single dose

[P J Nelapana]

Hi Feras
Very often while taking a case u feel very strongly about a remedy and after
repertorising the case it does turn out to be the right one in which case i
give a single dose of the remedy . whenever i dont have enough to go on , in
the form of pqrs or characteristic symtoms or if the case is of a
longstanding one and the original symptoms are masked then i prefer to fall
back on pathological criterias e.g swelling or inflammations, pain type,
sensitivity, radiations, modalities etc to prescribe.I dont follow any
particular style of prescribing as very often it is difficult to think like
somebody else, i always feel that we as homeopaths , like in every other
profession , are individuals ourselves, first and foremost, and our
individuality defines our treatment patterns , so it becomes difficult to
think like a shankaran or Dr vithoulkas. I see very vast differences in the
style, if u can call it that, of senior practioners, which means they are
also either doing what style it is that they r comfortable doing or else
they have adapted other methodologies very well. I feel a good understanding
of the M M is very important in homeopathic practice .
bfn
prakash

[Joy Lucas]

Soroush - how do LM's fit in with the single dose concept. Yes I know H.
used this and you don't need to tell me how to use them I know that. I just
want your thoughts on this.

Joy Lucas

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[Dave Hartley]

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[Dave Hartley]

Hi Joy,

Dunno if you are meaning "single" dose or "minimum dose" -?

"Single dose, watch and wait" are the key-phrase of dry dosing.

"Single TEST dose" then repeat as needed to "speed the cure" are the
key-phrase of Hahnemann's "advanced method" - the 5th & 6th Organon "liquid
posology"

The AMOUNT (gabe in German) of medicine in the single DRY dose is the same
as that in the "remedy bottle" used in liquid posology, and so- would meet
the exact same definition of "minimum dose" ...

(sorry for the blank post.)
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[Dave Hartley]

Unfortunately, it seems that many, many homeopaths are unfamiliar with
astounding advance in posology technique that Hahnemann wrote of since the
5th edition of the Organon.
In my opinion, it is even MORE important than his introduction of LM potency
in 6th edition of Organon (where he continues to develop importance of
liquid posology.)
These crown jewels of Hahnemann's genius, after decades of experience and
experimentation, should not be ignored simple because a homeopathy school's
curricula have not been updated since the 5th edition of the Organon was
released in 1833

Whether practicing Hahnemann's "advanced method" of liquid posology in
centessimal potency (C, M) scale or quinqua millesimus potency scale (LM),
the means are similar:

Administer a single test dose, then watch and wait (for a reasonable period
of time, depending on nature & severity of symptoms) for a remedy reaction.
If NO reaction, repeat only if quite certain of remedy.. and again, only
once as "test dose."

The purpose of the "test dose" is:

1. observe remedy action, so as to confirm correct remedy
2. observe symptoms affected, and order in which they are affected
3. establish "marker symptom" -a notable and easily discernable symptom by
which proper time to redose can be gauged (this must be one which the client
will easily note, as the client is instructed to redose on reappearance of
this symptom until next followup.)
Dave Hartley
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[Joy Lucas]

Hi Dave, I was really discussing repetition. I think it is difficult for
some to come to terms with the fact that some homeopaths use LM's with
instructions to repeat several times daily (as H. wrote) but this shouldn't
be the case with dry dosage. Why is this? As I understand it,
mathematically, LM1 is somewhere in between 5.50c and 7.00c, LM2 somewhere
around 8.00c etc. although it is not as clear cut as this.

Regards, Joy
From: "Dave Hartley"
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[Dave Hartley]

Hi Joy,

People do the strangest things

Actually, it's fine to repeat "as needed."

Using LM or C scales, "as needed" is the key phrase; in an acute, this could
be several times daily- in chronic treatment, repetition tends to be more
along the lines of a few days to a couple of weeks. (as needed.)

