Coffee and homeopathy

Aylin Kantarci · Post by **Aylin Kantarci** » Wed May 30, 2012 8:41 pm

Hello,

I am reading different ideas about coffee and remedies. Some says one shoul dnever drink coffee during treatment.
Some says if you have a habbit of drinking one cup of coffee evrydayi there is no problem. Some says coffee does no harm if you obey the half an hour rule.

Which one is correct?

I am taking nat-m once a week. Is it a problem if I drink one cup of coffee on the other 6 days

Regards

domenicstanghini · Post by **domenicstanghini** » Wed May 30, 2012 10:13 pm

Hello

I think it all depends on the person. I have seen others have no reactions to coffee + remedies, however, myself I have drank a cup of coffee and antidoted a remedy, it was nat mur at that time.

I personally think it is individual in this instance. you might want to consider taking coffee first in the morning and then say in the afternoon taking the remedy and it should work for you.

Best way to find out is to take a remedy that is working great or immediately like an acute and then drink the coffee and notice the reaction and if there is a return of Sx then the coffee antidoted the remedy.

Best Wishes

Domenic

yerewan · Post by **yerewan** » Wed May 30, 2012 10:34 pm

the remedy is energy.
if the energy matches with that of the person it will work.
cf. remedies with heavy allopathic medication

I know of succesful recovery stories where the remedy
has been taken over a cup of coffee..or even in the coffee.

will

Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:23 am

Yes, but there are also cases where coffee antidotes an otherwise well-acting remedy -- my husband's, for instance.

I have heard other cases where remedy has been antidoted by other things, including (what comes to mind) chocolate, lavender (the flowers, while working in her garden); mint (is it really ever antidoted by mint *toothpaste*, tho?); dental drilling (for me, only if drilled within about the first two weeks after a high potency dose); illness, shock, antibiotics...

It depends...

Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:04 am

Hi Aylin,

It depends on the person, and perhaps also on what remedy they are taking, and perhaps also on other factors.

I was taught that:
- certain remedies are more prone to being antidoted by coffee (I can't now remember the list...);
- that nux-v is the one most apt to be, and that even for it,
- instance of antidoting by coffee would be about 50%. (I assume this is a very rough number, differing in different patient populations?)

I was also told that people who like coffee but it's not a big deal for them, can probably drink it without troubling the remedy. Whereas with someone who is "addicted" to it, it is more likely to disturb the remedy's action (or antidote).

Some prescribers direct patients to avoid coffee, in order to remove that uncertainty.
Others do not make it an issue, figuring that most of the time it won't matter.

For your situation, you could simply try it both ways, and see whether it seems to matter for *you*.

Shannon

jtikari · Post by **jtikari** » Thu May 31, 2012 10:47 am

No problems whatsoever.
I dont know if you are taking Nat m in potencies over 12c when there are no molecules of Nat m that can
be countered by material molecules of coffee. In any case (salt) and Coffea cruda molecules are not inhibitory.
Jeff

jtikari · Post by **jtikari** » Thu May 31, 2012 10:47 am

Coffee can only antidote Nat m if the remedy is taken in material doses ie under 12c. Two, if Nat m is taken in potencies above 12c then no molecules are involved, only imprints are involved and then it would really depend on whether Nat m imprints have a 'lock & key' association with crude coffee molecules in which case the coffee molecules would bind to the Nat m imprints and neutralize then.
I don't think that is the case but an Organic chemical biologist would be able to advise on this.
In the old books most of the remedies that are supposed to be inimical to each other are not so. Science was not advanced to the molecular level 200 years ago and I can't imagine how the doctors of yore stated that a remedy was inimical or antidoted another remedy. What means did they have to determine whether a molecule of one remedy exactly counter matched another remedy to find a mutual 'lock & key' bind to neutralise each other?
Amazing - and we blindly follow these old baseless pointers.
Jeff
Jeff

Post by **Soroush Ebrahimi** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:37 pm

OK - Let us see what might be the safest course.
I have on good authority of colleagues that coffee can anti-dote some remedies - especially Nat-m!
I have used it myself to stop severe aggravation a patient suffered!
We also have people like my esteemed teacher, Sheilagh Creasy, who does not object to patients drinking coffee.
We need to give the homeopath the best chance of effecting a cure.
Considering the risk of the first remedy not being the Similimum, if it is not bang on target, then coffee could affect it and give dis-information to the homeopath regarding his first choice.
Therefore, my recommendation is that to avoid coffee for the first couple of months!
Best wishes

Soroush
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Coffee can only antidote Nat m if the remedy is taken in material doses ie under 12c. Two, if Nat m is taken in potencies above 12c then no molecules are involved, only imprints are involved and then it would really depend on whether Nat m imprints have a 'lock & key' association with crude coffee molecules in which case the coffee molecules would bind to the Nat m imprints and neutralize then.

