Coffee and homeopathy - experiments

[geo]

Maybe that is the way with you.
The problem is that coffee DOES have a disturbing/neutralizing effect on
some people.
This effect must be tested and confirmed with a double blind experiment -
just like we test and experiment and confirm
the rubrics in the materia medica. Personal evaluations, personal opinions
may be subjective and lack the statistical components.
To say that coffee did not antidote such and such remedy in me or a friend
of mine could be entirely subjective.
-geo-
I drink coffee including the strong Illy espresso brand all the time and
don't antidote my remedies which are antipsoric, antimiasmatic and a new
simillimum in LM and 200C. I even drink coffee sometimes right after
taking a daily LM. The only way I've been able to antidote a remedy is by
taking another remedy in the same potency.

Susan

[healthinfo6]

All that is unnecessary since if you're truly classical and follow Hahnemann, coffee is forbidden.
Susan

[geo]

This is exactly what I mean. You are expressing a subjective point of view.
Coffee may or may not
interfere with homeopathic remedies NOT because one follows Han. or Kent or
Goofy. That would be
based in ideas, assumptions. It does or it does not.

I think we are dealing with the coffee issue in two different ways. What I
mean is:
-- if Caffeine or Coffea Cruda appear as "antidotes" for some specific
remedy in those last pages of most repertories, then to drink coffee
while taking those specific remedies is a case of ignorance (on the specific
matter) or inability to stop addiction. Coffee most likely
will affect treatment. Period.

--The question is, though, a bit different: does coffee affects homeopathic
treatment generally, or does it antidotes remedies to which it is not
indicated as specific antidote?

Is it possible to design a double blind experiment re this? Has it been
done? I don't know... Some research in the net (??)
-geo-
All that is unnecessary since if you're truly classical and follow
Hahnemann, coffee is forbidden.

Susan

[Shannon Nelson]

Very few practice entirely per Organon--as Sheri and others have often noted!
And very few patients would remain with us if we did...

[yerewan]

you can be as hahnemannian as you care to be but the patients aren't.
will

[healthinfo6]

Other than remedies that coffea is listed as an antidote, what you're asking is similar to what quackbusters/allopaths ask, "prove" homeopathy works. That type of experiment can only be done with acutes because that "should" be reproducible. Like Arnica helps muscle pains/strains, Oscillococcinum for flu, hypericum for nerve pain, calendula for bruises, etc. while being asked to prove a remedy cures Parkinson's is not possible.
Coffee antidoting likely is highly individualistic. is the remedy being tested an acute, constitutional, miasmatic for this person? Is it deep acting, palliative, an acute, etc?
Also, if the person is a coffee "addict" that might pose other issues than someone like myself who is not and usually not craving it.
I think most of us agree, for a patient new to homeopathy, basic recommendations like initially avoiding coffee, mint toothpase, strong perfumes, etc. as Hahnemann wrote is good to strive for just so you can ensure accurate reporting and once you see remedy in action, then allowing them to drink coffee and see what happens would be OK.
Susan

[healthinfo6]

True, but there is much to be gained by trying to follow Hahnemann to the letter in the Organon and Chronic Diseases if one wants to experience what homeopathic cure feels like. After almost 16 years with homeopathy treatment, most with my conditions would have abandoned it long ago. There is much pain and suffering to go through to reach nirvana. Sometimes I'm ready to throw in the towel. But given the progress I've been able to make going with LMs on my own the past 6 months and finding new homeopaths with different approaches who also work with me, we should not be so complacent to accept mediocrity.
Quality does take time.
What tastes richer, the baked from scratch cake or pie or the add water to the pre-mix box with preservatives, artificial colors?
What looks richer, the oil painting or the lithograph reprint?
What sounds richer, analog vinyl or digital CD and mp3 downloads?
What feels richer, 100% Egyptian cotton or 50/50 polyester blend?
A diamond contains basic elements that require time to make.
Reading, rereading Hahnemann and others who adhere to more classical approaches and trying to master miasm theory, dosing, potency, etc. is how you can truly help cure those with illnesses.
Susan

[Shannon Nelson]

Good points -- and yet you said you drink coffee... Or did I misunderstand?

[healthinfo6]

Mostly decaf, I don't think they had decaf in H's day, so he was referring to caffeinated ?
Also, he wrote a German book about coffee, not sure if it was translated or anyone knows everything he said negative about coffee.
Reason I now try to drink more coffee is that so many reports of it being helpful for diabetes.
Susan

[Shannon Nelson]

I suppose he referred to regular -- but I was taught that caffeinated and decaf act the same, as far as capacity to antidote; and that caffeine is apparently *not* the issue (e.g. green tea no problem), but some other factor in the coffee.

Well, so you have decided to "edit" your application of Hahnemann's teachings, based upon your own observed needs -- it makes sense to me!

Shannon