cell salts bottle

pb000014 · Post by **pb000014** » Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:35 pm

Hi Irene,
To be palliation it would have to oppose, be opposite. Then it's not homeopathic (similar). The fact that a dynamized remedy does not make it homeopathic, but you know that.

The warning about Ars alb in high potency is that you may give it as simillimum, ie matching characteristic symptoms, but the ars alb patient is in a very depleted weak state. Your remedy is simillimum, but as I have explained in other posts, it works by creating a medicinal disease on the vital force, which is indistinguishable from the natural disease, except that it is far stronger, so causes an aggravation of symptoms. The patient cannot survive further depletion of the vital force and dies. So you cure the patient (of the disease) but their recuperation cannot take place. The period when the remedy has expired and the vital force is now freed to be under the control of the indwelling spirit, to do homeostasis, cannot occur and the patient dies, if not already in the period of aggravation.

This is true for any remedy under similar circumstances. The reason we get away overdoing high potencies or even lower potencies is that in those instances the patient has enough vitality (vital force) to endure the journey. They don't get there quicker but they are able to live again after and during treatment.

The warning for ars alb doesn't mention relief of pain (symptoms), but rather aggravation. Perhaps your experience with cats is different. But the references in the literature suggest otherwise. Can't remember offhand if it was Kent.

Of course in patients near the end, you could give relief by prescribing a potentized remedy based on local symptoms. And they may be based on local characteristics and be similar. This can give relief, but is not designed to treat the disease curatively, although sometimes the inner disease may abate of it's own, into remission, and the remedy has helped ease their pain, perhaps even conserve the vital force if there have been symptoms which are depleting, but there is no cure, Just a respite. The only relationship to palliation is that relief was obtained, but not by opposites, only by local similarity. Then the psora has gone from acute to latent (dormant). Even combo's could do this, but not to heal and not by opposing. Psora remains until eventually the patient cannot take further manifestations and dies.
Regards,
Paul
Sent from Samsung Mobile

Roger B · Post by **Roger B** » Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:52 pm

I wouldn't be too quick to brag about homeopathy's success rate if I were you. First, you are comparing homeopathy to con med, which in my mind is a big, fat failure with regard to any and all chronic ailments. Second, it can happen that homeopathy patients will run out of money before they get a healing. This happened to my sister-in-law, who is so very dear to me that I wish that she was my biological sister.

Homeopaths should spend more time and energy figuring out how to improve their capacity to find the right remedy and less time trying to define homeopathy and it's boundaries. I would support the use of computers. I have used abchomeopathy.com several times, and it seems to me that there is a whole lot of things that are being said several different ways. A serious simplification could greatly improve the power of the computer for homeopathy.

There may be other things would improve the success rate. I fear that some homeopaths are not all that crazy about the idea of using a computer or improving their success rate of all homeopaths (except themselves of course) because it is in their financial interests for homeopathy to stay in the 1800's.
Roger Bird
________________________________

To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 00:18:30 -0500
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: cell salts bottle
If homeopaths had the same "success rate", we wouldn't be on Minutus right now!
________________________________

To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:10:33 +1200
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: cell salts bottle

What is there to boast about??????

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
________________________________
________________________________
________________________________

Roger B · Post by **Roger B** » Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:52 pm

Again I find myself agreeing with Irene.

Roger Bird
________________________________

To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 01:36:28 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: cell salts bottle
They are usable as homeoprophylaxis - to prevent illness, and they work fanbtastically well for that purpose.
So do other homeopathic remedies work for that purpose.
You seem to have forgotten abot prophylaxis as usual

For cell salts, the prophylaxis method handed down through generatios of homepaths is this:
Have ONE of the cell salts on the dining room table at all times, a different one every week, rotating all twelve devised, studied and documentd by Schuessler, in 6X. (no others)

