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Jeremy Crowley
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Seroxat drug pushers on UK TV

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Hi All
Did anyone see the programe on Seroxat on Panorama on Monday night? No
Surprises for most of us, but criminal imo. Here is a link to a transcript.
_http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/6317137.stm_
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/p ... 317137.stm)
Appologies if its been posted allready, too busy doing taax return, why do I
allways leave it till last minute and loose all the paperwork (Sulphur 10m?)
Or lets see if I can paste it in may be too long
Secrets of the drugs trials: Transcript NB: THIS TRANSCRIPT WAS TYPED FROM
A TRANSCRIPTION UNIT RECORDING AND NOT COPIED FROM AN ORIGINAL SCRIPT:
BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF MIS-HEARING AND THE DIFFICULTY, IN SOME CASES OF
IDENTIFYING INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS, THE BBC CANNOT VOUCH FOR ITS ACCURACY.
PANORAMA
SECRETS OF THE DRUG TRIALS
RECORDED FROM TRANSMISSION: BBC ONE
DATE: 29:01:07
JEREMY VINE: Hello, I'm Jeremy Vine and this is Panorama. The secret emails
you weren't supposed to see. The paper trail that reveals how results of drug
trials were glossed over to cover up a link with suicide in teenagers. Now
GlaxoSmithKline faces trial for fraud.
When you take your child to the doctor you assume the medicine they are
prescribed is safe and will help them get better. If your teenager is depressed,
you certainly don't expect the drug they're given to make them want to kill
themselves. But we've uncovered the story of how one company tried to hide the
fact that it's medicine did exactly that. Just watch this.
Reporter: SHELLEY JOFRE
Malibu, California. It's not where you'd expect to unravel one of the
biggest medical scandals of recent times, but that's exactly what this team of
lawyers has managed to do. What they've found affects all of us here in the UK,
anyone in fact who takes prescription medicine.
KAREN BARTH MENZIES
Lawyer, Baum Hedlund
It is all about the profits. Even when they have negative studies that show
that this drug is going to harm kids they still spin that study as:
"remarkably effective and safe for children."
JOFRE: This apartment is crammed full of boxes containing a story that
Britain's richest drug company has fought hard to suppress. There's an
embarrassment of secrets here that GlaxoSmithKline really doesn't want you to see, and
you're about to discover why.
So it's all stuff from the confidential GlaxoSmithKline archives?
BARTH MENZIES: Yeah, the internal documents, the emails back and forth, the
decisions that they make from the bottom to the top.
SHELLEY JOFRE
These trade secrets are usually protected by law but through a series of
legal challenges the lawyers have forced many of them into the open. Buried in
all these boxes are details about secret clinical trials programme that
GlaxoSmithKline began over a decade ago for its antidepressant Paroxatine, it's a
drug that's better known in Britain by its brand name Seroxat. It was hailed
in the 90s as a wonder drug when it was launched as a rival to Prosaic to
treat depression and anxiety. GSK later promoted it as a cure for everything from
stress to shyness. By the new millennium 100 million Seroxat prescriptions
have been written worldwide bringing in 2 billion dollars a year. With the
adult market also all sewn up, the company then looked for new ways to make
money out of Seroxat.
BARTH MENZIES: If they tested Seroxat for children they would get a six
month extension on their patent which means enormous profits. It would become the
antidepressant, being used worldwide for children in depression.
JOFRE: The documents in these boxes reveal how hundreds of children with
depression were recruited from around the world to take part in three large
scale clinical trials of Seroxat. The biggest of these was in the US and came to
be known as 'Study 329'. Its influence would reach right across the Atlantic
to British doctors looking for ways to treat depressed children.
STEPHANIE: She painted this when she was 16.
JOFRE: And this is Sharise.
STEPHANIE: That is Sharise and I just love that painting.
JOFRE: Six years ago Stephanie Gatchell took her daughter Sharise for a
hospital appointment in Northamptonshire. Sharise hadn't yet started her periods
and was worried about it.
STEPHANIE GATCHELL
During that consultation she became a bit emotional. I was amazed, she
started crying, and he.. I clearly remember him asking her: "Sharise, do you
sometimes feel like ending it all?" I couldn't believe it when she said: "Yes, I
do." And then he started talking about Seroxat and suggesting that she try
that.
