advice needed.......

[dontwurry]

-Dear Shannon,

Thanks for your thoughts. In answer to your questions... Yes our NEW
homeopath put him on the Futureplex after 6 weeks(3 doses) of
ana.200c. This worked slowly, and wonderfully. Now he is taking
futureplex alone, 3 different packages. He obviously HAS a yeast
problem, so I cant imagine any one homeopathic remedy helping his
system fight off all that candida from only one front. I dont care
how they get rid of it, for a 10 yr old (since 2yrs) to be lazy,
sickly, bloated etc it is imperitive to act fast. I do prefer to
think of the classical homeopathy, and his new homeopath only deals
with homeopathics,(not allopathy) so I do have faith in his methods.
Our old homoepath gave him 3 or 4 remedies that didnt fit him, and
prescribed 3x daily for 6 weeks. when I read up on anac. it was my
son to a "T". Also, he did insist we eliminate all wheat,dairy, and
most sugar. Not very difficult so far.I am wondering if the
Futureplex will lessen the withdrawel or whatever happens when your
body rids the dead cells? Did you take it for this?
If this works to clear him of his ailments I will still most
definately try to stick to classical homeopathy in the future, but I
dont see him eliminating all this yeast and correcting deficiencies
without more help than one remedy, unless we are talking s l o w
l y. enough time has been wasted. His "emotional symptoms" mean he
is very sensitive (will cry if he loses) loses temper with aggression
over minor things/or wont defend himself, just a weak pathetic tired
person (for now) NOT his optimal self, as I've seen enough of his
great days to know what he CAN be. Also, with the anac, ocd did not
get worse, just changed to a less annoying ritual (in hindsight).

I'd like to know if anyone would have prescribed something different
considering a person who fits the anacardium, and with a known yeast
problem? Since the anac worked so well, would anyone suggest
continuing spaced doses as he improved on this remedy? Or a new
picture? Thanks to all...Heide

[dontwurry]

--- In minutus@y..., "petsfriend" wrote:
allopathic
systems.
Any "improvement" is

Are you saying this wil NOT eliminate the yeast overload, but when he
feels better this will be because it is supressed, and not because
his intestines are healthy? Or that the yeast will leave, but a new
expression of the weakness will show up? Do you think that a well
chosen remedy will actually be able to bring his body rallying to
destroy the candida, and restore the nutritional deficiencies as
well? I imagine you also mean with diet changes. Have you treated a
child with this problem?
sounds like

I mean just emotionally weak, cries too easily over nothing,
frustrated, lazy, temper tantrums, immature fretful....

Thank you for your help! Heide

[petsfriend]

Heide wrote:
Are you saying this wil NOT eliminate the yeast overload, but when he
feels better this will be because it is supressed, and not because
his intestines are healthy? Or that the yeast will leave, but a new
expression of the weakness will show up? Do you think that a well
chosen remedy will actually be able to bring his body rallying to
destroy the candida, and restore the nutritional deficiencies as
well? I imagine you also mean with diet changes. Have you treated a
child with this problem?

"Feels better" does not necessarily mean healthier. Lots of folks with
serious diseases (esp. sycotic ones) feel fine. The yeast is present, IMO,
because the immunity at the level of the gut (an endodermal tissue) is weak
and the terrain is suited for it. If suppression occurs, the immune system
will likely weaken at a deeper level. The terrain of the bowel could change
to one less hospitable to the yeast, yet not healthy. Even if the bowels
become healthier after a suppression, the disease is still present just not
expressing in that way. Why? Because the polypharmacy (or any non
homeopathic "medicine") has created a dissimilar disease. A well chosen
remedy should restore immune function and alter the terrain so the yeast
cannot over grow. I don't believe yeast are that tough to destroy. They are
LOW grade pathogens. Immune function should start to improve within 1-2 days
after the correct remedy (based on Dr. Vijayakar's studies). Intestinal
tissue is completely replaced each day, normally. This means "guts" should
heal quickly. With the correct remedy, healthy bowel function should return
before neurologic symptoms improve, as the bowel is a major detox pathway
and is necessary for the healing process. Is there physical weakness as well
as emotional? Physical weakness is another symptom that should change before
neurologic symptoms. Has the emotional weakness become worse since the tics
have subsided? Personally, I would not want to see a remedy "cure" OCD,
tics, etc. but leave bowel dysfunction behind.

Of course, true nutritional deficiencies cannot be treated homeopathically
as they are not diseases. Hahnemann himself talked of the importance of
proper diet.

