I understand perfectly what -geo- is saying and what Soroush is writing and that is exactly how
I was tought.But we know that was not scientific and we know Homeopathy can be proven today
with molecular sience to be one of
the foremost scientific systems in the world and does not need to take recourse to Vital Force or Dynamism
or other vague non-scientific terms.
Serial diluting succussing and simillimum was Hn's genious - even in the days when there was no molecular science he somehow, foresaw this. Genious man!
Jeff
Coffee and homeopathy
Re: Coffee and homeopathy
Sorry -geo- I do not understand 'picture of a remedy'.
All remedies work on a molecular plain - especially Homeopathic remedies
which
are diluted to the extreme and work on a sub molecular level
(imprints/memory only)
There is therefore no picture as there are no molecules of the remedy in the
mix and
scientifically they work on the molecular imprints in the ethyl/water matrix
only.
Jeff
All remedies work on a molecular plain - especially Homeopathic remedies
which
are diluted to the extreme and work on a sub molecular level
(imprints/memory only)
There is therefore no picture as there are no molecules of the remedy in the
mix and
scientifically they work on the molecular imprints in the ethyl/water matrix
only.
Jeff
Re: Coffee and homeopathy
Ha.. I see, sorry jeff. My natural language is Portuguese and sometimes I
fail to find the proper words...
"Picture", in a quick manner of speaking is the totality of the symptoms you
find in the materia medica including the
ones on healthy subjects, the clinically verified ones and the ones induced
trough the dinamized remedy
given in repeated doses. In fact the "real picture", the real totality of
the artificial disease a remedy is able to induce is not known
to us in all its details - there is always something more to it
Regards,
-geo-
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From: jtikari
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:48 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Coffee and homeopathy
Sorry -geo- I do not understand 'picture of a remedy'.
All remedies work on a molecular plain - especially Homeopathic remedies
which
are diluted to the extreme and work on a sub molecular level
(imprints/memory only)
There is therefore no picture as there are no molecules of the remedy in the
mix and
scientifically they work on the molecular imprints in the ethyl/water matrix
only.
Jeff
fail to find the proper words...
"Picture", in a quick manner of speaking is the totality of the symptoms you
find in the materia medica including the
ones on healthy subjects, the clinically verified ones and the ones induced
trough the dinamized remedy
given in repeated doses. In fact the "real picture", the real totality of
the artificial disease a remedy is able to induce is not known
to us in all its details - there is always something more to it
Regards,
-geo-
-----Mensagem Original-----
From: jtikari
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:48 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Coffee and homeopathy
Sorry -geo- I do not understand 'picture of a remedy'.
All remedies work on a molecular plain - especially Homeopathic remedies
which
are diluted to the extreme and work on a sub molecular level
(imprints/memory only)
There is therefore no picture as there are no molecules of the remedy in the
mix and
scientifically they work on the molecular imprints in the ethyl/water matrix
only.
Jeff
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Re: Coffee and homeopathy
I had someone antidote with coffee
And I antidoted once after eating coffee ice cream (it contained real coffee)
tanya
From: Shannon Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:23 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Coffee and homeopathy
Yes, but there are also cases where coffee antidotes an otherwise well-acting remedy -- my husband's, for instance.
I have heard other cases where remedy has been antidoted by other things, including (what comes to mind) chocolate, lavender (the flowers, while working in her garden); mint (is it really ever antidoted by mint *toothpaste*, tho?); dental drilling (for me, only if drilled within about the first two weeks after a high potency dose); illness, shock, antibiotics...
It depends...
And I antidoted once after eating coffee ice cream (it contained real coffee)
tanya
From: Shannon Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:23 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Coffee and homeopathy
Yes, but there are also cases where coffee antidotes an otherwise well-acting remedy -- my husband's, for instance.
I have heard other cases where remedy has been antidoted by other things, including (what comes to mind) chocolate, lavender (the flowers, while working in her garden); mint (is it really ever antidoted by mint *toothpaste*, tho?); dental drilling (for me, only if drilled within about the first two weeks after a high potency dose); illness, shock, antibiotics...
It depends...
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Soroush Ebrahimi
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Re: Coffee and homeopathy
Dear Jeff
Put " portrait of remedies " in to Google and see what you get!
Rgds
Soroush
Put " portrait of remedies " in to Google and see what you get!
Rgds
Soroush
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Coffee and homeopathy
In my husband's case (and the remedy was Nat m, by coincidence) his dose would have been either 200c or 1M, and it happened several times.
The other antidoting instances I had mentioned -- dental drilling, lavender, antibiotics, chocolate -- were also while on high potency doses.
You are speaking theory; experience, tho, is more to the point, and experience has been that
(a) usually antidoting with coffee etc. is not an issue; but
(b) some remedies are more prone to antidoting by certain substances, as are
(c) some people.
Homeopathy is primarily an energetic medicine...
JW's explanation of antidoting was I thought very succinct. He conceptualized it not as being "about the remedy" (once you take the remedy, it exerts its effect on the vital force and it is *gone*), but rather about the effect of the potentially antidoting substance (or etc.) on the *person*. I.e., if the substance is sufficiently disruptive to the *person's system*, that can cause their vital force to be jarred off of response to the remedy.
That explanation seems to also explain observations of "antidoting" via drilling, severe illness / accident / shock, and etc.
It also seems to explain the observation that most people are *not* antidoted by coffee (or whatever), whereas others consistently are...
They made the call thru observation.
They were not considering anything about molecules or locks-and-keys; they were *observing* that in some cases, Remedy B taken *directly after* Remedy A (i.e., where Remedy A was the just-prior remedy *which acted*), has a different and *disturbing* effect, compared with what the same remedy, in the same person, does when it has *not* been directly preceded by Remedy A.