JOFRE: Seroxat was only licensed for adults but doctors can prescribe any
medicine if they think it will help their patient. It's called: 'off-label
prescribing' and Sharise wasn't the only teenager getting Seroxat off-label.
Around 7000 children a year were on the drug in Britain alone. Within days of
starting on Seroxat Stephanie noticed a dramatic change in her daughter. She
became more confident but with it came aggression and worse.
STEPHANIE: One day in the kitchen her sleeve pulled up slightly and I
noticed that she... there were cut marks on her left arm. God! I couldn't believe
my eyes. She was obviously self-harming while she was on Seroxat, something
she'd never ever done before.
JOFRE: Stephanie persuaded her daughter to stop taking Seroxat but in 2003
Sharise went back on the drug without telling her mum. Her parents went away
for the weekend, not realising she was taking Seroxat again.
STEPHANIE: The moment I walked into the house I knew something was wrong. I
ran upstairs before my husband came in, and the moment I got to the landing
at the top... (Steph breaks down, crying) ... she was hanging... she was
hanging from the loft hatch. I tried to revive her but I... before I even started
I realised I was too late. I could see that. I could see it was too late, but
she was still warm.
JOFRE: Next to her daughter's suicide note lay a packet of Seroxat. She
instinctively blamed the drug, but she couldn't have known what its maker knew.
The company had tested the drug on depressed children six years previously.
One group took the drug, the other a placebo - sugar pills. The results were
unexpected: Seroxat proved no better than the placebo. In one study seven of
the 93 children who took Seroxat had to be taken to hospital. Some had
self-harmed like Sharise.
BARTH MENZIES
Baum Hedlund
It should have been the time where they at least by then started warning
physicians who prescribing this drug off label to stop prescribing it to
children, because not only is it not effective, it's not safe.
Reconstruction
JOFRE: There's no doubt the company knew it had a problem. The product
director for Seroxat in the UK admitted as much in an internal memo to senior
executives way back in 1998. It's one of dozens of emails and memos seen by
Panorama.
Email dated: 14th October 1998
"The results of the studies were disappointing. The possibility of obtaining
a safety statement from this data was considered but rejected."
JOFRE: In other words they knew they wouldn't get a children's licence.
[Email] "The best which could have been achieved was a statement that
although safety data was reassuring, efficacy had not been demonstrated."
JOFRE: They hadn't even shown that the drug worked.
[Email] "Consultation of the marketing teams confirmed that this would be
unacceptable commercially.
JOFRE: Publishing the data in full would put profits at risk. But if they
couldn't get a children's licence, could they find an unofficial way to market
Seroxat for childhood depression? Exit the doctors - enter the spin doctors.
They would help create a new story. Seroxat was safe and it did work for
teenagers. The inconvenient facts would be buried and the marketing people would
spread the good news to doctors around the world. Every stage in this
clinical process is contained within these boxes.
BARTH MENZIES: They figured out ways that they could downplay the risks,
blow up out of proportion the supposed benefits or the good sides of the study
and really downplay the negative findings.
JOFRE: The next step was to use apparently independent academics to help,
like Professor Martin Keller. Head of Psychiatry at a prestigious university
his name is worth a lot to companies like GSK.
BARTH MENZIES: They figured out well if we use opinion users in the field,
academics that everybody looks up to and the leaders in the field to sell our
product, doctors are going to be far more influenced than by just regular
sales representatives.
JOFRE: So just what quality should a key opinion leader possess. Here's
professor Keller in his own words giving video evidence to lawyers who are suing
GlaxoSmithKline.
Professor MARTIN KELLER
Brown University
You're respected for being a.... um... how to put this, an honourable
person, and therefore when you give an opinion about something, people tend to
listen and say oh, this individual gave their opinion, it's worth considering.
JOFRE: But how independent is he? In a single year Martin Keller earned half
a million dollars from drug companies including GSK. His name is at the head
of GSK's study 329 but how much input did he really have? In a memo Dr
Keller thanked a ghost writer for the initial preparation of the manuscript, a
ghost writer who works for a PR company - a PR company hired by GSK.
"You did a superb job with this. Thank you very much. It is excellent.
Enclosed are some rather minor changes from me..."
