provings

[Joy Lucas]

As Sankaran, Scholten et al are not here to defend themselves are you not getting into the very perimeters of what you have been complaining about or describing (to suit your own feelings) such as defamation, high criticism, personal discreditation etc etc.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

[Richard Nash- Shannon]

Hello Joy,
Not sure if your response is to Shannon or myself. If to me, then you will have observed by now that I live and breathe criticism, defamation and just down right ornery behaviours if and or when it fits the music being played.

Best regards, Rik
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Joy Lucas wrote:

[Joy Lucas]

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Sorry Rik, not you, I should have said "Re the discussing about Sankaran, Scholten et al....." not the particular attached post.

Humour appreciated.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

[jill1313]

Sheesh! At least this list has confirmed for me a few homeopaths I will never consult...as well as a few I might want to! Their postings reveal their true nature--

I must say you gave me the best laugh of my day, comparing me to Michael Jackson and predicting that I may expire like him.

Now, since you have my name, go to my webpage and read my work, and you'll know better who I am. Also re-read my post. Defending classical homeopathy is not the same as verbally abusing others. And really for a profession of folks who want to heal at the deepest level, that behavior should be off bounds.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, healthyinfo6@... wrote:

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Couldn't agree more with you re the timing of learning those other techniques........
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit www.drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for articles and information.

[tg.partington]

I do agree with comments made by Fran and Chris and others.re Scholten and Sankaran. I have have had some breakthroughs by investigating materia medica further via families and position in periodic table and find myself looking at timing of hand gestures and going further into people's words a bit a la sankaran. But:
1. I have also attended some video cases that were absolutely apalling.
2.Although Sankaran says one should refer to conventional knowledge at some point, both he and Scholten use remedies that have not even been made yet, let alone had provings or clinical usage.
3. In the end they just fall into the old rabbit-out-of-a-hat scenario that they are allegedly trying to improve on.Not the first people to do that, though.
4.This does have a hugely demoralising effect on students who find they lack the magical touch or <15% is justnot good enough to build a viable practice on.
5. I also feel that as Scholten got all his initial infomration from provings (as did Sankaran)it is a bit strange to say now that further provings are unecessary! I believe Jeremy Sherr, who provided much of the info may feel similarly.I am not sure Sankaran has actually dismissed provings, though, in fairness.
At a seminar I did recently, I got the impression s I went through some cases that the students were quite surprised (almost cheated ) to find they could anticipate my prescriptions!
Theresa
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[Shannon Nelson]

First, I agree about the many drawbacks of teaching "advanced" material
before the basics are mastered, but--I think we also need to speak
separately about (a) whether the methods are useful (in proper place,
under proper circumstances), versus (b) whether they are being
appropriately used, taught, and learned. The answer to (b) does (from
what I'm hearing you guys say here) seem to be NO--and what a huge
shame!

I have occasionally seen cases published where the remedy was arrived
at by "unorthodox" means, and that prescription was *also* compared
with a "standard analysis." If the remedy chosen is a very "small" or
very "new" one, there's not much to compare; but sometimes I've read a
common remedy arrived at by e.g. Scholten's method, with good results.

In that regard I'm especially appreciative of De Schepper's "Homeopathy
and the Periodic Table," where he does exactly that--comparing
Scholten's predictions with descriptions from provings--with
encouraging result.

Shannon

[Carol Orr]

I agree, jill, I certainly wouldn't want to go see a homeopath who badgered me
into giving my symptoms, and then insulted me by furthur badgering by telling
me i wasn't giving the right symptoms and they needed more and better
symptoms. One does have to wonder if one is like that in one area of their
life, online, can we generalize that symptom to the whole of their lives.

[Dale Moss]

Interesting points, Rik. Mangialavori doesn't believe botanical "families" necessarily share the same characteristics, which is why his classification of remedies is "Belladonna-like" rather or "Arnica-like" rather than Solananceae and Compositae.
I've always had a hard time imagining my conservative New England patients free-associating the way Sankaran's Indian patients do so readily. Mine'd shut tighter than a clam if I probed the way Sankaran does!
Peace,
Dale

[Shannon Nelson]

Will Taylor explains that plant families are similar to human families,
in that there are some that "all look alike," and others that barely
appear to be related. He gives specific examples of the latter, but I
don't remember... And I gather there are "sports" even among the
families that are *generally* uniform.
Yep, I know the type! (Got a couple in my family, in fact.)

Shannon