single dose

[Joy Lucas]

Soroush, MY discussion has been about repetition of dose and I have queried
statements of Hahnemann which seem contradictory to the point worthy of
discussion. I still haven't had a clear response. I do not feel the need for
you to be preaching the absolute basics of potency (not to me anyway). And
are you now going to be instructing us as to what we can or cannot discuss??
I think your remedy is showing. How is the weather in your part of the
country!! Regards, Joy
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[Lisa Barrett]

Dave

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[Dr. Jeff Feinman]

Soroush-

Thanks for all of your informative posts. I certainly agree with the above
and use all of my remedies (both c and LM) in aqueous solution. I would
love to know what experiments (as mentioned in your post) have been done
and where to find the references.

Jeff
Dr. Jeff Feinman, CVH
Certified Veterinary Homeopath
Weston, CT, USA
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rather than solely the restorer of health, and shall be consulted
respecting the means of preventing rather than solely of curing disease..."

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[Piet Guijt]

Joy wrote:

MY discussion has been about repetition of dose and I have queried

Joy,

I think David answered this
Footnoot to Aph 246: ...The same carefully selected medicine may now be
given daily and for months, if necessary in this way

IF NECESSARY!

This is telling the same as Aph 245:
"Every perceptibly progressive and strikingly increasing amelioration in a
transient (acute) or persistent (chronic) disease, is a condition which, as
long as it lasts, completely precludes every repetition of the
administration of any medicine whatsoever, because all the good the medicine
taken continues to effect is new hastening towards its completion. Every new
dose of any medicine whatsoever, even of the one last administered, that has
hitherto shown itself to be salutary, would in this case disturb the work of
amelioration.

Hahnemann is telling us, it is possible to repeat every day 'if necessary'
(in contrast of the waiting for periods of forty, fifty or a hundred days),
but he is not telling this daily repeation is a 'must' for the LM's.

I hope this is a clear response

Kind regards, Piet

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Curtsey of Dr Shahrdar
From Organon Aph 272:

'Such a globule, placed dry upon the tongue, is one of the smallest doses for a moderate recent case of illness. Here but few nerves are touched by the medicine. A similar globule, crushed with some sugar of milk and dissolved in a good deal of water (#247) and stirred well before every administration will produce a far more powerful medicine for the use of several days. Every dose, no matter how minute, touches, on the contrary, many nerves'

At my college we were taught by Sheilagh Creasy about plussing remedies - especially during an acute.

Hope this is of use.
Rgds
Soroush

[Piet Guijt]

Dave wrote:

the meaning of "my calculation"

You just don't get it, do you?
For the last time: there is no medicine IN the fluid, the fluid BECOMES the
medicine, and this typical liquid dose is a LARGER AMOUNT of medicine, than
in one pillule "dry" dose.

You're contradicting yourself when you (correctly) answer to my question:
("Do you think the result is the same: take the drop or drinking the whole
cup?")
"to drink the whole cup, I'm reasonably certain you'd wish you hadn't!"

"> -it is because we are able to *MAINTAIN* the curative action of the
remedy

I would say 'totally exhausted', you can only repeat safely until the action
of the remedy decreased to a certain level. When you repeat earlier, you
will get a cumalative reaction, and this will lead to a to strong reaction.
We can maintain the level of reaction, but this will be no 'straight line'.

Kind regards, Piet

[Dr Ramachandra]

Dear Souroush
Hn says OK, one has to OR may accept because Hn says .But if it touches
many nerves ie 5nerves,50 nerves or 500nerves what difference it makes, as
it touches one VF only.As I always administer in subliguinal
region(underneeth tongue)and ask the patient to hold till it dissolves .,I
find qty has no relevance,1 pill as same effect as 10pills or 100 pills or
dissolved in water, at atime.(in C potency).I think this Aph272
is ok for LMs not for Cs
Yes Plus potency is different. By plussing ,every time potency changes and
dose becoms different doses

With Good Wishes

Ramachandra,
Hyderabad,INDIA

At 08:25 PM 3/8/02 -0000, you wrote:
for a moderate recent case of illness. Here but few nerves are touched by
the medicine. A similar globule, crushed with some sugar of milk and
dissolved in a good deal of water (#247) and stirred well before every
administration will produce a far more powerful medicine for the use of
several days. Every dose, no matter how minute, touches, on the contrary,
many nerves'
especially during an acute.
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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

100% in agreement

Soroush

[Piet Guijt]

Soroush wrote:

Ramachandra wrote:

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Yes, I agree with this one!
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or

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Do you 'think' or do know this by experience?

This a confusion that really exists.
It started with Kent.
Kent wrote in his 'Lesser writings': page 389 'It never matters whether the
remedy is given in large amounts of water or a few small pellets dry on the
tongue- the result is the same'
This based on Swendenbogian theory.

Kent saw the high potencies as 'small doses'. Read his commentary on Par 159
in his Lectures, and find out how he is confusing dose with potency!
It is the same for Roberts and Stuart Close etc.
Roberts: page 119 Pinciples & Art: 'We must not think that the infitesimal
dose (smallest dose PG) cannot produce symptoms; this is frequently found
in very susceptible patients. In fact, the best provings are obtained with
the high potencies'
So here he mixes the terms 'infitesimal dose' and 'high potencies'.
It is because high potencies look like high dilutions in their preparation.
That is where they went wrong in their thinking and many followed them
blindly.
If they were right it would'nt matter very much how many pills or drop the
patient takes, but they are wrong:
The amount of active medicine in a drop LM or C6 or 10M potency is exactly
the same.
Yes, there is only one VF but that has to react to the given amount of
medicine,
so the rules for LM and C are also the same. Conclusion: ' this Aph272 is ok
for
LMs AND for Cs'.

Kind regards, Piet

[David Little]

At 10:29 PM 3/11/2002 +0500, you wrote:

Dear Doctor,

Homoeopathy works on several levels and can be applied through several
delivery systems. The above is the view of James Kent who made no
experiments with the size of the dose. I also used this method for many
years until carefully running clinical trials with Hahnemann's liquid
posology system. The results of my experiments, and several other senior
Kentian homoeopaths, confirmed Hahnemann's assertions the medicinal
solution and the size of the dose are important in case management and make
a difference. The size of the dose can be directly linked to the phenomena
of aggravation, accessory symptoms, and antagonistic counter actions of the
vital force.

Hahnemann did not develop the medicinal solution and the adjustment of
the size of the dose for the LM potency. He developed the medicinal
solution first for the C potency beginning in 1828 in the first Chronic
Diseases, and warm against using too many pills. Even as early as the 4th
Organon (1829) he stated that the liquid dose had certain advantages over
the dry dose and the size of the dose is very important. By the 5th Organon
(1833) he was very clear about the advantages of giving the remedy in a
larger amount of water and the importance of the size of the dose. From
1837 (in the preface of the Chronic Diseases) onwards he was publicly
stating the disadvantages of the dry dose and the merits of the medicinal
solution as a better delivery system for homoeopathic remedies.

In the Paris casebooks we find that Hahnemann only used the medicinal
solution and olfaction during the Paris years (1835-1843) for the C
potencies. The Paris casebooks of 1840-1843 show Hahnemann using the C and
LM potency side by side in the clinic. If you carefully carry out some
experiments with the medicinal solution and the method of adjusting the
size of the dose you will certainly find that the size of the can make a
big difference whether using the C or LM potency. Study the Organon and
test all the methods of adjusting the dose side by side with the dry dose
for yourself over a period of months. That is the best way to find out the
truth.

Sincerely, David