First Do Not Harm

[Shannon M]

Hi Vera,
A bunch of questions leap to mind, but mainly I wonder why anyone would
continue to take a remedy that seemed to be making them worse? Were
they told to continue *regardless* of what changed, or were they
without guidance and thinking that maybe they just hadn't "taken
enough", or ??
Shannon
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[radha rani]

needn't be confused as it is a clear symptomatic occurance of conium employing in lower poteny. the legs as reported are paralysed. Should conium be given in higher potency , and wait until the patient attains a strength to drink a coffee atleast. Then among the dulcamara, acid nitricum, nitri-sub-dulcis coffea crude, one drug maybe given symptomatically. The doctore reported the case is highly appreciable, for the conscience and acceptance.such practitioners become stars and historians of homeopathy. A perfection will be achieved without a deviation.
I appreciate .
A rescue remedy from bachflower along with the administration of drugs as mentioned will always keep the patient away from any danger. carboveg and opium in our homeopathy too.......
when the patien becomes normal he might need kaliphos in 1M potency

VR VR wrote: I also don't understand use of constant repetitions of unchanged doses and potencies when Hahnemann spoke so categorically against it in 247, but I do know that many homeopaths who are older, wiser and more experienced than me use these methods. I prefer not to, especially since I knew of someone who died, I think prematurely, several months after starting to take a remedy in this way.
I was recently contacted by someone who felt her baby son had been harmed by constant repetitions of fairly large doses of homeopathic remedies, and was concerned that the damage was irreversible. Difficult to suggest coffee in this case! And hard to know what to say.
In the case you mention, it does seem that if the symptoms are still Conium, to give the remedy but possibly in different potencies and different ways (olfaction, medicinal solution etc.). Alternatively, to give the remedy best suited to the case at this time. Are you absolutely certain that the damage was caused by the repetition of Conium in this case? The patient is elderly, and may have experienced something else during the week of Conium that brought on a worsening in his condition - whether emotional or physical.
Vera
briut1 wrote:
Dear group,
I hear a lot about real damages that are inflicted upon patients with
administering daily doses (mostly dry 6-30 C or liquid LM without
changing the potency) especialy to those patient who are very weak.
First I would like any of you who uses these methods to think again
whether you sure that you are not harming your patients.
Don't forget that Hahnemann tried these methods and wrote very strictly
against it in the Organon. (and this is also true about giving the LM
in liquid, if it is not given properly with dynamization).
Please don't forget to: "First Do Not Harm".
Now, A patient, 94 years old, who is very ill today after had been
given daily doses of 6C Conium (which was probably the simillimum) two
month ago, and had to be rushed to the hospital in a critical condition
of rigidity all over the body and dementia, about a week after he had
started taking it.
He is now back in his home and his mental health is good but
unfortunatly he is almost paralyse in his lower limbs which depresses
his spirit very much because he is almost cannot move at all. He is
also much more tired now and sleep most of the day.
Can you tell what do you think would you do now to try and repair the
damage?
How would you antidote a simillimum given daily?
Thank you
Ben.
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[Tanya Marquette]

i am a bit cynical about homeopathy begin causative of this 94 yr old's
conditon.
no one has raised the question of whether it was simply a concomittant which
had not effect on the patient.

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[Shannon M]

But even *if* this is truly caused by the remedy (which I've a hard
time imagining, tho I like to "never say never"), why assume the conium
needs to be *antidoted*, rather than simply have its action gentled?
Shannon
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[radha rani]

NO it happens, otherwise Lachesis would even had been available in lower potency. Belladonna, conium, i saw damaging in lower potencies sometimes. But one should understand that what we call the damage is not the damage, but the keynotes or constitution of the drug is proved here. But let me tell you that it happens only with the week constitution.. I have seen a 7 years girl went into coma after few doses of belladona is given in 30 potency. The medicine was given in a school as a prevention of japanieselephantities or brain fever. But every one was ok .......but after a week a girl went into coma with highest temp, delirium and threatening bell symptoms. It is because her brain is already affected by brainfever earlier which was not traced. the bell administration led to aggrevation of symptoms. I was there tempted for Bell in 1 M potency for administration, but the parents with the fear and panic took her to ICU and after scanning the brain and all she
returned back after a month or so. they said a swelliing and infection in brain.
A single dose of Bell in 1M potency could have cured instead of expenditure. The conium in the case reported definetly cause the damage( we call it damage though it is not) when the patient has week constitution ......when The vital force is week to fight against the drug action ( here input of drug creating the desease)
the drug action prevail predominantly resulting in the symptoms of the drug.
repeated doses in lower potencies always damage when there is not sufficient vital force, or anemic, or week functioning of lever, or potassium and sodium salts shortage existance.
thak you

Dogs on Holiday-UK wrote: I'd ike to know how long, or over what period of time it had been given.
Had it been given more than once in a day and for how many days?
Christine

[Shannon M]

hi Radha,
There seems to be confusion and disagreement about so many low/high
potency issues... I was taught that it's usually safer and more
appropriate to use low potencies with people who are elderly and/or
very weak. Is your experience and understanding counter to that, or is
it only *repeated* low potency doses that you see to be possibly
harmful in the situation?
Thanks,
Shannon
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[John Harvey]

Ben, are you able to provide the missing information?

• Symptoms at present
• Whether new, aggravated, or old
• Conium regime

Thanks --

John Harvey

[muthu kumar]

Shannon-
I know that there are more superstitions about potency, more than
almost anything else in homeopathy.
Still I have seen lots of times repetition of remedies
indiscriminately has given rise to problems. I have seen that in many
cases. There is no high or low question here.

Having said that, authorities like Sarabhai Kabadia etc. have given
repeated high potencies and claim good results. In my own practice I
have usually given 2 or 3 doses of the remedy, and waited. The second
and third is supposed to moderate the effect of the single dose.

As a general rule lower potencies are advisable for the elderly but
without such repetition. I have found 30c is sufficient to start with
in the elderly. For remedies that are poisonous in their natural
physical state anything less than 30c not advisable. Lachesis, Conium
etc. ( As I adduced to before what Boericke says about Phos dosage is
always a good advice)
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[muthu kumar]

What is an antidote? Homeopathic antidote is the medicine that is most
similar to the picture. Since it is also dynamic it "gentles" the
landing as you want. It does not totally negate the effects - it
moderates. That is why a lot of antidotal remedies also are remedies
that follow well.

In this case, IF the dominant picture is still of Conium and the
assumption is that the remedy by repetition has caused the symptoms -
Conium in higher potencies and without repetition can antidote the
artificial disease ( caused by low potency Conium repetition) and
probably address the natural disease ( which also is Conium).
Antidoting does not take you back to square one.
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[Michele Graham]

I read an article on the net recently about a woman dying (probably) from
self administration of Arsenicum. See
www.curantur.de/English/Articles/Repetitions

Michele.