I see them as the ways to heal. They are what the VF uses to dissipate the disturbance. If they kind of get 'stuck' then homeopathy helps them to be effective and do their job dissipating. That's how I see it. Yes they are also due to the disordered state but they are working to heal (as well as give you clues as to the remedy needed, if one needed)
Sheri
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Here is a case where properly applied suppression led to cure.
Nurse in her fifties, presents with an eruption on the whole body except the face, palms and soles, red, elevated, dry, not scaly, ferociously itching with burst of fiery prickles that makes her jump. No real diagnosis, no cause found, does not make any sense.
It has been going on for weeks, she cannot sleep, cannot concentrate yet goes to work and drives her car, how did she not get involved into a crash is the closest thing I have seen to a miracle.
Indicated remedies do not work at all.
She is almost suicidal.
Gave her cortisone, yes the real stuff: 20 mg first day, 10mg next, 5 mg third day, then stop.
Itching stopped a few hours after the 20 mg, she finally could sleep, rest and recuperate....then the remedies were repeated and this time worked well to cure....still no idea what caused the eruption.
What is the logic here?
1. homeopathy work a lot better when the patient is still alive and has not jumped from a tall building
2. she was totally energy depleted, so no wonder energetic treatments did not work
3. her adrenals were totally depleted by the body's attempts to control the inflammation; they needed to shut down for a few days to repair themselves, while getting her immediate anti-inflammatory action
Palliation, suppression, drainage, detoxification, herbs, allopathy, drugs are all correct tools when you know how to use them properly and with logic.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
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Nurse in her fifties, presents with an eruption on the whole body except the face, palms and soles, red, elevated, dry, not scaly, ferociously itching with burst of fiery prickles that makes her jump. No real diagnosis, no cause found, does not make any sense.
It has been going on for weeks, she cannot sleep, cannot concentrate yet goes to work and drives her car, how did she not get involved into a crash is the closest thing I have seen to a miracle.
Indicated remedies do not work at all.
She is almost suicidal.
Gave her cortisone, yes the real stuff: 20 mg first day, 10mg next, 5 mg third day, then stop.
Itching stopped a few hours after the 20 mg, she finally could sleep, rest and recuperate....then the remedies were repeated and this time worked well to cure....still no idea what caused the eruption.
What is the logic here?
1. homeopathy work a lot better when the patient is still alive and has not jumped from a tall building
2. she was totally energy depleted, so no wonder energetic treatments did not work
3. her adrenals were totally depleted by the body's attempts to control the inflammation; they needed to shut down for a few days to repair themselves, while getting her immediate anti-inflammatory action
Palliation, suppression, drainage, detoxification, herbs, allopathy, drugs are all correct tools when you know how to use them properly and with logic.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
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Joe - With so few words you have really spoke volumes here - thks
bob
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.....no dilution in what I write..... 
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Joe.
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....Joe.
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Something I would like to share about allopathic cures. A famous doctor in San Francisco area boasts of only ONE cured patient in over 30 years of practice! I know this is a true statement because his son told me this.
Paulette
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Allopathy suppresses or palliates. Very rare for any true cure.....................show me an example of allopathic cure.
Sheri
At 08:00 AM 8/18/2015, you wrote:
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:35:28 +0100
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: cell salts bottle
Allopathy suppresses or palliates. Very rare for any true cure.....................show me an example of allopathic cure.
Sheri
At 08:00 AM 8/18/2015, you wrote:
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Re: cell salts bottle
What is there to boast about??????
Joe.
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If homeopaths had the same "success rate", we wouldn't be on Minutus right now!
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What is there to boast about??????
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: cell salts bottle
What is there to boast about??????
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
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Re: cell salts bottle
Hi Joe,
You say "the remedies were repeated and then worked well".
Had she been on remedies before the eruption?
Regards,
Paul
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You say "the remedies were repeated and then worked well".
Had she been on remedies before the eruption?
Regards,
Paul
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Hi Sheri,
OK. Lets follow this logically. A patient starts with diarrhoea. Slight loose stool every few hours. By the end of the day it's profuse diarrhoea hourly. Next day she is hospitalized with dehydration.
The VF has increased its activity. Yes it's 'got rid' of some bacteria or virus, but the disease has got worse with increased symptoms, not better. The VF has tried to save the body but unless the disease dies off by itself, (or simillimum is given) the disease rages on.
