the compromise. I probably should have elaborated and said this was for
population counting to assign the number of seats for a given State in Congress.
t
From: Roger B
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 6:16 PM
To: mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: Additives in food
Just to clear up this: "Blacks were counted at 3/5 of a person for state representation in Congress."
The southern states wanted to count blacks as 1 whole person so as to increase the states representation in Congress. But, of course, the blacks were still slaves with no votes in their own states. And the North wanted to count blacks slaves at 0 persons because they reasoned that if the South wanted to treat them as non-persons then they should be counted as non-persons.
Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: tamarque@earthlink.net
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 17:56:50 -0400
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Additives in food
I agree with most of what you say here. My disagreement concerns your
perception of the founding fathers wanting a free and healthy country.
Remember those people were the 1% of their time. Thomas Jefferson
was a slave owner and never even freed Sally Hemmings, his African-American
common law wife. Others of those people were even worse. They made no
pretense about equality for everyone. Women had not voting rights. Blacks
were counted at 3/5 of a person for state representation in Congress. Not only
did they not have the right to vote, but they were not seen as complete human
beings.
And therein lies a problem with GMO. Today’s 1% and their cohorts still believe
that the public has no value other than what profits they can provide the 1%.
We, the people, are only an economic frontier for the superwealthy. We, the
people, will want healthy food and freedom to chose our healing protocols. The
1% think we are a joke. The FDA has stated that the people do not have right
to know what is in their food or to chose what they will eat.
In by gone centuries laws were passed to control the public and keep it divided.
Today laws are passed against the public interest and mass media is used to keep
the people divided and fighting each other over issues that have no bearing on
their survival or happiness.
t
From: vicki h
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 5:24 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Additives in food
HAHAHAHAHA
thanks for the belly laugh
it is just hard to believe even enlightened people on this board have fallen for the lies from the all powerful. the majority here read and research and think for themselves which is why i enjoy reading the discussions. it brings new perspectives and awareness that the media doesn't want us to know.
but i do have to feel sorry for the farmers that are trapped in the GMO prison, now most of them are owned by the monsantos and bayer. et al
their soil is dead, they cant grow anything else due to the GMO and round-up contamination with out years of cultivation of the soil back to health. i realize a lot of them would change over if they thought they could survive the years required to invest. that is where demand for these crops have got to drop. so, the more countries that ban the import the better but shouldn't the USA be concerned about our own lands, people and the ability of our country to survice in the future. wont any of these &^I%*%&^%*^$^%$^%$^% polititians think like the founding fathers determined to make a country that is the greatest in history where people are free and healthy?????? no its all about the almighty dollar and me me me.
sorry, this subject gets me going, please throw another slider my way.
laughter is good for the soul
vicki
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From: tamarque
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Additives in food
I have read this dialogue with interest. Vicki, your answers were great to Roger. This dialogue would make a great youtube on the issue organic and sustainable agriculture.
Roger, you would make a great straight man in the video.
tanay
From: Roger B
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 2:53 PM
To: mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: Additives in food
In reply to both of your posts:
I thought between posts that the word "productive" may mean to you more veggies per acre. But to the farmer trying to keep his head above water, "productive" means more money. I understand both viewpoints.
If we are to win, we much educate the public. The USA spends roughly 10% of it's GDP on food. Other industrialized countries spend 20%. The USA spends roughly 2 to 3 times more on so-called health care as do other industrialized countries. Sometimes I think that I live in a country of the friendliest, bravest, and STUPIDEST people in the world. Money does a good job at counting quantity. But it does a lousy job of counting quality. People have to understand that their hedonistic and health interests are to be found supporting real organic, sustainable, poly-culture farming.
