Hi Nader,
I think I am missing your point.
I agree that if we cure the miasm (and have removed other exciting and
maintaining causes) then the person will be returned to health, tho I
suppose one can find ways to quibble here too (e.g., will curing the "miasm"
*in itself* cure something like a "bad attitude", or lack of purpose in
life? According to Ardavan's very interesting note of a while back, it
would not).
Is your point that we are not curing a "category name", but something else?
If that's what you're getting at I'll say Sure, we have two uses of the
word; we have the "category name", which names a category of energetic
weaknesses (represented by remedy pictures and by miasm pictures), and what
we seek to "cure" is not the *name*, but rather the thing that is being
named.
But I feel like I'm missing your point...
??
Shannon
on 11/14/04 1:55 PM, Nader Moradi at mn0021@issa2000.net wrote:
Miasms - Remedy Selection
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
I assume you are referring to chronic diseases which are caused by external
maintaining or exciting causes such as lifestyle, toxins, etc.?
Shannon
on 11/14/04 1:58 PM, Nader Moradi at mn0021@issa2000.net wrote:
maintaining or exciting causes such as lifestyle, toxins, etc.?
Shannon
on 11/14/04 1:58 PM, Nader Moradi at mn0021@issa2000.net wrote:
Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
Dear Shannon, I know your post is to Nader but wouldn't it be possible to
say that if one succumbs to a particular sort of lifestyle or a toxin that
renders them sick then this is indicative of a level of susceptibility and
of a corresponding miasm?
Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 14/11/04 22:13, Robert&Shannon Nelson at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:
I assume you are referring to chronic diseases which are caused by external
maintaining or exciting causes such as lifestyle, toxins, etc.?
Shannon
on 11/14/04 1:58 PM, Nader Moradi at mn0021@issa2000.net wrote:
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say that if one succumbs to a particular sort of lifestyle or a toxin that
renders them sick then this is indicative of a level of susceptibility and
of a corresponding miasm?
Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 14/11/04 22:13, Robert&Shannon Nelson at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:
I assume you are referring to chronic diseases which are caused by external
maintaining or exciting causes such as lifestyle, toxins, etc.?
Shannon
on 11/14/04 1:58 PM, Nader Moradi at mn0021@issa2000.net wrote:
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
on 11/14/04 4:15 PM, J Lucas at j.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:
Hi Joy,
That makes sense to me, except that at some point a stressor would be beyond
the adaptive of *any* organism (or any human or whatever), so not sure that
would count... Or maybe if one were healthy "enough" (and "enlightened
enough"?) one could, I don't know. E.g. huge chemical overexposure, or
living in an apartment full of one of those really toxic molds, or chronic
malnutrition? Maybe if a person is completely "healthy" and completely
"miasm-free" (and enlightened?) they could throw off any such insult, but
that's getting awfully speculative... I suppose it's a matter of degree?
Shannon
Hi Joy,
That makes sense to me, except that at some point a stressor would be beyond
the adaptive of *any* organism (or any human or whatever), so not sure that
would count... Or maybe if one were healthy "enough" (and "enlightened
enough"?) one could, I don't know. E.g. huge chemical overexposure, or
living in an apartment full of one of those really toxic molds, or chronic
malnutrition? Maybe if a person is completely "healthy" and completely
"miasm-free" (and enlightened?) they could throw off any such insult, but
that's getting awfully speculative... I suppose it's a matter of degree?
Shannon
Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
Nader Moradi wrote:
((( Dear Nader,
These folks appear to be lightly and philosophically referring to the original GENESIS of the miasm in question. Since there must be susceptibility to be "infection", but before the miasm existed there was no susceptibility, then which was first--the susceptibility or the microbe, or did they appear simultaneously. This was the chicken or egg conundrum--probably more a discussion of the past than the present.
((( Dear Nader,
These folks appear to be lightly and philosophically referring to the original GENESIS of the miasm in question. Since there must be susceptibility to be "infection", but before the miasm existed there was no susceptibility, then which was first--the susceptibility or the microbe, or did they appear simultaneously. This was the chicken or egg conundrum--probably more a discussion of the past than the present.
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
on 11/14/04 5:34 PM, andyh@mcn.org at andyh@mcn.org wrote:
...
