Dear Toni
I think by DEFINITION, there is only ONE remedy which is regarded as
SIMILIMUM at any one time, others are near similars.
So please explain the concept of a single similimum.
Rgds
Soroush
Message: 14
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:07:21 -0000
From: "dusty1197"
Subject: Re: Obsessive compulsive disorder
No, Shannon, what I meant by giving more than one remedy "at once",
is that I don't use a single simillimum at a time in such cases. I
should have been more specific.
SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
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Re: SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
Soroush, the "single" similimum is the remedy that applies to
the "single" dis-ease state. If a person is affected by more than
one dis-ease, then there is more than one similimum. You may not
agree, and I respect that, but for the cases that I have worked, I
have found that there is considerable truth to it.
Toni
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Finrod" wrote:
as
the "single" dis-ease state. If a person is affected by more than
one dis-ease, then there is more than one similimum. You may not
agree, and I respect that, but for the cases that I have worked, I
have found that there is considerable truth to it.
Toni
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Finrod" wrote:
as
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Re: SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
Hi Toni,
Various members have clashed heads on this question before
, but I'd
lvoe to understand--how does one decide what set of symptoms constitutes a
"separate disease" for another set? Maybe it's not essential (or is it?) to
make this division in any particular way in order to successfully prescribe
this way, but I would like to understand the process. (Maybe that will be
explained more in the links Robyn sent?)
Shannon
on 1/11/05 4:00 PM, dusty1197 at dusty1197@yahoo.com wrote:
Various members have clashed heads on this question before
, but I'dlvoe to understand--how does one decide what set of symptoms constitutes a
"separate disease" for another set? Maybe it's not essential (or is it?) to
make this division in any particular way in order to successfully prescribe
this way, but I would like to understand the process. (Maybe that will be
explained more in the links Robyn sent?)
Shannon
on 1/11/05 4:00 PM, dusty1197 at dusty1197@yahoo.com wrote:
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Re: SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
This discussion seems to sidestep the issue of the individual's susceptibililty, which frequently explains the wole profile of maladies a person has experienced. Obviously, the effects of physical or medical trauma frequently don't fall under this influence, and thus often require a different remedy. For what it's worth.... Rosemary
Re: SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
Rosemary, I had a case of a young lady who was very sensitive (basic
Phos constitution) and who, despite every effort on the part of
others to convince her otherwise, believed that she looked fat and
lumpy when she looked in the mirror. She spent a lot of time
assessing the reflection of her backside, convinced that she was
overweight and had too much cellulite to be considered attractive
and did not believe that she could be loved because of it. She was
diagnosed with anorexia nervosa.
I also discovered during the interview that the girl never got over
the death of her mother several years earlier. To me, this only
served to confirm the need of Nat-m. The unresolved loss was
directly related to the profile of the eating disorder manifested in
this young lady. Her sensitive nature predisposed her to the
effects of emotional trauma and Nat-m was an excellent remedy choice
for her.
Toni
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Rosemary C Hyde PhD"
wrote:
susceptibililty, which frequently explains the wole profile of
maladies a person has experienced. Obviously, the effects of
physical or medical trauma frequently don't fall under this
influence, and thus often require a different remedy. For what it's
worth.... Rosemary
disorder)
than
not
I
regarded
once",
cases. I
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Phos constitution) and who, despite every effort on the part of
others to convince her otherwise, believed that she looked fat and
lumpy when she looked in the mirror. She spent a lot of time
assessing the reflection of her backside, convinced that she was
overweight and had too much cellulite to be considered attractive
and did not believe that she could be loved because of it. She was
diagnosed with anorexia nervosa.
I also discovered during the interview that the girl never got over
the death of her mother several years earlier. To me, this only
served to confirm the need of Nat-m. The unresolved loss was
directly related to the profile of the eating disorder manifested in
this young lady. Her sensitive nature predisposed her to the
effects of emotional trauma and Nat-m was an excellent remedy choice
for her.
Toni
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Rosemary C Hyde PhD"
wrote:
susceptibililty, which frequently explains the wole profile of
maladies a person has experienced. Obviously, the effects of
physical or medical trauma frequently don't fall under this
influence, and thus often require a different remedy. For what it's
worth.... Rosemary
disorder)
than
not
I
regarded
once",
cases. I
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Re: SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
Sounds like it was an excellent prescription! ) Rosemary
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Re: SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
Dear Toni
In addition to Shannon's comments, I should be extremely grateful if you
would kindly explain how from the patient's presenting symptoms and the case
you take, you can decide that the patient is suffering from two ACTIVE
diseases at the same time, how each of these diseases has its own set
symptoms (ie how do you allocate a symptom to each disease) and how you
would repertorise them separately.