Roger
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From: vickih_fla@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 11:27:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Additives in food
let me add one more thing to this reply, if you look at the increase in the organic marketplace as in sales volume you will see there is a definite shift away from the "dark" side. which is why the GMO industry is spending hundreds of millions trying to keep the GMO label form happening. once it gets on the label more will question it and hopefully educate themselves on it. and STOP buying it. this is truly the only way to stop it. other countries are refusing to import it leaving more for us in the USA to consume it. the government is in their pocket so our government has no interest on pushing for labeling. its people like me and others on this board who are trying to stop it but if people keep buying it there is not much we can do but educate on small scale and hope people will wake up.
vicki
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From: Roger B
To: "Homeopathy minutus@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: Additives in food
Vicki,
I am impressed. However, if it is all that you say that it is, and I do mean all, including the part about more productivity, then why aren't you and hundreds of other like minded people out there in the fields doing this and kicking the asses of the mono-culture farmers in the market place?
Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: vickih_fla@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:31:09 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Additives in food
that is NOT true. true sustainable organic farming has been proven over and over to out-produce any monocultured mega crops. not only do you get more volume but what you get is actually WAY more nutrient dense because you are working with nature. mono crops usually get only N. P and K fertilizer and the soil is basically dead. with sustainable organic practices you amend soil with natural materials. and it's not just having the right nutrients in the soil, its having the right life in the soil. the bacteria and other soil inhabitants is what breaks down the nutrients to make it available to the plants roots.
for example in California they have thousands of acres of almond trees which they have to ship in literally billions of bees to fertilize them for about three weeks in the spring. they have to dump a bunch of chemicals on these plants to keep them producing because you can not maintain a mono crop without adding massive amounts of what is not available to them in the soil. this year they had to bring in bees from even farther away because so many hives were lost last year in the states.
watch a video called food inc and start learning the right way to feed the masses. what the masses are eating now is not FOOD. its food like products that keep you sick, fat and nearly dead. although this is great news for the agro and phama industry, it does nothing for the health of the people or the planet.
speaking of food additives, did you know the ingredient "natural flavors" just means something added that taste like something natural???
vicki
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From: Roger B
To: "Homeopathy minutus@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: Additives in food
We could say the exact same thing for ALL agriculture. Why not apply that thinking to all agriculture, and then watch about 6 billion or more people starve to death. And you forgot to mention that as the profits go up, the costs go down for us people just trying to live healthy, happy lives. But, of course, we are all bourgeois and don't really count.
Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: vickih_fla@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 09:23:44 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Additives in food
the reason it is controversial is not because it is cutting into the other coconut products industry, its because the industry is exploding at such a high rate that thousands of acres of forests are being cut down in southern Asian countries. this is displacing natural wildlife habitat not to mention all the native vegetation/insects/micro-organisms/etc of which some is not know to modern man. herbal and other remedies could be lost just like what has happened in the amazon and any other place humans exploit the environment for profit.
prior to the massive explosion in coconut products most were gathered from naturally growing palms and a few cultivated farms. but this is of course very labor intensive and to get the price low, and profits high, monoculture crops are being planted in the place of highly diverse ecosystems.
vicki
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From: Roger B
To: "Homeopathy minutus@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:05 PM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: Additives in food
I have used coconut or palm suger. I think that it is great. I tried a bunch to see if I would get a reaction like the usual sleeplessness, irritability, etc. And I did not. On the Internet it said that the glycemic load or index was 6, but at that level, and given the fact that it is almost 100% carbs anyway, the question of whether the "6" was load or index does not matter.
They really make it from the nectar of the coconut or palm flower. To my way of thinking, that makes it a wonder food. Some people have said that it cuts into the coconut crop and thus keeps people from getting good coconut products like oil and milk. But I say that the market will adjust and more short tan skinned people (like my wife) will have jobs.
Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: lightspirals@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 14:38:23 +0000
Subject: [Minutus] Re: Additives in food
And there are so many additives/poisons to dodge these days we as practitioners need to educate.
Nice work on finding out about the sweeteners, Christine. I'm still amazed though at how many people do not know about this issue.
Good alternatives are organic stevia (don't suggest 'sweet leaf' brand or others with additives) and perhaps coconut sugar.
Best wishes,
Liz
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