Concern over homeopathic MMR vaccinations

[Theresa Partington]

Hi Shannon
I don't know how old your children are but the problem for us arose when one wanted to to a degree that involved hospital placements and suddenly - wham - they wanted the lot! I consoled myself by thinking that she had got through her formative early years without vaccinations (or a/bs). To be honest i couldn't see any great detioration in health post- vaccination, either.

Incidentally, I think it is better to refer to homeopathic prophylaxis than homeopathic vaccination. Vaccination is a very specific process which implies injections to most people. (Even conventionally I think immunisation is a prefered word for the use of oral vaccines).
Anyway, remedies definitely aren't vaccines but it sounds as if we are claiming that they are or don't know what a vaccine is.
Why attract grief just by poor choice of words? It is bad enough living with miasms (in more ways than one!)
Cheers
Theresa
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[Shannon Nelson]

You too, Joy, would do well to read Golden's 20-year study.
Would be better to comment on basis of the evidence, rather than theory, even Hahnemann's theory. Recall part of Hahnemann's instructions are precisely that, to follow *evidence*, not theory... Why not just read it?

[Joy Lucas]

Have done but do not need to indulge or promote by discussion and I query the so called evidence but if you are partial to evidence then Hahnemann is enough for me and many others - why not just read it?

Joy

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[Shannon Nelson]

Come on Joy, you know perfectly well that I've studied the Organon and etc...
No more from me on this one.

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Theresa,
I think you make a good point about the terminology--why complicate things.
I only meant to point out that the terminology is used...

[Tanya Marquette]

It depends on where you live that creates the level of difficulty. As has been pointed out before,
NYS has the harshest limitations and the head of the state health dept wants every vaccine that
the CDC recommends given to all kids and wants all adults vaccinated, too. The nurses spear-
headed a big push back movement last year and the state backed down on the H1N1 vaccine.
I agree with the terminology. It seems that people switch wording in order to sound like homeopathy
can be made equivalent to vaccines. This is an apologist approach and we need to stop this
nonsense.
Glad your kids are not showing signs of vaccine damage. Hope it won't creep in as the years go
by.
tanya

[Joy]

Actually I do not know what you have studied and it is difficult for anyone to tell from your posts what you have or have not studied. If you have studied Hahnemann's work then it appears you have discounted it with these suggestions of homeopathic vaccinations. Homeopathy treats the acute and the chronic and prophylactic prescriptions have their valued place in epidemics however small or rampant. Anything else is not Hahnemannian homeopathy. Simples! Check out the evidence (as you suggest) and ask yourself why you discount Hahnemann so regularly.

Joy

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Nelson wrote:

[Shannon Nelson]

We've been thru all that.
Best wishes

[Sheri Nakken]

you certainly CAN avoid all vaccines unless you live in France (and there are ways) and a few other countries. The US only requires for school and there are exemptions in most states - only West Virginia is a problem. To work in the disease-care industry, vaccines are often required - just another reason to not work in the disease-care industry

Where are you that you cannot avoid vaccines?
Homeopathic so-called vaccination is just a way to imitate allopaths. Using remedies in the presence of an epidemic is a different story. To use remedies to prevent all illness is something else. It will not work and is not necessary or good. The key is to learn about the illnesses and get over fear
Sheri

Varun wrote
It is easy to say that vaccines of any kind are harmful but do we really have a way to avoid to them, at least the very basic ones. The answer is simply no.
You took it wrongly Varun, we are not talking about homeopathic vaccines here and there is no such vaccines anywhere in the world of homeopathy. We are talking of epidemic/genous epidemic here. Vaccination of any kind is harmful to human being.
Why in your book?.......

Dr.

--- On Fri, 9/24/10, Varun Gupta > wrote:
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http://www.bbc. co.uk/news/ uk-scotland- 11277990
Doctors warn over homeopathic 'vaccines'
By Samantha Poling Investigations correspondent, BBC Scotland
Many homeopaths believe that remedies can help lessen the side effects of
conventional vaccination
Homeopaths are offering "alternative vaccinations" which doctors say could
leave patients vulnerable to potentially fatal diseases, a BBC investigation
has found.
Three practitioners admitted giving patients a homeopathic medicine designed
to replace the MMR vaccine.
Inverness-based Katie Jarvis said she only offered "Homeopathic Prophylaxis"
to patients who expressed an interest.
But the discovery has prompted a shocked reaction from doctors.
When asked about the practice, Ms Jarvis said: "The alternative that I would
offer would be a homeopathic remedy made from diseased tissue, that comes
from someone with that disease, and then made into potentised form so that
is given in a homeopathic remedy.
"It can be given instead of, or as well as, the vaccination.
"I'm not advocating that they do not take the vaccination, I am providing
support for those who choose not to by giving them an alternative. "
When asked if the homeopathic remedy offered the same protection as the MMR,
she replied: "I'd like to say that they were safer, but I can't prove that."
However, the BMA's director of science and ethics, Dr Vivienne Nathanson,
said: "Replacing proven vaccines, tested vaccines, vaccines that are used
globally and we know are effective with homeopathic alternatives where there
is no evidence of efficacy, no evidence of effectiveness, is extremely
worrying because it could persuade families that their children are safe and
protected when they're not.
"And some of those children will go on to get the illness, and some of those
children may go on to get permanent life-threatening sequelae, or even to
die, and that's a tragedy when the family think they've protected their
children."
Katie Jarvis said she had protected herself against flu with homeopathic
treatments
Sequelae is a pathological condition resulting from a previous disease or
injury.
The practice of replacing conventional vaccines with homeopathic
alternatives has been condemned by the Faculty of Homeopathy.
It said there was no evidence for homeopathic treatments being able to
protect against diseases, and said patients should stick to conventional
medicines.
Replacements for vaccines were also dismissed by the UK and Scottish
governments but many homeopaths believe that remedies can help lessen the
side effects of conventional vaccination.
The BBC Scotland programme examined claims that members of a small
organisation, the Homeopathic Medical Association - which has about 300
members across the UK - were offering replacement vaccines.
It approached the association' s six members in Scotland. Three of them said
they provided the MMR remedies to patients and said they would be happy to
do so again.
Ms Jarvis also claimed she could protect patients against other diseases,
like polio, tetanus and diphtheria. She claimed she had protected herself
against flu with homeopathic treatments.
NHS Highland - the health board covering Inverness - said it was considering
withdrawing funding for homeopathic preparations.
Bosses will make a decision on the matter at the board's meeting in October.
Chief operating officer Elaine Mead said: "It is important that NHS Highland
can demonstrate the quality and clinical effectiveness of all of the
treatments currently provided at times of more scarce resource.
It is right that we re-look at any investment in this area in the light of the current debate between clinical groups."
"All truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Schopenhauer)
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Sheri Nakken, R.N. MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
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[Liz Brynin]

Because you can go further? More research has expanded the uses of homeopathy.
Liz