Are religion and violence two sides of the same coin?

[Irene de Villiers]

Not to my knowledge:-)
The closest I have seen is from a cat with a great sense of humor.
He sat on top of a door (quite a feat as he was slim and fit but large - weighed 18lbs) and when someone walked through he'd gently reach down a paw and brush their hair, then sit back up looking innocent.
People tend not to look up, and another perpetrator was usually assumed.
...Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Hennie Duits]

I do not agree we are basically violent. Violence can/should be used as
a tool, and some, or maybe (too) many, do not know how to use it properly.

'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD' jroz@ihug.co.nz [minutus] schreef op 27-11-2014
om 3:10:

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

I always had my suspicions that you were a mutant ..........

I am talking about basic instincts, not violence as an intelligent tool
used in self-defence for example.

Or maybe I should write in terms of being non-aggressive as opposed to
non-violence.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Hennie Duits]

Thank you

I'd say there is (read: 'we' should be aware there is) a vast difference
between aggression and violence. Maybe we could agree on that.

If you feel 'violence' (or aggression, for that matter) is a basic
instinct, we might need to talk some more.

Hennie

'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD' jroz@ihug.co.nz [minutus] schreef op 30-11-2014
om 23:38:

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

There are very few people, if any, that cannot be provoked into violent
action or reaction....but some can control it to the point it appears
non-existent; that is why I call violence a basic instinct.

Aggression, to me, is a behaviour, mostly learned that can, but does not
have to, be expressed in violence (verbal or physical).

There are patients who are behaving like doormats; they often justify
this as being "non-violent"; it does not take me very long to make them
feel like wanting to punch something (not me, they would not dare!), ask
them how it felt and proceed with treatment from there.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Hennie Duits]

Read below.

'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD' jroz@ihug.co.nz [minutus] schreef op 1-12-2014
om 0:44:

I'd say that if you put enough effort to it (provoke), many folks could
be brought to a point where, to them, suicide seems the best option. But
that doesn't mean suicide is a basic human insinct. Violence comes in if
you've run out of options (that you can think of).
A game of chess could be called aggressive, or violent, etc. As a rule,
such a game doesn't get decided (yet) by who brings in the most body
builder types, or most weapons like kalashnikovs etc. I like to play
Risk (board game), and talk other players into doing or not doing
killing or suicide missons ;-0
I'd say there are various stages between 'doormat' and 'punching' (and
as a rule, punching isn't equal to violence or aggression).

[Hennie Duits]

By the way, what did I say to be uncovered as a mutant, because I need
to fix that..

'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD' jroz@ihug.co.nz [minutus] schreef op 30-11-2014
om 23:38:

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

So what are you trying to say?

That we are all nice and mellow and cute and loving and .....??

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

That we, regular humans, are not basically violent as an
instinct............

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Shannon Nelson]

I keep thinking of the (many) programs and people who have taking kids off the streets and out of gangs, but simply giving them something better: love and acceptance, for themselves.

Surely violence results from pain and from lack, and in that case, can't we heal violence by healing the pains and filling the lacks?

Maybe I'm being naive…
Shannon