JOFRE: Here's another letter from the ghost writer to Dr Keller. It says
that all the necessary materials are enclosed so that he can submit study 329
for publication, even down to the covering letter which says: "please re-type on
your letterhead. Revise if you wish." Ghost-written medical research like
this is becoming a real problem.
Dr FIONA GODLEE
Editor, British Medical Journal
If the people who originally designed the study collected the data and
analysed the data aren't involved in actually getting right through to the
interpretation there are all sorts of slips and manipulations that can happen at
that stage which I think have to be against the public interest.
JOFRE: So just how closely did the honourable Professor Keller scrutinise
the data in his own study?
PROF KELLER: I've reviewed data analytic tables, I don't recall how raw it
was. The huge printouts that list items by item number.. you know, item
numbers, invariable numbers and don't even have words on 'em. I tend not to look at
those. I do better with words than I do with symbols.
JOFRE: A telling phrase. And it's soon clear the PR woman is making crucial
decisions about how to present the data. At one point a GSK executive
protests: "She's going too far in burying bad news."
It seems incongruous that we state it as safe yet report so many serious
adverse events. [email dated: 19th July 1999]
JOFRE: There were actually 11 such side-effects including self-harm,
aggression and suicidal thoughts. GSK suggests to the PR woman that she make clear
Seroxat may have caused all of them. But how's this for spin? The final
article says:
"Of the 11 patients only headache (one patient) was considered to be related
to the treatment."
JOFRE: The article never does explain how many children became suicidal or
explore whether the drug was to blame. Instead it concludes that Seroxat is
"generally well tolerated and effective." The next step in GSK's marketing plan
was to get the study published. Doctors rely on medical journals to give
them advice they can trust. The first journal GSK tried rejected the article, so
they tried another.
Dr MINA DULCAN
Editor, Journal of the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry
We rank, and this is a worldwide ranking, we rank number one in child mental
health and number two in paediatrics.
JOFRE: About as influential as GSK could hope for, but would the journal's
reviewers spot the flaws in the study? Normally their deliberations are
confidential but we've seen what they thought of study 329.
"Overall results do not clearly indicate efficacy. Authors need to clearly
note this." [3rd November 2000]
JOFRE: Another points out:
"A relatively high rate of serious adverse effects was not addressed in the
discussion."
JOFRE: And fundamentally poses the question:
"Given the high placebo response rate, are these drugs an acceptable first
line therapy for depressed teenagers?"
GODLEE: I think it's fair to say that what happened here is one journal
spotted the problems and rejected the paper. Another journal had peer reviewers
who also spotted a number of the problems but the paper was published
nonetheless relatively unchanged, and I think the journal must take some
responsibility for that.
JOFREE: Do you have no regrets about publishing this study?
DULCAN: Oh I don't have any regrets about publishing at all. It generated
all sorts of useful discussion which is the purpose of a scholarly journal.
JOFRE: Inside GSK, though, the discussion was all about what a failure study
329 had been. This is what another of its PR people wrote when asked if the
journal article would be publicised.
"Originally we had planned to do extensive media relations surrounding this
study until we actually viewed the results. Essentially the study did not
really show it was effective in treating adolescent depression which is not
something we want to publicise." [Email dated: 5th March 2001]
JOFRE: The same month the journal article was published, the third of the
company's clinical trials in depressed children reported back. Would this one
back up the company's public claims for Seroxat? Not at all. It actually
showed the children on Seroxat did worse than the ones on sugar pills. Yet doctors
at this time asking GSK for advice on treating children were told that study
329 showed the drug..... "was superior to placebo by several assessment
methods." No mention of the serious side-effects or the two failed studies.
Meanwhile GSK was telling its American sales reps who promote drugs direct to
doctors that Seroxat: "demonstrates REMARKABLE efficacy and safety in the
treatment of adolescent depression."
STEPHANIE GATCHELL: They have been deceiving the world... the population,
the doctors, everybody, and I think they've... what they've done is just
despicable. I'm very, very angry. It's an anger I don't often know what to do with.
KAREN BARTH MENZIES
Baum Hedlund
They didn't tell the regulators or the physicians or parents about these
risks or the lack of efficacy, instead they went out and promoted this specific
study as remarkably effective and safe for kids.
JOFRE: So what does that amount to in your view?
BARTH MENZIES: That's a lie. That's flawed.
