SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)

[Jeremy Crowley]

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Booyse" wrote:
Some time ago I listened to a tape of Edward Whitmont? who said something
along the lines of 'No one criticised the Wright brothers for not designing the
Jet Airliner'
More importantly to me, no-one criticises the designers of the latest Airbus
for not sticking to the methods the Wright brothers used to make their first
'plane (out of string and bits of wood!).
Hahmeman was a genius, but I do not find the fact that a method can not be
found in the Organon as a reason for condemning it. We should expect some
progress in 200+ years, also it is generaly accepted that Hahneman used
alternating remedies, but to my knowledge this is not in the Orgenan.
I have been delighted to see such dignified and intelligent discussions on
these issues.A credit to us all.
Jeremy
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[Paul Booyse]

Hello Jeremy,

designing the
Airbus
first

My argument has been about poeple who claim that Hahnemann would support
some modern approach, when I can see that the new approach is totally alien
to Hahnemann's progress through the edition's, or even contrary to his
writings. There is too much said about what Hahnemann would have approved,
said by people who don't actually understand Hahnemann in the first place.
This does not necessarily detract from the merits of the new approach, you
just can't assume it's part of the 27th Organon etc.

Then one argue whether the new approach fit's homeopathic principle's of
healing, as a separate issue.

There is a lot of assumption that new approaches, often isopathic, or multi
Rx approaches, are progress. You will fall off your chair if you read an
invite I got today from a company to attend a lecture by a "homeopath" who
uses a clinical approach and will teach 4 steps to case taking and
prescribing the Sanum range. Excerpts include:

"don't waste time taking a lengthy case, trying to find the simillimum,
which in today's age is almost impossible"....... I nearly smashed my car
!! And this chap considers himself a true homeopath. Him and his colleagues
profess to practice advanced homeopathy.

Rest my case,
regards,
Paul

[dusty1197]

principle's of

*** I invite you, Paul, as a learning exercise for all of us, to
explain how the application and curative value of Electricitas (just
posted by Julian) in the **absence** of similarity to suffering
(which is the strict definition of homeopathy), but based **soley**
on etiology, qualifies under the definition of homeopathy and how it
acted according to homeopathic principle.

Toni

[Ginny Wilken]

On Tuesday, Jan 18, 2005, at 14:39 US/Pacific, jeremycrowley@aol.com
wrote:
And, in order to continue at that high level, I wish to point out that
your analogy is faulty, and in fact, the Wright Brothers have much in
common with Hahnemann in that they conceived, tested, and proved the
very same basic theories which allow that Airbus to fly. The designers,
in no matter what material, only work within the theoretical
limitations, physical realities which enable flight, just as a remedy
properly prescribed enables healing. Incidentally, Howard Hughes made
an exceedingly modern aircraft out of bits of wood, too.

Pardon me, but flight is MY field.

ginny
All stunts performed without a net!

[Shannon Nelson]

The prescription was isopathic ("same suffering") rather than homeopathic.
Isopathic prescribing in most cases will *only* remove the immediate effects
of the accident, whereas a homeopathic prescription frequently produces a
deeper healing response. (The isopathic prescription may *also* be
homeopathic to the case, and in that case the healing effects would also go
deeper; since we don't have the symptoms to compare in these cases, we don't
know.)
Shannon

on 1/18/05 5:30 PM, dusty1197 at dusty1197@yahoo.com wrote:

[dusty1197]

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Bob&Shannon
immediate effects

*** Shannon, would you mind sharing which principle this conclusion
is based upon and where in the Organon I might find support of this
contention?

(The isopathic prescription may *also* be

*** Not in this case, where it was clearly described by Julian that
the symptoms had nothing to do with the prescription, yet the rx
cured. Can you explain?
*** Yes, we do. Julian clearly described that the symptoms were
constistent with the injuries of the fall. So based on what
principle did Electricitas cure and are you suggesting that the
doctor whose work Julian has cited did not effect a permanent cure?

Toni

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Homoeopathy and
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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Toni,

Well, I can't claim any expertise on this! But will give my understanding
so far:

on 1/18/05 8:24 PM, dusty1197 at dusty1197@yahoo.com wrote:
I don't remember the Organon addressing isopathic prescribing at all, except
that it's often been assumed various places in our literature, just as many
people still assume, that "homeopathic" treatment means that the substance
that *caused* the problem, should be the one to cure it, e.g. giving
potentized peanuts for a peanut allergy, giving mercury in potency for
mercury poisoning, etc.

As to the idea that the isopathic prescription removes only the immediate
effects and doesn't cure more deeply, I guess that is basically just an
impression or understanding of mine, based (maybe) on my assumptions about
how these things work. No, I'm pretty sure that wasn't stated in the
Organon. I would (as always) certainly be interested to hear contrary
opinions.

Okay, thanks for the memory jog.
Still, tho, I don't think Julian gave *specific* symptoms. It's possible
that Electricitas does also include these symptoms??? For instance Murphy
lists this as a (small) part of its picture:
Head - Pains in the head, sometimes drawing. Bruise-like pain in
occiput. Crushing pressure in forehead, as from a stone. Shootings in right
side of head or from vertex to the temple and right side of forehead,
tearings in the occiput from the nape of the neck to the forehead. Painful
cramps in the head. Disagreeable shaking, most frequently from behind.
Violent pulsations (beatings) or else heat throughout the head.

There are also pains in the ears, aching eyes, clouded vision, difficulty
moving the neck, "nocturnal shootings in parts which are paralyzed"...

Julian, are you able to give more specific symptoms, to get a sense of
whether Electricitas might in fact have covered the symptom picture???

Here's another possibility: altho the immediate symptoms were evidently
caused by the fall, the (ahem) shock of the shock, so to speak, had claimed
the "attention" of the VF such that *that* was what needed treating, before
the body could deal with the fall. Sort of like a massively traumatized
person who wanders the streets muttering about the last thing they'd
said/seen/done before the trauma--not because that was the source of the
trauma, but because that was the point at which "overload" overcame the
person's ability to cope and to heal. It's only an analogy, but seems
reasonable to me...

Shannon

[J Lucas]

Exciting cause. You might want to read Sankaran¹s (DR P not R) book entitled
The Importance of Aetiology in Homeopathy. As well as Hering, Clarke, Allen
and Hahnemann.

Joy

http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 18/1/05 11:30 pm, dusty1197 at dusty1197@yahoo.com wrote:
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[J Lucas]

I am sure Shannon will reply and apologies to her for butting in but

Electricitas has a sensation of weightlessness in its sx picture and this
could very well be part of the fall and injuries received and thus very much
part of the prescription and that is why it cured. All depends on how you
present the sx.

Joy

http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 19/1/05 2:24 am, dusty1197 at dusty1197@yahoo.com wrote:
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[Julian Winston]

At 11:06 PM -0600 1/18/05, Bob&Shannon wrote:

[snip]
No I can't. This was told to me, as I gave it, about 20 years ago. No
sx were given.

JW