We get confused with true acutes which can be self limiting, vs what hahnemann called 'acute manifestations of latent psora' which is an inner disease state. The allopaths didn't get it and mistook the symptoms of true acutes as the way to treat inner disease.
True acutes are disturbances from outside stressors that are well within the capability of the vital force to handle. Examples would be :
Adjustment of circulation if it is a cold day.
Sudden adrenaline surge as a car nearly hits you.
Or:
Eating food that is off, but in an individual whose constitution will be strong enough at the first line of defence, the gut. They vomit it up and the bacteria are not able to thrive. The person is not susceptible to the bacteria. The discomfort is self limiting and soon passes. Healing has taken place not because the vital force has expelled the bacteria, but because constitutionally the person was healthy to THAT stressor. The normal function of the vital force was enough to repel the invader.
In a susceptible person the bacteria finds an easy breeding ground, quickly establishes a hold and no amount of vomiting or diarrhoea can easily stop it.
You can't heal by increasing the vital force (ie symptoms). Only by opposing the dynamic inner disease with a dynamic simillimum, temporarily taking over control of the vital force, thus releasing the grip it has on the vital force, whereupon the inner disease cannot exist, do we reach a stage where the vital force is free from the inner disease. Now under control of the medicinal disease, the med disease fades (if we are using minimal dose) and the vital force comes under control of the indwelling spirit, and then (and only then can it repair damage caused) can healing be complete. At this stage the susceptibility (aph 31) is removed. Never by the action of the vital force alone.
Why this model of cure is important is because if a homeopath is taught that symptoms are signs of healing, then they quickly buy into the idea that the more you have especially external symptoms on a remedy, the more you are bringing the disease to the surface and curing, so repeat the dose.
If you follow hahnemann, you realize that you need to use the simillimum in as minimal way as possible with the least aggravation to free the vital force to performed it's ordained function of homeostasis.
I know which camp you fall in
Regards,
Paul
Regards,
Paul
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OK. Lets follow this logically. A patient starts with diarrhoea. Slight loose stool every few hours. By the end of the day it's profuse diarrhoea hourly. Next day she is hospitalized with dehydration.
The VF has increased its activity. Yes it's 'got rid' of some bacteria or virus, but the disease has got worse with increased symptoms, not better. The VF has tried to save the body but unless the disease dies off by itself, (or simillimum is given) the disease rages on.
We get confused with true acutes which can be self limiting, vs what hahnemann called 'acute manifestations of latent psora' which is an inner disease state. The allopaths didn't get it and mistook the symptoms of true acutes as the way to treat inner disease.
True acutes are disturbances from outside stressors that are well within the capability of the vital force to handle. Examples would be :
Adjustment of circulation if it is a cold day.
Sudden adrenaline surge as a car nearly hits you.
Or:
Eating food that is off, but in an individual whose constitution will be strong enough at the first line of defence, the gut. They vomit it up and the bacteria are not able to thrive. The person is not susceptible to the bacteria. The discomfort is self limiting and soon passes. Healing has taken place not because the vital force has expelled the bacteria, but because constitutionally the person was healthy to THAT stressor. The normal function of the vital force was enough to repel the invader.
In a susceptible person the bacteria finds an easy breeding ground, quickly establishes a hold and no amount of vomiting or diarrhoea can easily stop it.
You can't heal by increasing the vital force (ie symptoms). Only by opposing the dynamic inner disease with a dynamic simillimum, temporarily taking over control of the vital force, thus releasing the grip it has on the vital force, whereupon the inner disease cannot exist, do we reach a stage where the vital force is free from the inner disease. Now under control of the medicinal disease, the med disease fades (if we are using minimal dose) and the vital force comes under control of the indwelling spirit, and then (and only then can it repair damage caused) can healing be complete. At this stage the susceptibility (aph 31) is removed. Never by the action of the vital force alone.
Why this model of cure is important is because if a homeopath is taught that symptoms are signs of healing, then they quickly buy into the idea that the more you have especially external symptoms on a remedy, the more you are bringing the disease to the surface and curing, so repeat the dose.
If you follow hahnemann, you realize that you need to use the simillimum in as minimal way as possible with the least aggravation to free the vital force to performed it's ordained function of homeostasis.
I know which camp you fall in
Regards,
Paul
Regards,
Paul
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