Coffee and homeopathy - experiments

[healthinfo6]

Shannon,
When you wake up and your fasting blood sugar is 300, you'll do what it takes to lower it.
Susan

[Shannon Nelson]

Ooooh, yes......
Do you notice a difference with coffee, or still waiting to see?

[healthinfo6]

Not immediately, thought to be more long term cumulative benefits.
Taking the LM daily sometimes lowers right away. A new simillimum I've been trying also helps at times.
The 2 allopathic drugs that lower it fast are the ones I've had most severe side effects, Actos and Victoza and can't take.
Strict Atkins Diet meal will lower within a few hours.
Aerobic rigorous exercise on a bike can lower 50-100.
Chinese herb mix sometimes helps while most herbs for blood sugar don't have immediate effect.
Detox kit works best as it has an effect on liver which reverse the dynamics and I can eat fruits and grains and avoid meats/sat fats
Susan

[Varun Gupta]

"Looking into aspect of coffee from other side, if an individual needs more Coffee, it should be taken as his symptom or trait, and must be used to find his layers, than directing him to stop its consumption. Coffea for having traits of master antidote, which we have already seen now, does pose serious implications for high consumption of coffee for sure, but even then higher consumption of coffee by any individual should be looked into as his symptom to cure him, so that he himself brings its consumption to lower levels than a forced pattern which he might not be in a position to carry out for his real needs of coffee as per his problems and stimulations.

Coffea for his master antidotal qualities do pose some extra care and consideration for coffee, but I don’t know from where suspicion of onions and other such materials, they affects action of homeopathic medicines come from. I myself have seen, in my own case, any such thing has no wrong effect on any homeopathic medicine. They, however, can have their own good and bad effects, as far as metabolism is concerned, based on whether they are actually required in body or not.

A poisonous substance is a real danger, coffee for master antidotal qualities of Coffea poses extra care, but why the fuss for other things."
An extract from 2011 version of my work on this issue...
Varun

http://eyevarun.blogspot.in

[jtikari]

My god, Susan...you do make it sound archaic "it is forbidden" ..to be believed without question. Thank the Lord he didn't say that about whisky.

[healthinfo6]

Actually by reading what Hahnemann wrote over and over, you glean more info that unfortunately is overlooked by many of the homeopaths of today.
His diet suggestions, while not all explained in detail, seem to work well.
Stop eating pork is one that I'm following, while his promoting beef and butter have always worked for me as an Atkins and D'Adamo type B blood dieter.
Having a degree in computer engineering, I can certainly appreciate and am interested in the mathematical and physics aspects of homeopathic potency, dilution and I''m sure there is explanation in there why I can take 2 different remedies in LM and 200C w/o antidoting while the same potency does antidote.
But having this technical info doesnt' bypass understanding the art of homeopathy which hasn't changed over 200 years, only of not being mastered by various homeopaths. To master it requires going back to the founder and the great homeopaths of those times.
Since this is supposed to be a mostly classical homeopathy group, we should be exploring and promoting rather than cirumventing and dismissing what Hahnemann wrote with the excuse that we've come a long way in 200 years, and instead try to better understand and decipher what he may have meant where it is unclear.
Hahnemann must of thought coffee to be a major issue as he wrote a whole treatise on it, The Effects Of Coffee in 1803. Interesting reading, he considers coffee the most "pernicious of dietary medicinal productions", a palliative and reason why many drink, to alleviate their ills besides a cure for certain chronic conditions and discusses while it's good for primary action in constipation initially, it then causes secondary negative problems the more it is consumed.
http://books.google.com/books?id=HskOAo ... &q&f=false
As has been demonstrated many times, those who question, discredit and disparage Hahnemann have been proven wrong while continuing to build and experiment on his ideas can be beneficial.
Quantum physics can further explain what happens but it doesn't go against the laws of physics.
Hahnemann IS the law!
Susan

[geo]

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From: healthyinfo6@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:59 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Coffee and homeopathy - experiments
Suzan: Other than remedies that coffea is listed as an antidote, what you're
asking is similar to what quackbusters/allopaths ask, "prove" homeopathy
works. That type of experiment can only be done with acutes because that
"should" be reproducible. Like Arnica helps muscle pains/strains,
Oscillococcinum for flu, hypericum for nerve pain, calendula for bruises,
etc. while being asked to prove a remedy cures Parkinson's is not possible.

geo: Yes. Good point.

Suzan: Coffee antidoting likely is highly individualistic. is the remedy
being tested an acute, constitutional, miasmatic for this person? Is it
deep acting, palliative, an acute, etc?
Also, if the person is a coffee "addict" that might pose other issues than
someone like myself who is not and usually not craving it.

I think most of us agree, for a patient new to homeopathy, basic
recommendations like initially avoiding coffee, mint toothpase, strong
perfumes, etc. as Hahnemann wrote is good to strive for just so you can
ensure accurate reporting and once you see remedy in action, then allowing
them to drink coffee and see what happens would be OK.

geo: I am far from having a "definitive" opinion about coffee. It seems to
be the cause of some concern. I am also aware of the fact that some of us -
including myself - would prefer to choose sides and say "OK, some coffee
would not harm" - because I love a morning black sweet coffee. I love to sit
with a friend and have a afternoon chat over an espresso. But I don't want
to fool myself and avoid looking into the matter with a truly unbiased mind.
Maybe coffee is really bad...perhaps it severly interferes with
homeopathy... but I am addicted to it.
I could go as afar as admitting that too much fuss about coffee may drive
many patients away, and decide to relax about it - but that does not mean
that because I want to keep my patients I am more inclined to believe coffee
is harmless. Do you understand? No lying to myself.

[jtikari]

repeated

[Lynn Cremona]

Homeopathy individualizes
the patient's sensitivity, vitality and susceptibility must be considered.

If we don't have a highly sensitive person in front of us, the "simillimum" will work even when they
drink coffee, rub on a camphor or tea tree oil lineament or any other of the things that could cause
the remedy to be antidoted. If we have someone who is very sick (low vitality), or someone who is highly sensitive,
then the likelihood of the remedy being counteracted, or neutralized by another substance possible.

If the homeopath is sure of having given the correct remedy in the correct potency (the simillimum),
and the patient is using a substance that is suspected of being an antidote, then the offending substance needs to be discontinued
long enough to give the remedy an honest chance to act without interference.

When reading Hahnemann's
Materia Medica Pura , you will often find Hahnemann saying such and such a remedy
"may" be antidoted, or "some" of the morbid effects of the remedy "may" be antidoted.

Lynn
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