Hope this is useful

russell swift, dvm
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[Dave Hartley]

Hi Russell,

Good post, as usual-

A couple of things:

While it is of primary importance to have a decent diet, I think we have
plenty of evidence that homeopathy *can* treat what appear to be nutritional
imbalances.

OTOH, with candida, when it becomes a chronic intestinal overgrowth, it
finds hospitable anaerobic terrain in fecal mucoid placque, which adheres
to the intestinal walls, and is there pretty well insulated from "normal"
physiological / immune system efforts to restore balance. It is hidden away
from it's "predators" who cannot survive in the anaerobic environment. From
here it can even in the worst cases begin to proliferate and invade the
intestinal wall causing "leaky gut syndrome" in those persons whose immune
systems are suppressed to the point that they are susceptible... and the
overgrowth itself produces &/or sustains a downward spiral - cravings for
inappropriate foods (seems like the yeasts take over a person's brain
..poor assimilation, chronic pain & sleep disturbance - yikes!

It is my experience that this may be addressed in dramatic fashion by a
week to 10 day of intestinal cleanse regimen. I recommend the program
outlined in the book "Cleanse and Purify Thyself" and the products mentioned
in it, the "Arise & Shine" products.

I have personal experience with the "can't eat it" diet, which somewhat
ameliorated my own symptoms, but doing this cleanse 7yrs ago has allowed me
thereafter to go on the seefood diet (I see food, I eat it I also have
recommended this to various clients, and those who found the motivation to
stick it out for a week have all had remarkable results. The program as
outlined in the book may be a little too stringent for some people; I've
found it possible to modify the program judiciously, so that full-on fasting
is not necessary for good results. If and when my dream of working in a
multidisciplinary "healing center" comes into fruition, I intend to stress
the importance of supervised intestinal cleanse in every case where it looks
useful.

I've come to look at the condition of candida overgrowth with fecal mucoid
placque as sort of a hygeine problem; an obstacle to cure, that is
relatively easily removed... of course other changes, and homeopathic
treatment as appropriate, would be highly desireable in terms of "cure" -so
that the condition does not recur.

regards,

Dave Hartley
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Santa Cruz, CA (831)423-4284

[petsfriend]

Dave,

Thanks for the input. I was very careful to say "true nutritional
deficiencies" to differentiate what appears to be such. otherwise, there
would be no successful case histories on the treatment of rickets with
homeopathy.

While I don't have a problem with a good intestinal clease and the idea of
impacted material being an obstacle to cure, if indeed it is present (and I
don't think it is as common as certain books espouse), I personally did not
have positive results with this approach, nor have I seen any lasting
changes in other who have tried it. Perhaps our different experiences are
leading us to different conclusions.

I am curious as to which "predators" cannot survive in an anaerobic
environment, where has it been shown such an environment exists, how the
presence of yeast inside the plaque creates problems in the tissue which is
not inside the plaque and if the yeast is "invading the intestinal wall" why
is it not susceptible to defense mechanisms at that point? If as you said
"in those persons whose immune systems are suppressed to the point that they
are susceptible...", then what if the right remedy reduces that
susceptibility? Won't the leaky gut repair, creating an upward spiral as
with any disease? Barring of course impaction which if it is present should
yield to colonic cleansing (which Hahnemann himself even allowed in
moderation).

be well

russell swift, dvm
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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Russell,

Tho I don't want to pursue this past its point of interest, I want to
say that from my experience, Dave's post seemed very good. (BTW I am
another who has had lasting and very good results from the ol' internal
cleanse.)

Below:

petsfriend wrote:

Well, "appearance" and reality can be hard to differentiate! By definition.
Often as the body moves toward health, food desires and lifestyle
choices change in a way that brings the body more of what it needs; e.g.
one becomes able to digest the needed foods better, or begins to like
them better, or loses the desire for foods that interfere, etc. So,
what looks like a "nutritional deficiency" could instead be a "digestive
deficiency" or an "eliminative deficiency", or ...

e.g. beneficial bacteria; these are not actually "predators" of the
yeasts, but they are very important competitors, and normally their
presence in large numbers, in an environment that is more hospital to
them (e.g. aerobic) than to the yeasts, is a major factor in keeping
yeast numbers down. I don't think of predators that would normally be
in the gut, so I'm thinking perhaps this was what Dave meant?

Predators come on the scene in the blood stream; WBCs etc.

As Dave said, in fecal/mucoid crusts in the colon. Whether these are
"common" or not I don't know, and don't care; but that they are
*sometimes* very significant seems to be undeniable.