Please also explain how your statement compares on Aphs 34-45 inclusive and
274 of the Organon. See foot notes of aph 40 too. Did the old boy get it
wrong?
Soroush
Message: 11
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:00:29 -0000
From: "dusty1197"
Subject: Re: SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
Soroush, the "single" similimum is the remedy that applies to
the "single" dis-ease state. If a person is affected by more than
one dis-ease, then there is more than one similimum. You may not
agree, and I respect that, but for the cases that I have worked, I
have found that there is considerable truth to it.
Toni
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Finrod" wrote:
as
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In addition to Shannon's comments, I should be extremely grateful if you
would kindly explain how from the patient's presenting symptoms and the case
you take, you can decide that the patient is suffering from two ACTIVE
diseases at the same time, how each of these diseases has its own set
symptoms (ie how do you allocate a symptom to each disease) and how you
would repertorise them separately.
Please also explain how your statement compares on Aphs 34-45 inclusive and
274 of the Organon. See foot notes of aph 40 too. Did the old boy get it
wrong?
Soroush
Message: 11
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:00:29 -0000
From: "dusty1197"
Subject: Re: SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
Soroush, the "single" similimum is the remedy that applies to
the "single" dis-ease state. If a person is affected by more than
one dis-ease, then there is more than one similimum. You may not
agree, and I respect that, but for the cases that I have worked, I
have found that there is considerable truth to it.
Toni
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Finrod" wrote:
as
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Re: SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
And are you in a position to say how the Nat mur worked for her?
Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
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Re: SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
Dear Toni
You must appreciate that Minutus's membership covers people at all levels of
experience and knowledge of homoeopathy. Because Minutus has a role in the
education of members in Hahnemannian homoeopathy, if some one expresses on
Minutus a method which deviates from the instructions in the Organon we MUST
explore every detail of it.
Also it is therefore critically important that the information that is put
out on Minutus is correct to the best of the ability of members.
In your last mail you said you had answered me - Sadly I do not think you
have.
(I have an autistic trait so I need answers in a clear format please)
So as to avoid long discussions as to whether you have answered my questions
or not, I break them up for you and request that you please answer everyone
of them and then we can proceed.
1- How from the patient's presenting symptoms and the case you take, can you
decide that the patient is suffering from two ACTIVE diseases at the same
time?
2- How each of these diseases has its own set symptoms (ie how do you
allocate a symptom to each disease) ?
3- How you would repertorise them separately?
4- Please show the above in practice in the case you presented.
If I have not mistaken, you earlier comments could be read to imply that
your clinical work had shown that the old boy in fact got it wrong and your
combo prescription method works better. All I am asking is please justify
your statements.
Wish you well
Soroush
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:02:59 -0000
From: "Finrod"
Subject: SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
Dear Toni
In addition to Shannon's comments, I should be extremely grateful if you
would kindly explain how from the patient's presenting symptoms and the case
you take, you can decide that the patient is suffering from two ACTIVE
diseases at the same time, how each of these diseases has its own set
symptoms (ie how do you allocate a symptom to each disease) and how you
would repertorise them separately.
Please also explain how your statement compares on Aphs 34-45 inclusive and
274 of the Organon. See foot notes of aph 40 too. Did the old boy get it
wrong?
Soroush
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
You must appreciate that Minutus's membership covers people at all levels of
experience and knowledge of homoeopathy. Because Minutus has a role in the
education of members in Hahnemannian homoeopathy, if some one expresses on
Minutus a method which deviates from the instructions in the Organon we MUST
explore every detail of it.
Also it is therefore critically important that the information that is put
out on Minutus is correct to the best of the ability of members.
In your last mail you said you had answered me - Sadly I do not think you
have.
(I have an autistic trait so I need answers in a clear format please)
So as to avoid long discussions as to whether you have answered my questions
or not, I break them up for you and request that you please answer everyone
of them and then we can proceed.
1- How from the patient's presenting symptoms and the case you take, can you
decide that the patient is suffering from two ACTIVE diseases at the same
time?
2- How each of these diseases has its own set symptoms (ie how do you
allocate a symptom to each disease) ?
3- How you would repertorise them separately?
4- Please show the above in practice in the case you presented.
If I have not mistaken, you earlier comments could be read to imply that
your clinical work had shown that the old boy in fact got it wrong and your
combo prescription method works better. All I am asking is please justify
your statements.
Wish you well
Soroush
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:02:59 -0000
From: "Finrod"
Subject: SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
Dear Toni
In addition to Shannon's comments, I should be extremely grateful if you
would kindly explain how from the patient's presenting symptoms and the case
you take, you can decide that the patient is suffering from two ACTIVE
diseases at the same time, how each of these diseases has its own set
symptoms (ie how do you allocate a symptom to each disease) and how you
would repertorise them separately.
