advice needed.......

[dontwurry]

Hi all. the remedy our new homeopath gave to ;my son ( I never
did get the name, been in VT all week) WORKED for his chronic
cough. Gone! It was dry and deep. Since takin 200c of the remedy
(and.c)?? He was cough free for 5 days, then woke up with the cough
and a cold, felt lousy, next day i repeated the dose, and another
time in days following when cough seemed worse.... his cough is rare
now, and when it comes, it is a wet loose cough, and his nose has
been mucus filled (needs to blow, thick) for 13 days now, cough is
very rare, but the OTHER presenting main symptom of obsessive tics
has not gotten any better, (we assumed the cough was one) but
instead of cough, and noises he used to make, he does new things
like clapping and jaw stretching..... I thought the nasal discharge
was a good sign.... no other cold sypmtom... but the change of ocd
symptoms...is this good, bad , neither? Can any one make anything
of this....mentally he is no better or worse (emotionally) thanks in
advance Heide

[petsfriend]

Heide

Trading a cough for increase neurologic symptoms sounds like the wrong
direction of movement to me.

be well

russell swift, dvm

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Heide,

I'm curious what instructions your homeopath gave you for repeating the
dose? A high potency c dose (or really any dry dose) *needs* a chance
to finish acting before the dose is repeated. Symptoms will come and go
in the normal course of things, remedy or no. If you re-dose every time
a symptom acts up, you can't get a sense of what the action of the first
dose *was*, or whether it is still acting, and so on; and the person's
VF never gets a chance to find its new equillibrium, but may be kept
off-balance by the repeated dosing. At least, that's the way I was
taught... Perhaps your son's situation made re-dosing appropriate, but
I'm curious what the instructions were? Will you be talking to him/her
again soon?

Shannon

dontwurry wrote:

[Sue Muller]

Best would be if we could know the name.
Sue

[Sue Muller]

The single dose is not necessarily the way to go. Many cases need repeated
doses. I don't know why everyone is taught otherwise. I think Vithoulkas
hammered this in but it does say in the Organon that chronic cases need
continuing dosing. Sue

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Sue,

I do understand that repeated doses are sometimes needed. I didn't say
"never do this", I only asked what her instructions had been; repeating
a 200 so frequently, and with every shift of symptoms, is directly
contrary to the way I was taught, but I'm very willing to get new
information on the subject! Are you familiar with this type of use for
high potencies?

Just curious...

Best,
Shannon
Sue Muller wrote:

[Sue Muller]

Dear Shannon and Heide,

One repeats remedies as needed by the patient. If the remedy worked for the
cough and then it recurred it is logical to repeat it as often as this
happens and you feel its doing the the trick in some way or other (reduction
of frequency, intensity etc.).

However, if a new symptom picture emerges which does not match the remedy
(or which the remedy has not helped) then you change the remedy. Again you
can use it as needed (much the same way you would use a painkiller). If new
symptoms emerge you check to see if they are those caused by the remedy in
which case you may have to consider not repeating the remedy. If there is a
proving you look at the proving; if you're using unproved remedies you can't
do that, of course.

I learnt how to do this by learning homeopathy from the Organon. I also
learnt prescribing from Boenninghausen's Lesser Writings. Then I take the
needs of the patient into heavy consideration and don't work to dogma. I
also tend to think widely about what's happening when there's a reaction to
a remedy. There are often different possibilities.

I know you didn't ask for a long story but you did ask if I'd had experience
in what I was saying (at least that was my interpretation of what you were
asking). Short answer is, lots.

Regards,
Sue

Sue

[dontwurry]

dear group, for all of you who kindly offered suggestions I thought I
would fill you in on what worked for my son. The remedy's name was
anacardium O. He took 3 separately spaced doses of 200 c. His cough
is gone, tics are very rare (hallajulah!!) His remaining symptoms are
mainly emotional weaknesses, and signs of yeast infection. So we are
working to clear that up. The doctor has put him on a regime of
treatment products: (by futureplex) endotoxand allertox. Now, these
all contain several homeopathics remedies mixed together, working to
fight the yeast, control cravings, promote healthy intestines etc.
Does anyone find a problem with this, just for the purpose of
treating the yeast probs, could it cause any other probs (provings)
by all the mixing? His symptoms ALL seem to be that of yeast
infection now. Has anyone found ONE remedy that works well for this,
of course noting the entire person's characteristics. the main
ingred. in futureplex is candida albicans 12x 15x 18x 20x.

Thanks in advance!! Heide

--- In minutus@y..., "dontwurry" wrote:

[petsfriend]

Heide,

Using combination homeopathics is at least as dangerous as using allopathic
drugs. Yeast infections are only symptoms of very weakened immune systems.
Polypharmacy is likely to further weaken the system. Any "improvement" is
probably suppression.

I am not sure what you mean by emotional "weaknesses", but this sounds like
all part of the disease picture.

be well

russell swift, dvm

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Heide,

I think you are asking in the wrong place for advice about any combo
remedy! This is a classically oriented list, and the combos are very
un-classical.

I've taken some of the Futureplex remedies (prescribed for me by a
wonderful chiropractor many years back), and was very happy with the
results, and even for a while used some while I was on a "regular"
remedy, and saw no sign of any problem. I think, tho, that they are a
pretty completely different thing from classical homeopathy, and would
have to be evaluated absolutely on their own merits, on their own
results, and not "in theory" by folks already inclined against that sort
of approach.

Was it your homeopath that put him on the Futureplex products, together
with the single remedy, or a different doctor? If a different one, be
sure to discuss it with your homeopath.

If it was the homeopath, I would say that if you are happy with your
homeopath, and your homeopath is experienced and happy with using
Futureplex together with the single, classical remedy, be willing to
trust -- that would be my inclination anyway; tho I'm sure you'll draw a
variety of opinions!

(Now if anyone knows of bad *experiences* with these remedies, I for one
would be very interested to hear, since I am always eager to test out
the "theories"!)

Does your doctor also recommend dietary changes for him, for curiosity?
This would usually be considered necessary (I think) in situation of
severe allergic and yeast problems.

For my own "education" , was Anacardium the original remedy, that
caused apparent increase in the ocd sxs, or was that the next remedy?
Happy to hear the good news!

Best wishes,
Shannon

dontwurry wrote: