Bedwetting--Mentals reverting to Physical?

[Lydilos]

Greetings,

Where to begin.
I guess there are a number of questions and I'm sure for most of them the
classic answer of "that depends" applies.
How quickly would mentals revert to physicals? (that depends) with a 30C
Chamomila for four days on a 3.5 year old?

I have noticed a decrease in her fighting, capriciousness, disobedience and
sensitivities, but now she is back to wetting the bed and underwear (several
times during the day). There is nothing different in her life as far as
stressors go. She potty trained early at 20 months, so wetting the bed is
something that if she got angry during the day, I could almost guarrantee a
wet bed that night, especially in the last six months. Could time it like
clockwork. (you could say she was 'pissed off')

Could I be off as far as a remedy? as in almost but not quite?
I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts. I know this is very little to go
on and you can't read my brain, just the email. I welcome questions to help
clarify.
--
K Lydilos
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[andyh]

> Greetings,

((( Yes, Cham may be well-chosen but only superficial, and a similar but
more well rounded chronic rx may be needed.
and tends to gain its laurels primarily in acute complaints. One of its
"chronic" complementaries may be more appropriate, esp Puls (which can be
agg by anger (nux-v is a complement of Puls for example - Puls can be
irritable and agg by it). Puls is a remedy which is overflowing with the
water element (e.g. weeping at anything). Enuresis could be a vicarious
form of pulsatilla weeping outlet for the anger (Puls also "does"
vicarious outlets). Mag-c also a cham chronic analogue, but prob less
likely to be the rx -- but we dont have the other sx in the case.

Suggest evaluate Puls first. Some keynotes provided below.
Otherwise, look for something else peculiar and evaluate medical and
trauma/response history.
Have provided some complements and large inclusive rubrics.

Best,
Andy
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LARGE RUBRIC ELIMINATION USING THE TWO MAIN REPERTORIES TOGETHER
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BLADDER - URINATION - involuntary - nightRU+Synth
abies-c. ACON. AETH. agri. alet. Aloe alum. am-be. AM-C. anac. anan.
ant-c. ant-t. APIS APOC. ARG-MET. ARG-N. arist-cl. ARN. ars-s-f. ARS.
aur-ar. aur-m. AUR-S. AUR. bac-t. bac. bar-c. bar-m. bar-s. BELL. BENZ-AC.
borx. BRY. cact. calc-o-t. calc-p. calc-sil. CALC. camph-br. camph.
cann-s. canth. caps. carb-an. CARB-V. CARBN-S. carc. castm. CAUST. CHAM.
chin. chinin-ar. CHLOL. cic. cimx. CINA clem. coca cocc. colch. coloc.
con. CROT-C. cub. cupr. cycl. dig. dulc. dys. enterob-v. ephin-m. EQUIS-H.
EUP-PUR. Ferr-ar. ferr-i. FERR-P. FERR. FL-AC. gaert. gels. glycyr-g.
GRAPH. guaj. HEP. hyos. HYPER. ign. iod. ip. iris kali-br. KALI-C.
kali-chl. kali-m. KALI-N. Kali-p. kali-sil. KREOS. LAC-C. lac-d. lach.
laur. led. LINA. loxo-recl. lupin. lyc. M-AUST. mag-c. Mag-m. MAG-P.
mag-s. mand. Med. meny. merc-f. Merc. mill. morg-g. mur-ac. NAT-AR. Nat-c.
NAT-M. NAT-P. nat-s. nat-sil. NIT-AC. nux-v. OP. ox-ac. PETR. petros.
ph-ac. PHOS. phys. physal-al. pix plan-l. Plan. plb. plumbg-eu. PODO. pop.
Psor. PULS. quas. QUERC-R. rheum RHUS-A. RHUS-T. Ruta SABAL SANIC. santin.
Sars. sec. sel. SENEG. SEP. sil-met. SIL. spig. spong. squil. staph.
Stram. sul-ac. SULPH. SYC. syph. tab. tarax. ter. THUJ. THYR. tritic. TUB.
uran-met. URAN-N. UVA valer. verat. VERB. viol-o. Viol-t. visc. zinc-p.
zinc-phic. zinc.

CROSSED WITH

ANGER agg/AilmentsRU+Synth
ACON. act-sp. adam. agar. agath-a. aids. ALOE alum-sil. alum. alumin-sil.
am-c. am-m. ambr. anac. anan. ang. ANT-C. Ant-t. APIS ARG-MET. arg-n. ARN.
ars-s-f. ARS. art-v. astac. aur-ar. AUR-M-N. AUR-M. aur-s. AUR. bamb-a.
bar-c. BELL. BORX. bov. bros-gau. BRY. bufo cadm-s. calad. calc-ar.
CALC-P. calc-s. calc-sil. CALC. camph. canis-exc. cann-i. canth. CAPS.
carb-an. carb-v. carbn-s. carc. castm. CAUST. CHAM. CHIN. cimic. CINA
Cist. COCC. COCH. COFF. colch. coll. COLOC. colum-p. CON. Cortico.
corv-cor. CROC. crot-c. cupr-act. cupr. cycl. cymbop-ci. daph. dendr-pol.
dros. dulc. falco-pe. ferr-p. ferr. foll. fum. galeoc-c-h. GELS. Germ-met.
gink-b. glon. graph. grat. guaj. haliae-lc. ham. harp. hecla helodr-cal.
hep. hydr-ac. hydrog. HYOS. IGN. ilx-a. IOD. IP. iris KALI-BI. kali-br.
KALI-C. kali-f. KALI-P. kalm. kola kreos. kurch. LAC-E. lac-leo. LACH.
lachn. lat-h. led. lil-t. limest-b. lith-c. loxo-recl. lsd. luna Lyc. lys.
lyss. M-AMBO. m-arct. m-aust. MAG-C. mag-m. mag-p. manc. mand. mangi.
marb-w. merc. MEZ. MONI. MOSCH. mur-ac. nat-ar. NAT-C. nat-hp. NAT-M.
nat-p. NAT-S. nicc-met. NIT-AC. nux-m. NUX-V. ol-an. olnd. OP. PETR.
Ph-ac. PHOS. pin-con. pin-s. pitu-a. PLAT. plut-n. podo. porc-m. positr.
pot-e. prot. PULS. querc-r. ran-b. RHUS-T. ruta sabad. sabin. sacch-a.
sacch. samb. scor. scroph-n. sec. sel. SEP. SIL. spect. spig. spong.
stann. STAPH. stram. stront-c. SULPH. symph. taosc. TARENT. tax. teucr.
thuj. tritic-vg. tub. tus-p. ulm-c. vanil. verat-v. VERAT. vesp. vinc.
zinc-p. zinc-phic. ZINC.
RESULT:
ANGER agg/Ailments(intersection with)URINATIONinvoluntary
ACON. ALOE ALUM. Am-c. anac. anan. ant-c. ANT-T. APIS arg-met. ARG-N. ARN.
ars-s-f. ARS. aur-ar. AUR-M. aur-s. AUR. bar-c. BELL. BORX. BRY. CALC-P.
calc-sil. CALC. camph. canth. CAPS. carb-an. CARB-V. CARBN-S. carc. castm.
CAUST. CHAM. chin. CINA COCC. colch. COLOC. CON. crot-c. CUPR. cycl. dulc.
FERR-P. FERR. GELS. GRAPH. guaj. HEP. HYOS. IGN. IOD. IP. iris kali-br.
KALI-C. KALI-P. KREOS. LACH. led. loxo-recl. LYC. m-aust. MAG-C. MAG-M.
MAG-P. mand. Merc. mur-ac. nat-ar. NAT-C. NAT-M. NAT-P. NAT-S. NIT-AC.
NUX-V. OP. PETR. PH-AC. PHOS. podo. PULS. QUERC-R. RHUS-T. Ruta sec. sel.
SEP. SIL. spig. spong. STAPH. STRAM. SULPH. Thuj. TUB. VERAT. zinc-p.
zinc-phic. ZINC.
zinc.

Cham “Chronic” analogues (cham acutes lead to these rx for chronic) – PULS
(commonly), Mag-c (neuralgias, abdominal disorders, female disorders)

Cham complementaries (Rehman)
Bell, Calc, Grat, Mag-c, Mag-p, Puls, Sanic, Sil.

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PULS KEYNOTES
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PULSATILLA PRATENSIS (puls.)
Mind
- FORSAKEN FEELING, often expressed in the need for attention. They do
anything to fulfil this need.
- CONSOLATION amel..
- Yielding.
- EMOTIONAL, SYMPATHETIC, WEEPS EASILY.
- Often mild, but can be irritable.
- Changeable moods.
- Timidity, blushes easily.
- Jealous.
- Irritability before menses.
- Fears: men (i.e. opposite sex), dark, heights, narrow places.
- Fixed ideas, dogma's, can be of a religious kind.
- Praying.
Generalities
- CHANGEABLE SYMPTOMS.
- Hormonal disturbances.
- WARMBLOODED, agg. HEAT (but can be chilly).
- agg. SUN, WARM ROOM.
- agg. MENSES, PREGNANCY, MENOPAUSE, SUPPRESSED MENSES.
- agg. Getting feet wet, twilight.
- amel. OPEN AIR.
- amel. COLD APPLICATIONS (Guai, Lac-c, Led, Sulph).
- amel. Slow motion (Ferr).
- WANDERING PAINS (Form, Kali-bi, Kali-s).
- Ailments from measles.
- Bland, yellow-greenish discharges.
Food and drinks
- Desire: Cheese, COLD FOOD, CREAMY THINGS, ICE CREAM, (peanut) butter,
hard-boiled eggs, sweets.
- Aversion: FATS AND RICH FOOD, butter, pork, warm food.
- agg. FATS AND RICH FOOD, ice-cream.
Vertigo
- agg. Menses, looking upward, on rising, after eating.
Head
- Headache: agg. Sun, heat, hormonal changes, ice cream; amel. cold
applications.
Eye
- CONJUNCTIVITIS, allergies. Pain, itching amel. cold application (Sulph).
- Obstruction of lacrimal duct, yellow-greenish discharge (Kali-s, Sil).
- Styes (Staph).
Ear
- OTITIS, agg. NIGHT, heat.
- Hearing diminished from otitis.
- Mumps extending to epididymis or mammae (Piloc).
Nose
- Hayfever, agg. open air or amel. open air, agg. warm room, evening.
- Bland or yellow-greenish discharge.
Face
- FLUSHES of heat. Blushes easily.
- One-sided perspiration.
Mouth
- Dry, without thirst.
Teeth
- Pain amel. cold water.
Stomach
- THIRSTLESS.
Rectum
- Changeable stools.
- Diarrhea from ice cream.
Bladder
- Recurrent cystitis.
- Urination involuntary, agg. pregnancy, coughing, walking, sitting.
Prostate gland
- Prostatis, enlargement of prostate gland.
Male genitalia
- ORCHITIS, EPIDIDYMITIS; from MUMPS or suppressed gonorrhea,
agg. left side.
Female genitalia
- High desire.
- DELAYED FIRST MENSES.
- MENSES EASILY SUPPRESSED, agg. GETTING FEET WET.
- MENSES PAINFUL, DELAYED, IRREGULAR, CHANGEABLE, SHORT.
- Sexual desire increased.
- LABOR PAINS INEFFECTUAL, CHANGEABLE.
- Malpresentation of fetus.
Respiration
- DYSPNEA, agg. Lying, evening and night, warm room, after suppressed
eruptions.
amel. Open air, sitting.
Cough
- DRY COUGH EVENING AND AT NIGHT, LOOSE IN THE MORNING (squil).
- Cough agg. lying down in the evening, disturbing sleep, warm room,
exertion; amel. open air.
Chest
- Galactorrhea, especially in women who do not nurse a child, during
menses or in girls.
- Mastitis.
- Swelling of the mammae before menses.
Back
- SENSATION OF COLD WATER POURED DOWN THE BACK.
Extremities
- WANDERING ARTHRITIS.
- PAINS, amel. COLD APPLICATIONS, SLOW MOTION; agg. WARMTH.
- HOT FEET, UNCOVER THEM AT NIGHT (cham, Med, Lyc, Sulph).
- Pains in the heels.
- VARICES, agg. pregnancy, warmth; amel. cold.
Perspiration
- One-sided, esp. left side.
Sleep
- Position: ON THE ABDOMEN OR ON THE BACK, ARMS RAISED OVER THE HEAD OR ON
THE ABDOMEN.
- Sleeplessness from activity of mind, SAME THOUGHTS REPEATED (Thuj).
Skin
- Skin eruptions, itching agg. heat, night; amel. cold.
- Measles.
Compl.
Calc, Fl-ac, Kali-s, Lyc, Sil, Tub.
Dd
Arg-n, Calc, Calc-s, Kali-s, Lach, Med, Merc, Phos, Sil, Staph, Sulph, Thuj.

[Ismail Sait]

five-phos tablets are a specific for bed-wetting in
boys.
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[Lydilos]

This particular case is a girl, but my godson is a bedwetter. Wouldn't it
be more beneficial to take the case, or has phos been so prevalent in boys'
bedwetting that it is now a symptoms cure instead?
K
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K
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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi K,
How long has it been since the dose, and how many nights since she
started wetting regularly without her previous stressor? If you were
evaluating her "starting from now", what might you be prescribing on,
or how might you be describing her--I mean, has the fighting etc. been
replaced by anything such as sensitivity, clinginess, fearfulness, or
does she simply seem more peaceful now? Sometimes the new picture
takes a while to finish its shift, and you don't want to "shoot at a
moving target", re-prescribe while the response is still happening and
the new(?) picture is still clarifying...
Shannon
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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

My first reaction to this msg is : A LOAD OF NONSENSE!!

Bed-wetting may have many causes and these need to be thoroughly
investigated.

The relevant rub = BLADDER - URINATION - involuntary - night with
111 remedies listed.

Rgds
Soroush

[Shannon Nelson]

Cell salts work differently... Maybe more similar to an herbal
approach?
Shannon
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[robin9168]

I find 4 is enough

[Joy Lucas]

we shouldn't be encouraging 'specifics' - the full case needs to be taken

if chamomilla has >>> her emotional situation to such an extent then dosing should stop
and watch and wait (one dose of 30c might have been enough), if the bed wetting
continues then the case needs to be re-evaluated with a view to changing potency or
possibly rx but a profound change in emotional sx has to be recognised as such. Joy

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