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Shannon Nelson
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Constitutional [was: the combos conversation

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Hi Irene,
I'm intrigued by your observations!
Can you give a summary of the types and associated remedies that you've
observed so far? (If that's not too much for the moment?)
And the relationship between this an M/E characteristics is easily
drawn...
Can you give examples? :-))
Let us know when it's ready!

This relates to a debate that raged on one of the lists a good few
years ago, with one person insisting he was seeing good results from
prescribing "constitutionally" on basis of non-pathological features
(e.g. "friendly", and I wish I knew/recalled what else...)--that
remedies chosen in this way were helping his pts throw off their
various specific problems--and others insisting that "one mustn't", and
he must be imagining those good results. :-) At least that was the
gist of it, IMO. At the time I didn't remark it too much, because it
seemed similar enough to my understanding that, if the remedy suits the
*person* well, it is (in "functional" cases, I would gather?) not so
important whether it covers the *disease* state well. I've come to
realize this is a somewhat controversial position :-) , but have
seen it work out well! And to me it does make sense.

Two possible ways of treating a (still functional) disease--by treating
the disease-specific symptoms ("pathology only" rubrics), or by
treating to strengthen the underlying (what I would call) constitution.
I don't think what I'm describing is necessarily *quite* what you've
been talking about, but perhaps has some similarity in general. And
with your extremely ill patients, you've found it useful to treat with
both concurrently. Interesting!

Yes... I just meant what would more commonly be prescribed on.
Would you be willing to either post or send me?
Thanks again for this very intriguing set of observations and
experiences!!
:-)
Shannon


Irene de Villiers, B.Sc;AASCA;MCSSA;DiHom
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Re: Constitutional [was: the combos conversation

Post by Irene de Villiers, B.Sc;AASCA;MCSSA;DiHom »

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Robert & Shannon Nelson
wrote:
Irene de Villiers wrote:
you've

It is a big subject.
I've been working on this a little at a time on my vethom-friends
list. Perhaps you'd like to see what's therte in the archives - and
every now and then we add a new constitutional type and discuss it;
this week is Arsen alb.
You'd need to be a memeber and anyone here would be welcome. To
join:
vethom-friends-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Anyone else joining (whose email I might not immediately recognize
from here) please just shoot me an email at furryboots@icehouse.net
to tell me you are a Minutus memeber, as new memebers need to be
approved.
We use discussion and photos there, though to receve the photos
you need to be set to receive individual mail as unfortunately Yahoo
no longer archives attachments.

through my work in
these can

Ouch. M/E? Mental Emotional?????
are a few
what

More on vethom-friends within each constitutional type description.
But for example Sepia is not elegant in movement (though often
beautiful to look at) and dogs will have an odd gait at shows, cats
will sort of flop off chairs and often carry their relatively
shorter tail slouched at the rear. Phos will trot jauntily rather
than walk, long fur flopping up and down in longhair cats. Tail is
up and fur on it is very long though the tail length is deceptive
(thanks to long fur) and in truth is moderate length only. Sil is in
a hurry and walks everywhere accordingly but not such big strides
just fast ones, has long tail held up in cats with fur that drapes
rather than sticking out like Phos. Lyc has such narrow hips their
rear feet go one in front of the other and along with the very long
body there is a bit of a swagger type movement that results as they
walk. Lyc carries their super-long tail stright up but it tends to
bend over at the top as if under its own weight. Ars has shorter
arms/forelegs than rear legs and no bum flesh (too little flesh in
humans to hold up trousers) and you see the hip bones moving
prominently up and down in four-legged animals as they walk.
[snipped here]

innate individual.
from
features

Makes sense - provided the constitutional type matching remedy is
*additional* to the simillimum (or happens to also be the simillimum
for the illness as well which can happen too of course.)
I think using constitutional type remedy alone - is asking a lot of
the ill individual unless they are within constitutional type in
their illness. If I was to use one or other alone I'd use the
simillimum - matching the illness - and forget constitutional type.
To me that's paramount, the illness symptoms simillimum - and the
constitutional match (where differnt) is helpful but is an "extra"
IMO.
Well it seems to me (not having been there for the debate) that one
person had experimental results and the others were blowing theory
about with no empirical evidence?

treating
constitution.