OTOH, to have susceptibility to a *new* infectious agent maybe doesn't
necessiate a miasm for susceptibility--after all, we have certain
susceptibilities just by virtue of being living organisms, mammals,
warmblooded, complex multi-celled, etc.
Maybe the "susceptibility" issue applies more to *familiar* (or reasonably
similar) pathogens, to which the organism *ought* to be able to mount
defense? Just speculating...
Shannon
...
OTOH, to have susceptibility to a *new* infectious agent maybe doesn't
necessiate a miasm for susceptibility--after all, we have certain
susceptibilities just by virtue of being living organisms, mammals,
warmblooded, complex multi-celled, etc.
Maybe the "susceptibility" issue applies more to *familiar* (or reasonably
similar) pathogens, to which the organism *ought* to be able to mount
defense? Just speculating...
Shannon
Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
It was written:
After all, "miasm" means "susceptibility",
((( In the Hahnemannian meaning, Miasm refers to conferred/inherited susceptibility; referred to an *actual* microbial infection or influence in the present life that was suppressed (never resolved)--but especially and primarily--the transmission to offspring of unresolved disease in the parents and *ancestors*--including going back far into the history of humanity.
BUT "Miasma" *literally*--means a "noxious fog". The idea (I recall coming (again) from Malaria--was that swamp "miasma"--polluted or noxious fogs-- caused malaria. This was seemingly incorrect--right environment, wrong conclusion, as it is the microbe-carrying mosquito that delivers the parasite. HOWEVER, interestingly, Malaria officinalis (made from putrified swamp plants---was and is one of the remedies used for malaria prophylaxis. It is likely that this breeding ground contains the parasite that the mosquitoes become infected with during their larval development in the
water of the swamp. This explains the effectiveness of that rx as one of the prophylactics. But it still does not rule out that the the energetic environment of the swamp (which we do not usually pay attention to) has something to do with creating the disease or setting the stage for it. So miasma is a kind of "vapor"--it was their early 1800's conception of the quantum ether which what was taught until Einstein's era. James Clerk Maxwell proved it existed with his mathematics, and then Einstein's Relativity--which does not account for for the nonelectromagnetic universe AT
ALL--distracted people away from the idea. Nowadays, quantum physicists and string theorists posit an 11 dimension universe---but the rest of mainstream "scientism" simply ignores the ether (except for the military industrial complex of course).
Hahnemann presaged and realized (partly perhaps from the work of Mesmer and or his involvement with a society of alchemists, etc.) that the quantum ether (medium of transfer of nonphysical energies and (for example) telepathy)--was REAL. He was conversant with the idea that the "spiritual" environment of the world (eg 4th and higher dimensions) was significant ; though at least temperate caucasian "rational" humanity mainly deals only with the 3D and ignores energetic effects and realities. For example, most people ignore ghosts (spiritual bodies and consciousness of those
whose physical body has ceased operation but whose nonphysical bodies and consciousness did not leave the earth plane for the between-lives Bardo state-- and maintains a delusion and need that they remain fully human).
Hahnemann saw that the "vital force" was of the quantum ether--was "spirit-like". So for him, transmission of a potent echo of a disease never resolved in a parent or ancestor could affect the VF of the child during gestation and during life, molding them and setting the stage for susceptibility and suffering. The diseases which resulted ---resembled---but were not exactly like, the infectious disease which was the precursor in the ancestor or the earlier life of the client. He noticed and identified the most significant of these transmissions (such as the ancestor had "itch")
to a predisposition to skin problems and many other maladies (Psora, which Sankaran has undoubtedly resolved into several miasms instead of just one). Other patterns were recognized in relation to the original infection-- Sycosis; Leprosy; and Syphilis. I don't recall if Hahnemann described TB or cancer as miasms--this probably came in the 1870's and after, when Swan, Burnett, and others developed these nosodes and Medorrhinum and Syphilinum. Psorinum appeared around 1830, introduced by Hering. Leprosinum did not become utilized very widely until the last 20 years, since
Vakil's proving.