Routinism, anywhere we see it in homeopathy, is likely to be straying from
Hahnemann's teaching... if you read Hahnemann on LM in liquid posology, what
will be apparent is that he still insists on "minimum dose" -and values the
use of liquid posology to "speed the cure, in one-half or even one-quarter
of the time" which might be needed for dry dose.

Remeber that there are two important steps in making a homeopathic potency.
Dilution AND succussion.

There is no way to mathmatically (or even much of a way to allegorically)
compare LM potency scale to C scale. No doubt you've used the decimal (X)
potencies on occasion- I doubt that you'd reasonably equate a 10X to a 1C.

The different potency scales have altogether different harmonics, which we
might postulate would be due more to the step-wise combined effect of
dilution and even moreso succussion than to the simple mathematical dilution
equivalent (after all, "Mathematically" 1/100 of nothing is still nothing,
and potencies beyond 6c have that mathematically in common.)

There is no way to meaningfully equate C & LM scales mathematically
(someday, when there is a way to measure the energy of the
otencies..) -the only somewhat meaningful way is experientially, by
clinical observation...

-Where it becomes apparent that LM 1 action may be analogized as a bit like
30c, but possibly a little broader.

From your question, it looks like you're possibly remarking upon the fact
that many people have somewhat confused LM potency scale & liquid posology.

Liquid posology can be used with any potency scale (and SHOULD BE -it is
altogether reasonable and effective to use 30c or 200c in liquid posology,
repeating "as needed" -which in an acute could easily be several times per
day. Works great.

I keep trying to point out the fact (repetition as needed? that liquid
posology PRE-Dates LM potency scale. Fifth edition of Organon introduces
liquid posology, Sixth edition introduces LM potency scale.

It might be good for homeopathic colleges to become familiar with and to
incorporate into curriculum a differential reading of Organon editions- at
least 4th, 5th, & 6th.
regards,
Dave Hartley
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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

There is no point in comparing LMs and C potencies mathematically.

LMs can be repeated in an acute several times a day if needed. As can
plussed C potencies.

However, in chronic treatment, the less stimulation the better. The remedy
need only be repeated (whether in acute or chronic) when its action has ran
its course.

[Do not turn the starter key while the engine is still running.]

Soroush

[Piet Guijt]

Joy wrote:
As I understand it,

Hello Joy,

C and LM are totally different in character.
With the C the accent is on the potentation steps and less on the
successions.
LM: more accent on the more powerfull succesion and less on the potentation
steps.
C and LM are dynamicly developed along different axes.
Result: intensity of LM can be compared with a low C potency but they are
highly dynamic developed like a high C potency.

High C potencies are more intense, because of the many involved potentation
steps.
Treatment with LM can be compared in character with 'chronic disease'; slow
and gradual action.
C potencies can be compared in character with 'acute disease': sudden and
intense in action.
This gives the possibiltity to tune the remedy in similarity also by means
of the potency scale.
When you have an intense remedy picture (even in chronic treatment) it is
best to give a high C ones.
In a weak, slow, not intense picture it is best to start with the lowest LM
and gradual work up, when you're not progressing anymore with those relative
low potencies (they go to LM30 sometimes higher) you can proceed with C200,
1M etc.

Kind regards, Piet

[Joy Lucas]

Hi Dave

for me the crucial issue is as you write "repeat as needed". This is
repetition when the Rx (regardless of potency, dry or liquid) is efficient,
seen to be working but has exhausted its work and therefore needs to be
repeated until it is no longer needed, i.e. a cure has been reached, or
another potency (or remedy) is required. A lot of homeopaths repeat the
remedy (say BD or TDS daily or in LM state several times daily)
until....????

Scenario:- elderly person, asthmatic with heart complications, taking many
allopathic drugs, is very used to the idea of taking lots of drugs/tablets,
the picture is clearly Arsenicum. It would be interesting to hear from
others how they would go about this. I am not debating the remedy choice
just potency and dose.

Best wishes, Joy Lucas
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