Please also explain how your statement compares on Aphs 34-45 inclusive and
274 of the Organon. See foot notes of aph 40 too. Did the old boy get it
wrong?
Soroush
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Re: SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
Hi Soroush,
If it's any consolation, I know pretty much nothing about homeopathy compared to most of you here, but even I could recognize that Toni's posts were not describing homeopathic treatment the way Hahnemann taught. I'm over on CHP and have taken Magda's basic intro. class. Also, one of that list's basic goals is to have us recognize when Homeopathy is being practiced as Hahnemann taught.
Thanks,
Diane
Finrod wrote: Dear Toni
You must appreciate that Minutus's membership covers people at all levels of
experience and knowledge of homoeopathy. Because Minutus has a role in the
education of members in Hahnemannian homoeopathy, if some one expresses on
Minutus a method which deviates from the instructions in the Organon we MUST
explore every detail of it.
Also it is therefore critically important that the information that is put
out on Minutus is correct to the best of the ability of members.
In your last mail you said you had answered me - Sadly I do not think you
have.
(I have an autistic trait so I need answers in a clear format please)
So as to avoid long discussions as to whether you have answered my questions
or not, I break them up for you and request that you please answer everyone
of them and then we can proceed.
1- How from the patient's presenting symptoms and the case you take, can you
decide that the patient is suffering from two ACTIVE diseases at the same
time?
2- How each of these diseases has its own set symptoms (ie how do you
allocate a symptom to each disease) ?
3- How you would repertorise them separately?
4- Please show the above in practice in the case you presented.
If I have not mistaken, you earlier comments could be read to imply that
your clinical work had shown that the old boy in fact got it wrong and your
combo prescription method works better. All I am asking is please justify
your statements.
Wish you well
Soroush
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:02:59 -0000
From: "Finrod"
Subject: SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
Dear Toni
In addition to Shannon's comments, I should be extremely grateful if you
would kindly explain how from the patient's presenting symptoms and the case
you take, you can decide that the patient is suffering from two ACTIVE
diseases at the same time, how each of these diseases has its own set
symptoms (ie how do you allocate a symptom to each disease) and how you
would repertorise them separately.
Please also explain how your statement compares on Aphs 34-45 inclusive and
274 of the Organon. See foot notes of aph 40 too. Did the old boy get it
wrong?
Soroush
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If it's any consolation, I know pretty much nothing about homeopathy compared to most of you here, but even I could recognize that Toni's posts were not describing homeopathic treatment the way Hahnemann taught. I'm over on CHP and have taken Magda's basic intro. class. Also, one of that list's basic goals is to have us recognize when Homeopathy is being practiced as Hahnemann taught.
Thanks,
Diane
Finrod wrote: Dear Toni
You must appreciate that Minutus's membership covers people at all levels of
experience and knowledge of homoeopathy. Because Minutus has a role in the
education of members in Hahnemannian homoeopathy, if some one expresses on
Minutus a method which deviates from the instructions in the Organon we MUST
explore every detail of it.
Also it is therefore critically important that the information that is put
out on Minutus is correct to the best of the ability of members.
In your last mail you said you had answered me - Sadly I do not think you
have.
(I have an autistic trait so I need answers in a clear format please)
So as to avoid long discussions as to whether you have answered my questions
or not, I break them up for you and request that you please answer everyone
of them and then we can proceed.
1- How from the patient's presenting symptoms and the case you take, can you
decide that the patient is suffering from two ACTIVE diseases at the same
time?
2- How each of these diseases has its own set symptoms (ie how do you
allocate a symptom to each disease) ?
3- How you would repertorise them separately?
4- Please show the above in practice in the case you presented.
If I have not mistaken, you earlier comments could be read to imply that
your clinical work had shown that the old boy in fact got it wrong and your
combo prescription method works better. All I am asking is please justify
your statements.
Wish you well
Soroush
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:02:59 -0000
From: "Finrod"
Subject: SIMILIMUM (was Obsessive compulsive disorder)
Dear Toni
In addition to Shannon's comments, I should be extremely grateful if you
would kindly explain how from the patient's presenting symptoms and the case
you take, you can decide that the patient is suffering from two ACTIVE
diseases at the same time, how each of these diseases has its own set
symptoms (ie how do you allocate a symptom to each disease) and how you
would repertorise them separately.
Please also explain how your statement compares on Aphs 34-45 inclusive and
274 of the Organon. See foot notes of aph 40 too. Did the old boy get it
wrong?
Soroush
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