I don't think that is the case but an Organic chemical biologist would be able to advise on this.
In the old books most of the remedies that are supposed to be inimical to each other are not so. Science was not advanced to the molecular level 200 years ago and I can't imagine how the doctors of yore stated that a remedy was inimical or antidoted another remedy. What means did they have to determine whether a molecule of one remedy exactly counter matched another remedy to find a mutual 'lock & key' bind to neutralise each other?

Amazing - and we blindly follow these old baseless pointers.
Jeff
Jeff

geo · Post by **geo** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:55 pm

I am not sure I understood you, Jeff. Antidoting is mainly based on the
"picture" of the remedies - regardless of their
molecular interactions. Two remedies with almost identical "pictures" may be
antidotal to each other because of their
primary and secondary interaction. Why would we need to know the molecular
structure of Theridion in order to know
the effects it causes in healthy individuals? Or its effects in dynamized
mode?
-geo-
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From: jtikari
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:12 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Coffee and homeopathy
Coffee can only antidote Nat m if the remedy is taken in material doses ie
under 12c. Two, if Nat m is taken in potencies above 12c then no molecules
are involved, only imprints are involved and then it would really depend on
whether Nat m imprints have a 'lock & key' association with crude coffee
molecules in which case the coffee molecules would bind to the Nat m
imprints and neutralize then.
I don't think that is the case but an Organic chemical biologist would be
able to advise on this.

In the old books most of the remedies that are supposed to be inimical to
each other are not so. Science was not advanced to the molecular level 200
years ago and I can't imagine how the doctors of yore stated that a remedy
was inimical or antidoted another remedy. What means did they have to
determine whether a molecule of one remedy exactly counter matched another
remedy to find a mutual 'lock & key' bind to neutralise each other?
Amazing - and we blindly follow these old baseless pointers.

Jeff
Jeff

geo · Post by **geo** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:04 pm

-----Mensagem Original-----
From: finrod@finrod.co.uk
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:37 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: Coffee and homeopathy
Ultimately it is practice and experimentation that will give the answer to
this question.
From my point of view certain substances seem to have a marked effect on the
organism.
Even the right similimum starts to act very subtly in the first moments. The
healthy reaction
of the body/mind is also very subtle in the beginning. Maybe coffee and a
few other substances are
able to interfere in this subtle dynamism between action and reaction
disrupting cure.
-geo-

OK - Let us see what might be the safest course.
I have on good authority of colleagues that coffee can anti-dote some
remedies - especially Nat-m!
I have used it myself to stop severe aggravation a patient suffered!
We also have people like my esteemed teacher, Sheilagh Creasy, who does not
object to patients drinking coffee.
We need to give the homeopath the best chance of effecting a cure.
Considering the risk of the first remedy not being the Similimum, if it is
not bang on target, then coffee could affect it and give dis-information to
the homeopath regarding his first choice.
Therefore, my recommendation is that to avoid coffee for the first couple of
months!
Best wishes

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
jtik ari
Sent: 31 May 2012 06:12
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Coffee and homeopathy
Coffee can only antidote Nat m if the remedy is taken in material doses ie
under 12c. Two, if Nat m is taken in potencies above 12c then no molecules
are involved, only imprints are involved and then it would really depend on
whether Nat m imprints have a 'lock & key' association with crude coffee
molecules in which case the coffee molecules would bind to the Nat m
imprints and neutralize then.
I don't think that is the case but an Organic chemical biologist would be
able to advise on this.
In the old books most of the remedies that are supposed to be inimical to
each other are not so. Science was not advanced to the molecular level 200
years ago and I can't imagine how the doctors of yore stated that a remedy
was inimical or antidoted another remedy. What means did they have to
determine whether a molecule of one remedy exactly counter matched another
remedy to find a mutual 'lock & key' bind to neutralise each other?
Amazing - and we blindly follow these old baseless pointers.
Jeff
Jeff