JOFRE: This was a drug that doctors were told could help prevent suicide
when in reality it was actually making some children suicidal, a triumph of
marketing over science. Nearly five years ago I started asking questions about
Seroxat's safety in children, after reports of worrying side-effects in adults.
So did GSK and its supporters come clean about what they knew or continue to
cover up the truth? Back in 2002 I interviewed another academic paid by GSK
to work on study 329. Doctor Neil Ryan is an eminent child psychiatrist. He
was speaking at an American medical conference sponsored by..... yes,
GlaxoSmithKline. Dr Ryan told an audience that included British doctors Seroxat was
effective for a child who had depression. He didn't mention the small issue of
suicide. So afterwards I asked him about it.
Dr NEAL RYAN
University of Pittsburgh
It looks like in fact that the antidepressants overall lower the rate of
suicide rather than raise it. It's been a question that's really important
because it's such an awful outcome you can't treat people that are dead, you know,
but it's looking like it's not the case.
JOFRE: I wondered even then how he could be so sure. Back in Britain I
called him.
13th September 2002
I'm trying to find some more information about it from you because I know
you were one of the main authors and I think you had access to all the data
so...
RYAN: Yes, I've given you all I can give you Shelley. Good luck with your
story.
JOFRE: You can't tell me whether the children were self-harming or trying to
kill themselves?
RYAN: [No response]
JOFRE: Hello? Hung up again. Fast forward four years and the boxes in Malibu
reveal what was going on behind the scenes. This, supposedly independent
academic was asking the company that sponsored his research how to respond to
me.
BARTH MENZIES: If you look here he emails all of your correspondence to
GlaxoSmithKline.
JOFRE: [reading from file] "I'll call you again later today and you can
advise on how might be best to handle this." Who's.... that's somebody from
GlaxoSmithKline so he's forwarded all my emails to them and asked for advice.
BARTH MENZIES: Yeah, you see they are truly... these academics are truly
spokespersons for the drug company.
JOFRE: Back in 2003 I eventually spoke to a senior GSK executive and despite
what the company was admitting internally, the message for the outside world
was that study 329 was absolutely sound.
The evidence here suggests that their children might be at more of suicide
if they go on Seroxat.
October 2002
Dr ALISTAIR BENBOW
GlaxoSmithKline
No, the evidence is not there. There is no statistical difference between
the groups. The reality of the situation is that in this trial Seroxat was
generally well tolerated by this difficult to treat population.
JOFRE: That simply wasn't true. After the programme a staggering 67,000
people contacted us with their own Seroxat stories.
I did attempt suicide a couple of times.
I just put the point to my arms and just scrape until it bled.
I would cut myself with razors.
I did just want to die.
JOFRE: I kept pursuing this story but six months later Dr Benbow still
wouldn't budge.
BENBOW: These medicines are not linked with suicide. These medicines are not
linked with an increased rate of self-harm.
JOFRE: Professor David Healy is an academic who has long challenged the
company line. He's angry that doctors were deceived into prescribing a harmful
drug to children.
DAVID HEALY: If you'd heard the experts talk, they all say the drug was
extremely safe and very effective. We were all hoodwinked, misled, duped. They
produce these clinical trials which appear to be evidence and they aren't,
they're adverts.
JOFRE: Sharise Gatchell's doctor, like thousands of others, prescribed
Seroxat in good faith.
STEPHANIE GATCHELL
Sharise was prescribed Seroxat on the 7th May 2003. On the 11th the Panorama
programme was broadcast. We watched it together. We called her and said:
"Come and look. Look, Seroxat, you see, you shouldn't have been on it. Aren't we
lucky that you're off it." We didn't realise she was taking it secretly
again.
JOFRE: The following month some dramatic news.
10th June 2003
[NEWS]
Government's drug safety advisers have warned that the antidepressant drug
Seroxat shouldn't be given to anyone under 18 years old.
JOFRE: The reason: Seroxat trebles the risk of suicidal thoughts and
behaviour in depressed children. The medicines regulator had worked this out from
the secret clinical trial data GSK had finally handed over - 2 years after the
last depression study had ended. But it didn't come in time for Sharise
Gatchell.
STEPHANIE: I couldn't believe it! I couldn't believe it, two weeks after she
died. Why not just three weeks earlier or four weeks earlier, we wouldn't
have had that problem. Everything came too late for Sharise.