Like all other living creatives, the yeasts take in certain substances
and excrete others. Some of the substances they take in are nutrients
which the person would rather use him/herself, and some of the
substances that the yeasts excrete are *very* significant toxins, and
very directly responsible for the yeast overgrowth symptoms such as
spaciness, bloating, fatigue, etc. The toxins diffuse into the body
tissues and fluids, and can exert their effects at quite a distance.
More yeasts equals more toxins, regardless of whether they are
"free-floating", encased in old poop, or whatever.

It is -- *if* the defense mechanisms are up to par. But the fact that
the yeasts have come that far strongly suggests that it *isn't* up to par.

Yes, *if* the strength and momentum of the healing response is
sufficient to overpower the "obstacles" working against it. In some
cases apparently this is sufficient; maybe in most cases it is sufficient.

One possible obstacleto cure in some people could be an "encapsulated"
pocket of yeasts, e.g. in those famous ol' mucous crusts. This would be
a similar situation to what I've heard called a "focal infection", which
I understand to be something like an encapsulated infection, which
continues to leak toxins and bacteria, but which is too removed from the
body's normal defenses to allow for healing by the "normal channels".
E.g. a low-grade infection in a rotten tooth, where the tooth (and the
point of infection) must be removed in order for the body to really move
past it; otherwise you can palliate and palliate, but the same problems
will keep recurring, because the problem (the encapsulated infection) is
not being dealt with.

Yes, and the thing Dave spoke of goes a step beyond impaction: It's
stuff that's not merely loitering in the doorway, so to speak, but
chained to the walls along the way. Same principle, but the latter
obviously requires somewhat different measures to deal with. (There are
herbs that can do well too, here.)

So... Is this off-topic? My personal feeling that that it's *not*,
because for some patients it could be *hugely* helpful to have this sort
of information, and these tools. Yeah, remedies aer *amazing*, but
Hahnemann never intended them to be the healer's only tool! Like Dave,
I think this comes under the category of "obstalces to cure" -- not for
everyone, probably not for most, but definitely for some. And from my
experience, having this understanding gives one tools that can make
(comparatively) quick work of problems that otherwise can be truly
debilitating, and awfully hard (and perhaps even impossible) to shift
with remedies alone.

Best wishes,
Shannon

[Dr M Ramachandra]

Russel
enlightening post,but regarding==" true nutritional deficiencies cannot be
treated homeopathically as they are not diseases. Hahnemann himself talked
of the importance of proper diet."
One should evaluate the cause of nutritional difciencies.Is it due to non
availability or dificient function of absorption ie malabsorption.If it is
of malabsorption ,this can be corrected by Homoeopathy only.Any amount of
nutritionaL substutions are of no use.This can be seen in allopathic treat
ment of Anaemia ,rickets, even by potentised 12 tissue salts of Schuessler.
Diet is important in management of disease in acute and in chronic
depending on individual modalities

With Good Wishes

Ramachandra
Hyderabad,INDIA

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[manice26uk]

can see where you are coming from and i have used a 10 day cleanse on clients
myself (a diff 'brand') and it can shift some stuff. Question: what about
bowel nosodes??
Janice
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[petsfriend]

I am apparently not making myself clear enough. What I mean by "true
nutritional deficiency" is just that - a deficiency. Obviously, a metabolic,
absorptive, etc. problem is NOT a deficiency in the diet. Perhaps the phrase
i should've used is a "pure dietary deficiency" is not a disease: Phew - I
hope that is clear

Please bear in mind I deal mostly with cats and dogs and virtually all of
them are on horrible nutritional programs. I have seen wonders with diet
improvements in animals that had been treated homeopathically to no avail.
On the other hand, during my training in Mumbai (Bombay), India, I saw
cancer and rheumatoid arthritis cases being cured (in people) without any
change in their not very good diet and at the same time these patients are
living in perhaps the most polluted air on the planet. So, I think we need
to be careful what we attribute to "diet" and what we consider "disease".
be well

russell swift, dvm

[Gaby Rottler]

Hi Russell,
just another story re diet and health:

A veterinary friend of mine treated a cat with multiple oral ulcers
(eosinophilic granuloma -like) homoeopathically, with nearly no effect.
Then she changed the diet for the cat: milk was forbidden.
Without any further treatment - and without the milk - the cat soon was
cured.
Milk - an obstacle to cure in this case.

There are a lot of dogs and cats with sensitivities to certain food (not
really allergies).

Best,

Gaby

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