In some cases the *same* remedy pairs are listed as both inimical and also others, e.g. complementary. Explanation I was taught, is that there are aspects of the two remedies that run so close to each other (e.g. phos and caust), that in some way the VF becomes confused over just what it is being asked to do, with temporarily uncomfortable result. (This last part is my own paraphrasing, perhaps someone can improve on it!) It is an issue *only* if Remedy A has actually *acted*; not if you thought A was needed, but when it did not act, realized B must be needed instead...
Any practitioner who has *seen* this interaction, will tell you it is not baseless.
But also none is set in stone, and certainly not the remedy relationships.
Shannon
The other antidoting instances I had mentioned -- dental drilling, lavender, antibiotics, chocolate -- were also while on high potency doses.
You are speaking theory; experience, tho, is more to the point, and experience has been that
(a) usually antidoting with coffee etc. is not an issue; but
(b) some remedies are more prone to antidoting by certain substances, as are
(c) some people.
Homeopathy is primarily an energetic medicine...
JW's explanation of antidoting was I thought very succinct. He conceptualized it not as being "about the remedy" (once you take the remedy, it exerts its effect on the vital force and it is *gone*), but rather about the effect of the potentially antidoting substance (or etc.) on the *person*. I.e., if the substance is sufficiently disruptive to the *person's system*, that can cause their vital force to be jarred off of response to the remedy.
That explanation seems to also explain observations of "antidoting" via drilling, severe illness / accident / shock, and etc.
It also seems to explain the observation that most people are *not* antidoted by coffee (or whatever), whereas others consistently are...
They made the call thru observation.
They were not considering anything about molecules or locks-and-keys; they were *observing* that in some cases, Remedy B taken *directly after* Remedy A (i.e., where Remedy A was the just-prior remedy *which acted*), has a different and *disturbing* effect, compared with what the same remedy, in the same person, does when it has *not* been directly preceded by Remedy A.
In some cases the *same* remedy pairs are listed as both inimical and also others, e.g. complementary. Explanation I was taught, is that there are aspects of the two remedies that run so close to each other (e.g. phos and caust), that in some way the VF becomes confused over just what it is being asked to do, with temporarily uncomfortable result. (This last part is my own paraphrasing, perhaps someone can improve on it!) It is an issue *only* if Remedy A has actually *acted*; not if you thought A was needed, but when it did not act, realized B must be needed instead...
Any practitioner who has *seen* this interaction, will tell you it is not baseless.
But also none is set in stone, and certainly not the remedy relationships.
Shannon
Re: Coffee and homeopathy
I think the phrase "antidoting the remedy" is misleading and should not be used. The remedy's action on the vital force is immediate and short acting. That starts the body's healing process on the physical level. But it takes a while for the healing progress to develop and then solidify. The weakened tendency, or susceptibility is still there for some time. When someone takes the "antidoting" substance it impacts the health of the client and reverses the progress made, setting them back to a prior less healthy state. The impact is on the body, not on the remedy which is long gone.
Clients with different susceptibilities are sensitive to different substances. Someone who is taking Nux-v is going to be sensitive to coffee. That is the nature of their disease, their susceptibility. It has nothing to do with the remedy.
I had severe insomnia and took a remedy that apparently cured it. A year later I was doing some house painting, breathing the fumes and the symptoms all returned. I stopped painting, took the remedy and the symptoms went away again and never returned.
I treated myself for poison oak twice, curing it each time. But being again exposed caused another reaction. After the third treatment I didnt get another reaction altho I was exposed to it subsequently many times.
Its not a case of "antidoting the remedy", its antagonizing the susceptibility, if you want to give it a name.
Roger
Clients with different susceptibilities are sensitive to different substances. Someone who is taking Nux-v is going to be sensitive to coffee. That is the nature of their disease, their susceptibility. It has nothing to do with the remedy.
I had severe insomnia and took a remedy that apparently cured it. A year later I was doing some house painting, breathing the fumes and the symptoms all returned. I stopped painting, took the remedy and the symptoms went away again and never returned.
I treated myself for poison oak twice, curing it each time. But being again exposed caused another reaction. After the third treatment I didnt get another reaction altho I was exposed to it subsequently many times.
Its not a case of "antidoting the remedy", its antagonizing the susceptibility, if you want to give it a name.
Roger
Re: Coffee and homeopathy
On the other hand you could say that "antidoting the remedy" occurs when the remedy is in the bottle and exposed to a strong energy like camphor, essential oils, strong electromagnetic fields, etc.
I think that is a proper use of the term.
Roger
I think that is a proper use of the term.
Roger
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Coffee and homeopathy
The issue with the phone is entirely different. It's not a matter of antidoting, but rather an issue of damaging and inactivating the remedy itself -- not its action within the body. Did you read the article that Lynn sent? It's a review of the study itself.
Shannon
Shannon
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Coffee and homeopathy
"Antidote" refers to the action of the remedy within the person, stopping the action of a dose already taken.
The things you describe involve damage (or potential damage) to the remedy itself.
When we talk about e.g. antidoting the remedy with coffee, we mean the person has antidoted the *action* of the remedy within them, not that their drinking coffee has caused damage to the remedy still in the bottle!
Shannon
The things you describe involve damage (or potential damage) to the remedy itself.
When we talk about e.g. antidoting the remedy with coffee, we mean the person has antidoted the *action* of the remedy within them, not that their drinking coffee has caused damage to the remedy still in the bottle!
Shannon