Ledum?

[Joy Lucas]

Ah, I see you are still into accosting! Where is the speculation or guessing - in fact I do not want to know from you because there isn't any but if you want to rephrase your question I will gladly answer.

Joy

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[Joy Lucas]

Stanza, 153, 154, 155, Organon for starters.

Joy

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[Joy Lucas]

But clearly these books, references, won't include the proving notes I did on Ledum in 1982/83- where the head pains were hot > really cold water and lots of other fascinating sx. Answers can be found in all sorts of places - no quick fixes.

Joy

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[Luise Kunkle]

My question was:

Where does *Hahnemann* say that one may take one or several symptoms
of a remedy and extend them to cover other similar symptoms.

Just quoting the aphor, the place in the CD or article in the Lesser
Writings will do.
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[Luise Kunkle]

As to Ledum specifically:

You wrote

and as
for
Since am truly interested in the subject, I studied Ledum right now
concerning this aspect. (In Allen's Enc.)

It would really be interesting to discuss whther the hot/cold aspects
as exemplified by Ledum would be a good base for extension.

But since I am interested in discussion but will not subject to the
way you argue, I am not saying any more about it.

Anyone interested in these aspects should be interested enough to
check for themselves in the encyclopoedia or at least the MM Pura.

The way I did it was to run a search through the pages with my
browser, searching for "cold, heat, hot, cold water".
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So definitely know what's true:
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[Luise Kunkle]

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009, Joy Lucas wrote:

to which sentence in 153 do you refer?

*********
§ 153 Sixth Edition

In this search for a homoeopathic specific remedy, that is to say, in
this comparison of the collective symptoms of the natural disease with
the list of symptoms of known medicines, in order to find among these
an artificial morbific agent corresponding by similarity to the
disease to be cured, the more striking, singular, uncommon and
peculiar (characteristic) signs and symptoms1 of the case of disease
are chiefly and most solely to be kept in view; for it is more
particularly these that very similar ones in the list of symptoms of
the selected medicine must correspond to, in order to constitute it
the most suitable for effecting the cure. The more general and
undefined symptoms: loss of appetite, headache, debility, restless
sleep, discomfort, and so forth, demand but little attention when of
that vague and indefinite character, if they cannot be more accurately
described, as symptoms of such a general nature are observed in almost
every disease and from almost every drug.

1 Dr. von Bonninghausen, by the publication of the characteristic
symptoms of homoeopathic medicines and his repertory has rendered a
great service to Homoeopathy as well as Dr. J.H.G. Jahr in his
handbook of principal symptoms.

***********

or in 154:

*********
§ 154

If the antitype constructed from the list of symptoms of the most
suitable medicine contain those peculiar, uncommon, singular and
distinguishing (characteristic) symptoms, which are to be met with in
the disease to be cured in the greatest number and in the greatest
similarity, this medicine is the most appropriate homoeopathic
specific remedy for this morbid state; the disease, if it be not one
of very long standing, will generally be removed and extinguished by
the first dose of it, without any considerable disturbance.

***********

or 155

*************
§ 154

If the antitype constructed from the list of symptoms of the most
suitable medicine contain those peculiar, uncommon, singular and
distinguishing (characteristic) symptoms, which are to be met with in
the disease to be cured in the greatest number and in the greatest
similarity, this medicine is the most appropriate homoeopathic
specific remedy for this morbid state; the disease, if it be not one
of very long standing, will generally be removed and extinguished by
the first dose of it, without any considerable disturbance.

*********

(Remember: I am speing of "extension", not of "characteristic
symptoms")

Luise
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One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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[Joy Lucas]

Highlighted for your peculiar obstinacy. I am referring to characteristic sx of ledum, any rx in fact and if you cannot see how 'head pain, heat' and 'needs cold water' are not characteristic sx of a rx that can be brought together then I cannot help you. By deduction, if you have a case, e.g. that fits so well and you have thumb, pain, heat that needs very cold water this is using the sx of ledum perfectly well as the best indicated rx - this is how further cures are made with using characteristic sx and these can be added to the MM - Chris has written at length about this several times if you care to check the archives

perhaps the first part of Stanza 3 would be better for you - where 'knowledge of the individual disease' mixed with the knowledge of medicinal powers) and finding the most appropriate rx. or stanza 20, 24/25

Or even stanza 147 - judicious employment of proved medicines and using the greatest similarity to the totalaity of the sx, the medicine that will be most suitable (or thereabouts I don't have my books with me today)

etc etc

As I said before a stanza by stanza postings would be good for discussion.

Joy
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[Joy Lucas]

Well so pleased you are pleased!!!! Done and dusted. I was really quite looking forward to writing something on Ledum as Shannon was interested as well and I was going to link it up with Agar, also requested, as both have an 'icy' ring to them.

As we are soon to be doing a stanza by stanza appraisal of the Organon you will be able to look more closely at those relevant ones suggested.
Joy

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[Luise Kunkle]

Hi Joy,

I just asked you to mark the sentences in the aphorisms you referred
to where Hahnemann instructed to "extend" those characteristics.

I did ot ask you for re-evaluation of the umptiest time of my lack of
kowledge, inadequacies etc:-)

Regards

Luise
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One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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