Every night each member of family takes ONE cell salt tablet form th ose on the dinner table.
The result is clear in the families that do this - the family stays healthy and disease resistant.
There are ALSO documented uses of the cel salts, to cure problems, based on homepathicity to the issues.
That is not true.
You also know it is homeopathic if it has proved to keep the person well prophylactically.
Cell salts are well sudied to do both.
......though perhaps not by your good self

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Sheri Nakken · Post by **Sheri Nakken** » Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:00 pm

shall we have a vote?
Sheri

At 03:49 PM 8/19/2015, you wrote:
________________________________
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases

Sheri Nakken · Post by **Sheri Nakken** » Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:02 pm

Not sure why we think we don't use computers? There are many programs and most of us use them (or use the rep, mm and charts easily)

But it is more than putting symptoms in a computer for chronic conditions. You have to use your brain to figure out what are the key symptoms, not just put them all in a computer.

I doubt you know very many homeopaths or those of us here deeply enough to know what we think.
Sheri
________________________________

________________________________
________________________________
________________________________
________________________________
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases

Sheri Nakken · Post by **Sheri Nakken** » Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:43 pm

I don't agree with some of this, that you wrote, Paul

Symptoms are actually working to heal but because of other factors in the body/VF, they aren't accomplishing it and that is why a remedy is needed to help those symptoms to be effective, to heal.

Yes there things that are acute manifestations of latent disturbances, but that is different than true acutes

You are saying it is one or the other and I'm saying there is a middle view.

And with homeopathy we are NOT opposing anything - that is allopathy
We are assisting the symptoms to be effective to do their job - dissipate the disturbance

Symptoms are a sign of attempts to heal by the VF and not always effective due to underlying miasms and maintaining causes

And once the remedy is working you don't repeat it, in acutes, unless go backward again, or find new remedy if symptoms change
With chronic treatment and water potencies (5th and 6th edition), you come up with a frequency based on the VF response or non response or backtracking - very different than with acutes

And yes we use the simillimum in minor acutes in the lowest potency needed and repetition only based on going backwards
With chronic cases, it is a different story - but still minimum dose, potency and frequency

Sheri

At 08:33 AM 8/19/2015, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases

Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD · Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:52 pm

Yes, I tried before resorting to the cortisone.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz
________________________________
________________________________
________________________________

Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:48 am

Thanks Ginny,

I am pulling together more thoughts, but I'm specifically interested in your response about how to deal with a fever, the sensations of heat and cold that commonly come along with it. Do you feel that e.g. taking blankets off and on, in order to help the person feel more comfortable, is suppressive? (It certainly isn't curative, yet it does help the person feel better, and gives the body some minor temporary assistance -- which I would have called palliative. Or would you say it's not relevant to use any of those terms for the situation.)

Shannon

Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:51 am

Here's the way I think about it, curious how it sits with you.

For instance, when the body is fighting off an illness (or healing an injury, or any sort of situation) -- specific kinds of healing, or specific kinds of activity in general, make particular specific demands on the body (and its nutrition, environment, etc.).

E.g., the immune processes involved in eliminating and defending against pathogenic bacteria require specific nutrients, e.g. Vitamin C, zinc, B vitamins, and others. That is a simple fact; the need for certain nutrients goes up during times of "stress".

So when the needs goes up, but the intake doesn't, then we feel discomfort.

When those needed nutrients are given in greater supply, healing is speeded up, and the person feels less discomfort. And also it reduces symptoms, because these nutrients support the body's healing processes.

Do you feel that's suppressive because it reduces symptoms, or curative because it leads to faster cure?

Shannon

Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:54 am

"Cure" is one of those small and slippery words, does not mean the same thing, each time (or by each person) that it's used. Certainly that doctor has had patients "cured" by the conventional meanings, of acutes and even according to e.g. the "five-year survival" criterion in a cancer case.

So I would be interested to know exactly what *he* means, by this single case of "cure"? What was cured, in that single patient?
________________________________
________________________________
________________________________