LM important question

[Paul Booyse]

Hi All,
The idea with LM’s is to get a smooth transition from one dose to the next, gradually overcoming the inner disease state, rather than hammering at it with Centessimal’s and jumping one potency to the next.
If you make an LM, each stage gets 100 succussions. When a patient uses the dose, the dilution may vary, but on average if you give 100ml as a stock bottle and the patient succusses 5 times and then uses 5ml diluted in a glass (and then one measure as a dose), each dose-time will increase the stock bottle by 5 succussions. The bottle ends after 20 doses, and 100 succussions, which is where the next LM takes over. The next dose was prepared with dilution and 100 succussions, so it will be slightly stronger (from the dilution effect) than the previous dose. The transition is however minimal, so it’s a smooth trend.
Of course the succusions and size of stock bottle as well as number of doses before changing LM will vary based on various factors, but the idea is to get a more or less smooth increase in effect until the inner-disease state is overtaken and extinguished.
Over-succussion will possibly lead to a dose being too strong. Any dose that is stronger than the inner disease state will cause a (medicinal) aggravation. So an excessively strong dose might cause an excessive aggravation. A dose that is not succussed enough will be less likely to aggravate, but the dosage program will take longer to overcome and extinguish the disease state. The art is to judge form the patient response, what their sensitivity is and increase or decrease dose appropriately.
Regards,
Paul
From: tamarque
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:00 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] LM important question

Thanks for the clarification. I felt like I had walked into another world but
I must have missed a beginning post on this thread.
t
From: Shannon Nelson
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:53 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] LM important question

Not at all.
The question is whether e.g. 400 successions give a bigger boost vs. going up one level in the LM series.
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[Tanya Marquette]

thanks Paul-
I do understand; I just missed something at the beginning of the discussion and had a question about
what I read at the point that I jumped in
t
From: Paul Booyse
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:20 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] LM important question

Hi All,
The idea with LM’s is to get a smooth transition from one dose to the next, gradually overcoming the inner disease state, rather than hammering at it with Centessimal’s and jumping one potency to the next.
If you make an LM, each stage gets 100 succussions. When a patient uses the dose, the dilution may vary, but on average if you give 100ml as a stock bottle and the patient succusses 5 times and then uses 5ml diluted in a glass (and then one measure as a dose), each dose-time will increase the stock bottle by 5 succussions. The bottle ends after 20 doses, and 100 succussions, which is where the next LM takes over. The next dose was prepared with dilution and 100 succussions, so it will be slightly stronger (from the dilution effect) than the previous dose. The transition is however minimal, so it’s a smooth trend.
Of course the succusions and size of stock bottle as well as number of doses before changing LM will vary based on various factors, but the idea is to get a more or less smooth increase in effect until the inner-disease state is overtaken and extinguished.
Over-succussion will possibly lead to a dose being too strong. Any dose that is stronger than the inner disease state will cause a (medicinal) aggravation. So an excessively strong dose might cause an excessive aggravation. A dose that is not succussed enough will be less likely to aggravate, but the dosage program will take longer to overcome and extinguish the disease state. The art is to judge form the patient response, what their sensitivity is and increase or decrease dose appropriately.
Regards,
Paul
From: tamarque
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:00 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] LM important question

Thanks for the clarification. I felt like I had walked into another world but
I must have missed a beginning post on this thread.
t
From: Shannon Nelson
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:53 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] LM important question

Not at all.
The question is whether e.g. 400 successions give a bigger boost vs. going up one level in the LM series.
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[healthinfo6]

Maria,
Last year I figured let me save on good bottled spring water as I was throwing out the daily LM cup of 4oz of water with one teaspoon of LM stock remedy after each daily dose and instead made a 2 oz cup with 1/2 teaspoon of LM remedy stock. Mathematically it is the same ratio, 4oz / 1 tsp = 2oz / 0.5 tsp. I still took 1 tsp from the dilution cup. Voila, I'm saving on spring water!
Well, during that LM I began to have various aggravations, etc. which resolved when I went back to the good ol' Hahnemann standard 4 oz water with 1 tsp LM stock for each dilution cup.
So while the math was equal, it is surmised the quantum physics behind the LM action was not. While we don't know how Hahnemann arrived at using 4 oz of water, given he went from larger C potency size pillules to more difficult to work with tiny poppy size LM pillules, so why wouldn't he also minimalize the amount of water needed to prep it?
I can say following his instructions are most beneficial.
I use 6 oz bottles with 4 oz water to make each LM stock.. I find that size bottle easy to loosely hold and success and bang hard with plenty of room for the liquid to absorb each shock and move around during succession. Using a 4 oz bottle to make a 4 oz LM stock doesn't allow this.
So, just suggesting that deviating from Hahnemann's original instructions could lead to different results.
I've found making the LM stock bottle using 2 LM pillule grains were satisfactory, one pillule too weak.
As a first, I just prepared an LM7 TubK using 3 LM pillules as I felt I needed stronger.
Hahnemann states in Aph 248
"one or (though rarely) several pellets of a higher potency with which we continue so long as the patient experiences continued improvement without encountering one or another complaint that he never had before in his life"
I've been feeling much improvement from TubK LM that I wanted to try a 50% increase in potency. So far, have been feeling even better.from this anti-miasmatic intercurrent nosode which seems to be a current simillimum improving both diabetes symptoms and bipolar inherited chronic diseases. I'm finding 1 tsp with 6-8 succussions from the daily dilution cup works quite well, at least for now. More than 8 succussions lead to noticeable aggravations, less than 6 don't seem as effective. An occasional extra 1/2 tsp dose taken after 20 stirs spaced out about 12 hours from first dose also is seems helpful.
Whether I try 4 LM pillules with LM8 remains to be seen in a few weeks.
Susan

