quantum universe vs molecular universe

[Tanya Marquette]

sorry for the aborted post--see end of post below:

[Paul Booyse]

People take their stance, their denialisim, hide or seek the truth, have faith/lack faith - etc. because of their "vulnerability". Through their disordered state (and we all have a disordered state in our own ways) they adopt a position that can seem least threatening. This happens in disease and happens in life. As a result, something which is "real" for one person is "not-real" for another.
The art is to keep examining the environment (your/ones reality) to see where this is clear and where it is distorted by our altered perceptions.
Unfortunately when one is comfortable with one's position (i.e. an adopted stance that seems conducive to survival), then one questions less and assumes everything is as it is. This happens in allopathic medical training and this can happen in homeopathy too if we are not alert. Look at the different philosophies in homeopathy.
The science is to be alert, question, examine, verify. Results should tie up with expectation. Where they don't, question more and be prepared to venture into unknown territory. Truth never changes, so if one keeps looking, the repetition of truth will always reveal the truth itself.
Time for some caffeine.
regards,
Paul

[Tanya Marquette]

That's fine Paul, but doesn't take into consideration the human condition for cellular learning and the difficulty in undoing it.
That is why prejudices are impossible to argue. My experience is that unless you touch someone on the emotional level,
you never get anywhere's. The beauty of homeopathy is that it can bypass the intellectual defense mechanisms and go
to the cellular level to undo such emotional learning.
It is a mythology that people can monitor their own narrow mindedness easily. That is why the marketing budgets of Big
Pharma, for example, are so big. They do understand how to get to people on a cellular level to so they go and demand
toxic drugs or keep going to expect different results from the same failed steps.
tanya

[Joy Lucas]

And that is half if not more than half the trouble, making a mish mash of what Homeopathy "is" - you need to tell it how it is and not have a number of versions and what better way to start than with Hahnemann.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://www.streetcollege.co.uk

[Ellen Madono]

Hi Paul,
Aren't we all fundamentally deluded and limited by our self definitions? It is hard to feel that another delusion is less than or better than mine. The point is to communicate with the various positions that are out there from the particular one that limits me. Your initial reaction is really a good one. Communicate from the Organon in a way that opens the door for that other point of view. I am going to work on that.
Blessings,
Ellen

[Ellen Madono]

Dear Joy,

You usually communicate only in one way and frankly, I am proned to be offended or at least to feel that I don't want to communicate when you don't meet the speaker half way. It is more trouble to consider the other person's perspective, but it is a way that I personally prefer.

Please don't take offense. Feeling offended or walling one's self off is the problem of the person who reacts that way, and I am not saying that it is your responsibility in any way. I understand that you are just being you and that is fine. But, I also want to be me.

Best,
Ellen

[Joy Lucas]

I don't take or make offence at all, why should I but I prefer to keep it simple and I cannot help your own sensitivity in a discussion that is very important, making it so complicated is totally unnecessary and as a practitioner you need to be adequately objective.

If you want to explain homeopathy to someone then, to repeat, why ignore Hahnemann?
Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://www.streetcollege.co.uk

[Tanya Marquette]

I think there are 2 disperate ideas here.
1. telling it like it is when describing homeopathy, and
2. framing your language to ensure the listener actually hears you.
I see nothing wrong is customizing your approach from a social standpoint as long as you
don't sell the concepts or the ideas out. This is not about people pleasing.
tanya

[Varun Gupta]

As the heading of the mail says, "Quantum Universe vs Molecular Universe", so I would like to say that there is something above quantum universe as well as molecular universe as even Newton said that matter has actually evolved from non matter (certainly excluding the energy from the matter also).

A mammoth of 74% of energy is unaccounted for, even after aptly applying Einstien's mass energy equation E = mc^2, thus that energy is aptly called Dark Energy, as we still don't know what is it.

So what if the answer to Homeopathy actually lies there?

"Varun's Theory", provides you those answers.........
Varun

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[Lois Hoffer]

Ellen Madono wrote:
...