OR both at the same time is what I see as most effective in illness
and constitutional alone is most effective in building resistance to
illness.

Thanks for the further discussion.
Namaste,
IRene

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary
Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."


Ellen Madono
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Re: Constitutional [was: the combos conversation

Post by Ellen Madono »

Hi Irene,

I am in the Vethom group, but have never learned how to use the archives. I have tried several times. As I remember I get a number search engine, not key word searches. So how would I find the constitutional files?
Your descriptions of cat constitutionals are priceless. I am not sure if there is a human equivalent for hair draping over the body for a Phos human or the human equivalent of a tail, but it is sure worth a try.

Will I also find the pictures of cats in the files?

Thanks,
Ellen


Irene de Villiers
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Re: Constitutional [was: the combos conversation

Post by Irene de Villiers »

Ellen Madono wrote:

It's the same for any Yahoo list - I'll try to explain, then please ask
again if it does not help:
First you do need to have a "Yahoo ID" (which I see you do) and to sign
in at Yahoo, using that ID plus password.
Yahoo will prompt you for those when you go to the group messages site,
which is here for members of vethom-friends:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ve ... s/messages
and is here for members of Minutus:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/minutus/messages

At the top of the page but underneath the nuisance banner ads, just to
the right of the grey "Search" box, you will see in fine print (in blue
usually) the word "Advanced".
Click that.
You will get a little menu of options to specify your search criteria.
Fill in something like:
author contains .... furryboots
subject contains.....constitution

Let me know how that goes?

Yahoo has upgraded their search facility relatively recently and
provided you use the "advanced" button, it is really powerful - you can
even search on a specific word within emails - and it searches properly
now, not just the last set of emails as used to be the case.

This makes all yahoo list archives immensely more valuable, so maybe
this info will also help other list members.

By the way - If you join a list by email command then you do not
necessarily have a Yahoo ID and it is worth getting one so as to use the
list archives.
:-)
thanks!
Well no, but there's a lot that fits.
Unfortunately not. Yahoo(seless) used to archive the attachments but a
while back they stripped off all attachments in ALL archives of all
lists, and there went all the wonderful photos to illustrate posts!

So now you have to receive the photos at the time they are sent - by
individual email, attached to the email in jpg format (which carries no
viruses). Only those "individual email" attachments are distributed by
Yahoo nowadays - they do not even go in the digest version any more.

If there are specific emails with photos you want and if I still have
them in my sent file, I can send them off line to you. Just tell me
subject and date as my sent file search engine is not so sophisticated!
Can't help with the cows, horses, dogs and other related photos from
other members though.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."


Shannon Nelson
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Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:00 pm

Re: Constitutional [was: the combos conversation

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Hi Irene--

On Jun 7, 2007, at 4:20 PM, Irene de Villiers, B.Sc;AASCA;MCSSA;DiHom
wrote:
Great, I will check it out!
Sorry--yep.

I've heard debate and experience on both sides of this one...
I think it must depend *at least in part* on how deep/broad/specific is
the fit with the remedy?? I know prescribers who (I think following
Mangialavore's teaching? and who else...) *do* expect the
"constitutional" to "do everything", as far as acutes and etc., *and*
have seen some examples of where it did indeed, *even* tho the acute
picture did not appear to fall within the range of the constitutional
remedy. I've also seen (and experienced) cases where that did not
work--they would say simply because the apparent constitutional was not
in fact a close enough match. :-) I'm doin' the ol' "open mind"
thing on it...
*Maybe* it also depends on how ill the patient is! To me that would
make sense...

Oh yes indeed!
Just today I saw a T-shirt that I thought summed it up nicely. (Worn
by a philosophy student): "Well that's all very nice in
*practice*--but how does it work in *theory*?" :-D Yeah, blow the
practice, if you don't like the way it fits with theory! LOL!

Very interesting! I'll enjoy chewing over this...

Thank you indeed!
:-)
Shannon


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