JOFRE: GlaxoSmithKline didn't want to be interviewed but told us the company
utterly rejects any suggestion it has improperly withheld drug trial
information and points out that Seroxat has never been approved for under 18s. GSK
rightly says that no suicides were reported in the children's studies, and
claims none of the individual trials were considered by GSK or independent
investigators to show a clinically meaningful increase in the rate of suicidal
thinking or attempted suicide.
A copy of the full statement is available on our website bbc.co.uk/panorama
But the boxes in Malibu reveal that the company did find a clinically
meaningful increase in 2004 when forced by the US medicines regulator to go back
through its own trial results. Miraculously they discovered a further four
children on Seroxat who had become suicidal during study 329.
KAREN BARTH MENZIES
Baum Hedlund
They discovered that there was actually a six fold increase in events
relating to suicide.
JOFRE: But how could all of this be missed originally? I mean these people
were academics, they were supposed to be objective and they were supposed to
be scrutinising the data!
BARTH MENZIES: It shows that they didn't.
JOFRE: In an email exchange I've seen, the supposedly independent
investigators seem surprised by this news. Dr Ryan tells professor Keller that:
"Unfortunately the extra suicidal cases were all on Seroxat, or Paxil as it's known
in the States." Dr Ryan was recently asked about this while giving video
evidence.
Q: Did you go back and correct your paper?
RYAN: The... the GSK was getting the data out there so it wasn't... there
was no erratum to the paper. This was a subsequent analysis.
Q: So no erratum to your paper has been done to your knowledge.
RYAN: To my knowledge not.
JOFRE: Toronto last summer, 15,000 psychiatrists from Britain and around the
world are here for the profession's largest annual conference. The whole
event is sponsored by the big drug companies. Martin Keller, the key opinion
leader, is here doing what he does best, influencing medical opinion. We weren't
allowed to film his speech so wired with a secret camera I caught up with
him afterwards to ask if he was worried about the high number of suicide
attempts on study 329.
Secret filming
KELLER: None of these attempts led to suicide and very few of them led to
hospitalisation. The thing is, you have to consider what are the alternatives.
Right.
JOFRE: So some of the unpublished studies showed that placebo actually
seemed to have more of an effect.
KELLER: Come on, you know better than that.
JOFRE: Hang on, rewind a second. Yeah, he really did just stroke me under
the chin.
So you still stand by.. you're still.. you'd be quite happy to still
prescribe..
KELLER: Absolutely. I think..... [averting gaze] yeah.
Professor DAVID HEALY
University of Cardiff
We're in a situation now where people who are ill generally have been deeply
betrayed by the whole process, deeply betrayed by the pharmaceutical
companies and by all the experts that have been willing to actually lend their names
to the process.
JOFRE: Do you think what happened with study 329 actually matters in a
broader context?
Dr FIONA GODLEE
Editor, British Medical Journal
I think what it tells us is that we do have a problem. We know that it's not
the only case and we have to work very hard not only to uncover cases such
as this but to work out how to prevent things like this happening in the
future.
JOFRE: This scandal shows just how tightly the drug companies control
medical research. In the US bereaved families have joined together to sue GSK
claiming it acted fraudulently.
[STEINBERG v. GSK]
[V/O pictures of victims] The case should come to court later this year and
if it succeeds the company could be forced to pay out millions of dollars to
the families.
BARTH MENZIES: This is Scott, 14 years old. This is a little boy who's 11
years old. He started taking Seroxat and he ended up.. he hanged himself in the
closet with the leash of his new pet puppy.
JOFRE: Stephanie Gatchell and her husband have moved away from the home that
holds so many awful memories to try to start a new life in Ireland, but they
just can't forgive GSK for concealing what it new about Seroxat.
STEPHANIE: They just kept on denying and denying and denying. A programme
like Panorama virtually had to force them to admit. When were they... were they
ever going to come out with the truth on their own? I don't think so. The
decision makers in that company should... you know, should be brought to
justice. They have a lot to explain.
JEREMY VINE: Shelley Jofre reporting. Now following revelations on this by
Panorama 3 years ago the medicines regulator here did begin a criminal
investigation but as yet no action has been taken. A spokesman said the
investigation is still high priority and now has substantial extra resources.
Jeremy
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