Before I quit to be sick for about 10 years and then spending ALL my
time for 5 years raising a lovely but high-need daughter, I was a
scientist myself: Master's in optical engineering, Ph.D. in experimental
physics. I specialized in "nonlinear optics" and lasers.
mattered was what I observed, what really happened (i.e. does this stuff
actually WORK?!), and not so much HOW...the job of the experimentalist
is just to factualize WHAT something does, and leave the theoreticians
to try and explain it . Therefore, the first time I was SURE a
remedy would work...and it didn't, and then I got it right and even
though I'd about given up on it, it worked spectacularly, I KNEW it
wasn't placebo or suggestion, etc. There's nothing like testing it,
feeling it for YOURSELF to convince you. I have heard that there exist
homeopaths who are "never sick" and haven't ever taken a remedy
themselves, nor done a proving, and I don't understand HOW they do it.
The remedies I know best, are those I've needed myself...

remedies" is a very EASILY explained, and very basic physics question
concerning resonances. (You make a laser by exploiting the "resonant
frequencies" of the molecule or crystal you're using to produce the
light, you excite THAT frequency, and reinforce it with feedback, and
you can end up with a beam of light strong enough to cut metal..take
away the frequency selection and you've got...a large, VERY expensive
flashlight.)
the wall of your wineglass when you have the stereo on. It's well known
that if you hit JUST the right frequency of sound, a frequency which is
"resonant", i.e. matches the modes of vibration of that particular
substance or object, the reaction will be HUGE. Ever seen those
commercials for magnetic tapes, showing how true-to-life the
reproduction is, where they had a soprano hit a high note and break a
crystal wine glass, and then do it again with the recording? There are
LOADS of very famous examples of what hitting a resonance can do. If
your husband did physics, perhaps he's heard of the Tacoma Narrows
Bridge incident? They built this lovely bridge, and didn't take into
account that the wind could excite vibrations that were resonant...
before it was a few months old, there was a windy day and the whole
bridge started to oscillate, faster and faster, until it broke apart!
(You can find multiple views of it on You-tube).
for anyone who doesn't need them), is that when one is sick, one is in a
meta-stable state, different from one's normal, and that state has its
own unique resonance frequency (think of a landscape like a stretchy
rubber sheet perhaps), with dips in it, and "where you're at" is
represented by a little ball. (This "landscape" is called "phase space"
to a physicist). The shape and depth of the "dip" determines at what
"frequency" the little ball will roll back and forth. If your state of
health is good, the "dip" that represents it is deep and narrow, and the
ball may roll about a LITTLE bit if the landscape gets "shaken" but it
doesn't come out. If your state of health is precarious, that dip is
shallow or open on one side or something, and the ball can get out if
hit hard enough or in the right direction and fall into ANOTHER well,
which it can't easily get out of without help.
somehow acts to smooth out the sickness-dip in the landscape or merely
bounces the ball OUT of it, so it can naturally fall back into the
"health dip", I don't know. I can see constitutional remedies as tending
to act on the "landscape" (e.g. deepening and narrowing the dip for the
basic state of health), whereas acute remedies remove either the ball
from that sickness-dip or remove the sickness dip altogether. Every
change in the "landscape" or phase space CORRESPONDS to a change in the
"frequency space" of the patient, so they are both "true" and just
different ways of looking at the same thing. One's susceptibility may
always remain, to some extent, and that is equivalent to the
sickness-dip being there, even if the ball doesn't necessarily visit it,
because you're too healthy for "normal" shocks and bothers to move it
out of health. Perhaps, this is why it takes many remedies to fully cure
someone who is chronically ill: their landscape is pockmarked all over,
and their state of health (the little ball) falls from one to another
before finding the true, deeper, "health" dip. When you "mess up the
case" with a remedy that is not quite right, what you do is to lose the
ball in some far sickness-dip you hadn't noticed before...and imagine
what you get if you have LOTS of dips, all overlapping each other! then
you get even odder shapes than just "bowls" or dips, not just sinusoidal
vibration, but what are called "saddlepoints" and other topographies
that are even weirder (this is where those famous "strange attractors"
come in, the ones which cause the ball's motion to be "chaotic"..., but
let's not go there!!).

particular, unique frequency, it'll react VERY strongly, so you have to
be very careful to only give it a SMALL amount. If, on the other hand,
it's not resonant to your frequency, you can take a whole bottle of the
remedy with no effect (something the idiot skeptics don't ever seem to
"get"). The medical version of the "strange effect with small doses",
which is called "anomalous", not only because the effect is strangely
disproportionate, but also because, in LIVING systems, the response to
mini doses is sometimes the OPPOSITE of the response to big ones (i.e.
big ones kill, small ones cure) and is called "hormesis" and I think
someone posted not TOO long ago, a link to a large (50 page?) paper on
the accumulated research in hormesis...if your husband would care to
look into it.

Lois