[Maria Bohle]

Hi Susan,

I do not think Hahnemann used those 6 ounce bottles, please read the Organon, 6th edition to see how he made up his stock bottles.

An 8 ounce bottle with 6 ounces of water in it and a 4 ounce dilution glass is David Little's protocal, Hahnemann did it a lot differently. David once told me the one ounce eyedropper bottle with the LM's worked a lot differently than the larger bottles, and I do agree. I often give out LMs in one ounce eyedropper bottles and have a patient take two or three drops straight from the bottle (yes, the same patients who take 1 tsp and put that into 4 or 6 ounces of water), some patients like that better. There are a lot of ways to dose with LMs, the purpose is to SMOOTHLY help the patient move as gently and as quickly as possible.

I only use that one ounce bottle for people who have not had problems with the larger dilution bottle and who seem to be able to take a larger dose of remedy without aggravating. All of this is part of the ART of homeopathy and the individual sensitivity of clients. For my clients 10 shakes, one tsp in 4 ounces and take one tsp would cause a lot of aggravations. The most I ususlly suggest with a new client might be 6 shakes.

Your homeopath should help you find a dose that is perfect for you.
Warmly, Maria
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[healthinfo6]

Hi Maria,
It's always good to reread David Little and of course Hahnemann. The more you do, the more you glean from them each time along with reinforcing my own experiences taking LM potencies.
David has his own tweaks and observations from his vast experience. For example he says use 1 rarely 2 LM pillules to make the LM stock bottle
while Hahnemann wrote "one or (though rarely) several" leaving more room for experimentation.
I've just increased the potency by using 3 LM pillules to make TubK LM7, I've never taken more than 1 teaspoon per dose
though now rereading David and per Hahnemann, one or more teaspoons per dose may sometimes be needed instead of taking extra doses during the day.
So I will try a larger dose next, 1.5 to 2 teaspoons and see how I do.
David Little provides excellent background on LM potency, dosing and the example case he shows here demonstrates how slight changes in dose size, dilution and succussion can make a large difference in response and success. I'm finding paying attention to all these details is helping me.
http://www.simillimum.com/education/lit ... icle06.php
I'll also start using 5 oz water in the 6 oz bottle with next LM8 since I want to stretch out each LM potency longer due to requiring continual dosing.
Hopefully the curative action continues while slowing a bit the progression to higher LM potencies where It may be possible to run out of availability past LM30 though you can make your own.
On reflection, it makes sense that I now feel a need for more/stronger TubK LM doses since the remedy works by creating an artificial disease state that the vital force confronts vs one's current natural disease.
Since I've been experiencing vastly increased diabetes progression and symptoms at middle age where it is most common, it's reasonable that larger/more potent remedy doses are needed to counteract and hopefully reverse that.
The artificial disease homeopathically created needs to be equal to and possibly exceed the current level of the natural disease to defeat it.
The science of the LM potency system provides the fine tuning technques to ensure this is possible.
The art of the LM potency system is learning how to fine tune and not aggravate current disease, diminish disease symptoms while continuing advancement toward cure.
Susan

[Maria Bohle]

Hello Rafy,

If you are really asking can you skip an LM potency, then the answer is yes,

it is not so much a matter of strength as a matter of what resonance energy works better for the patient.
Some patients can easily handle 10 shakes and 1 tsp doses, with 32 doses in the stock bottle, other patients cannot.

Warmly, Maria
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From: "Homeoathim"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 5:08:02 AM
Subject: [Minutus] LM important question
Hi,

Which potency is *practically* stronger:

LM /2 (a new globule )

Or

LM /1 in a bottle which had been used by a person for 30 doses, and before each dose was taken - the bottle was succussed 10 times= total of 300 succussions?

If the latter is stronger -- then after the LM /1 Should be taken LM /3 and not the LM /2 ...

TIA

Rafy