Are religion and violence two sides of the same coin?

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

I would say it is a control method but not a channelling one....."thou shall not, otherwise you will get punished" but there is no alternative "instead you could do this or that"

And with any control method there is a always a point where too much pressure gives rise to an explosion.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

I do not know much about it, but wasn't that the purpose of the Peace Corps? get out and away and help others, build something........

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Leilanae]

Hi Dr. Roz,

I would say it is a control method but not a channelling one....."thou shall not, otherwise you will get punished"

I used the religious "thou shall not's" as it tied into the original article
and seems to be historic "directions" to rise above certain
behaviors and get along with others. (Don't lie, steal or party with your
neighbors husband/wife, etc.) And yes, if you "break the rules, there be
consequences.

but there is no alternative "instead you could do this or that"

Agree, I like choices too. Sometimes even choices are governed
by rules/cause and effect.

And with any control method there is a always a point where too much pressure gives rise to an explosion.

Totally agree!

Atb,

Leilanae

[John R. Benneth]

You certainly let a lot of other stuff fly here that isn't related to politics, Soroush, and I for one want to thank Fran for posting one the most thoughtful essays I can remember reading that does indeed, albeit cryptically, mention homeopathy, and should inspire reIevanc: Homeopathy is the whipping boy of the religion of medicine, its scapegoat . .
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[Irene de Villiers]

Men more than women.
I do not believe (as a generalization) that women seek violent activites, men do.
Far more boys than girls play violent video games and far more men than women comit violemt crimes or *instigate* war activites.
...a function of testosterone levels which create competitive and/or territorial violence?
I agree with this principle.
....Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

What TO do is always more powerful than what not to do.
Cats teach us this. Cats will do what is in their interests to do. If you present what TO do, and a treat, they will ALWAYS do it.
A relevant problem is perhaps domestication.
When man was domesticated (as in hunting in the supermarket aisle rather than using up competititve and violent energy hunting down a meal), he failed to adapt and find a way to re-channel those hunting energies that would be normal for our design as humans.
Cats seem to have done it better. They too are domesticated and no longer hunt, but they have not resorted to violence as a result. What is their secret?

Human domestication is quite recent, my dad and grandparents still hunted for food, at least on some days of the week. But they had one other overwhelming principle to live by -
Everyone mattered. If someone needed help, everyone else rallied.
That to me is the number one "DO THIS" command.
It is mostly missing from our "society" today. Yet cats follow that rule in domestication. Two of mine have alerted me to heart attacks. Yesterday Gyda reminded me I forgot to take potassium (my heart quits without it). A cat in UK caught her first ever prey at age 16, in order to present it to her friend, a very old and dying dog, to try to help him. I could write reams of examples. The point is that this positive social behavior is normal for cats after domestication. Yet they retain their individuality as well, and do their own thing. A perfect combination?

Mark Twain said:
"If man were crossed with a cat, it would improve man but deteriorate the cat."

We should be ashamed; we have such excellent examples of how to do better!
My "thou shalt not" would be greed.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Roger B]

No, I did not read the article.

Your very first paragraph of your synopsis I highly disagree with. I see no relationship with primitive religions and the current major religions of mankind: Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, etc. The former are man's efforts to make sense of their world, and the later is God's helping hand for mankind. If there is any overlap, it is due to human imperfection. The author's attempt to simplify the subject is really a failure to see the Divine in the World's various Great Religions and the pathetic human attempt to make sense of life in the primitive religions.

I am getting this from what you said; admittedly not from the article.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 07:38:04 +1100
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Are religion and violence two sides of the same coin?

Dear Roger and Soroush,

Did either of you read the article?

It was not about religions but the human need from the earliest of time to find a scape-goat or sacrifice as a way to relieve tension and anger within a community.

The article then went on to discuss how, with our increasing sophistication, we now try not to scapegoat but understand the other's point of view - but rather than this reducing violence, this empathy seems to suppress and then escalate it as there is no longer a vent.

The homeopathy comment within the article was in relation to how societies, by a small bit of violence driven by a 'them and us' mentality, are able to relieve the greater violence that otherwise breaks out if scapegoating is understood and done away with.

I know it is uncomfortable to consider that this may be true so censor if you must. In doing so there is the intriguing implication of that you are placing yourself into the scapegoating camp. Fascinating.

Fran.
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[Roger B]

I agree.

Roger Bird

[Leilanae]

Hi Irene,

Do cats engage in scapegoating?

Atb,

Leilanae

[Irene de Villiers]

Not to my knowledge:-)
The closest I have seen is from a cat with a great sense of humor.
He sat on top of a door (quite a feat as he was slim and fit but large - weighed 18lbs) and when someone walked through he'd gently reach down a paw and brush their hair, then sit back up looking innocent.
People tend not to look up, and another perpetrator was usually assumed.
...Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."