The Miasmatic theory of chronic disease meant that predisposition to disease and demeanor/nature in human existence came about through *transmission* via an energetic infection to the VF from previous generations without microbes (which Hahnemann did not yet know about). A "disease" was a pattern of susceptibility to inherent dysfunctions and external stressors. What we refer to as "constitution". This is of course what we treat with a resonant (only partly 3D) remedy which through the pharmaceutical process captures the "ghost" of the substance pattern. When it is above the
potency akin to the level of the disorder at hand, it can "annihilate" the miasm when the remedy is matched to the individual underlying and central pattern that is active and dominant, and only in that case.
Modern "scientism" ignores the ether---and so ignores the idea of miasmatic transmission, and thus misses the understanding of the forcing functions of all illness. Contemporary medical theory thus utterly fails to understand health and disease, which are, as Hahnemann posited, of *nonphysical* causation---and resolution if it has not manifested beyond repair by the body's own enzymatic and cellular building and healing processes.
For a miasmatic "infection", no titer of the microbe is necessary to yield the molding and profound effects on the pattern of health. I'm sure many have observed, however, how "tubercular" people, for example, will occasionally test positive for TB or the vaccination will not "take"---yet they do not have the bacillus nor do they have the "disease" tuberculosis. The energetic effect of the miasm is causing the test to read positive--by what precise mechanism I do not know---but it is "as if" someone has a TB infection but they do not. They "have" an energetic disease ---a
disease of the VF, of the nonphysical bodies---a miasm. When the active miasm has been annihilated, another one lies beneath it, as we are all afflicted with what we inherited from the VF of the genome of humanity as passed through our bloodline, and which interacts with the genetic stock.
Websters miasma--from Greek-("defilement, from miainein "to pollute" akin to Old English mal "mole")--1. a vaporous exhalation formerly believed to cause disease....(etc)
Best,
A
After all, "miasm" means "susceptibility",
((( In the Hahnemannian meaning, Miasm refers to conferred/inherited susceptibility; referred to an *actual* microbial infection or influence in the present life that was suppressed (never resolved)--but especially and primarily--the transmission to offspring of unresolved disease in the parents and *ancestors*--including going back far into the history of humanity.
BUT "Miasma" *literally*--means a "noxious fog". The idea (I recall coming (again) from Malaria--was that swamp "miasma"--polluted or noxious fogs-- caused malaria. This was seemingly incorrect--right environment, wrong conclusion, as it is the microbe-carrying mosquito that delivers the parasite. HOWEVER, interestingly, Malaria officinalis (made from putrified swamp plants---was and is one of the remedies used for malaria prophylaxis. It is likely that this breeding ground contains the parasite that the mosquitoes become infected with during their larval development in the
water of the swamp. This explains the effectiveness of that rx as one of the prophylactics. But it still does not rule out that the the energetic environment of the swamp (which we do not usually pay attention to) has something to do with creating the disease or setting the stage for it. So miasma is a kind of "vapor"--it was their early 1800's conception of the quantum ether which what was taught until Einstein's era. James Clerk Maxwell proved it existed with his mathematics, and then Einstein's Relativity--which does not account for for the nonelectromagnetic universe AT
ALL--distracted people away from the idea. Nowadays, quantum physicists and string theorists posit an 11 dimension universe---but the rest of mainstream "scientism" simply ignores the ether (except for the military industrial complex of course).
Hahnemann presaged and realized (partly perhaps from the work of Mesmer and or his involvement with a society of alchemists, etc.) that the quantum ether (medium of transfer of nonphysical energies and (for example) telepathy)--was REAL. He was conversant with the idea that the "spiritual" environment of the world (eg 4th and higher dimensions) was significant ; though at least temperate caucasian "rational" humanity mainly deals only with the 3D and ignores energetic effects and realities. For example, most people ignore ghosts (spiritual bodies and consciousness of those
whose physical body has ceased operation but whose nonphysical bodies and consciousness did not leave the earth plane for the between-lives Bardo state-- and maintains a delusion and need that they remain fully human).
Hahnemann saw that the "vital force" was of the quantum ether--was "spirit-like". So for him, transmission of a potent echo of a disease never resolved in a parent or ancestor could affect the VF of the child during gestation and during life, molding them and setting the stage for susceptibility and suffering. The diseases which resulted ---resembled---but were not exactly like, the infectious disease which was the precursor in the ancestor or the earlier life of the client. He noticed and identified the most significant of these transmissions (such as the ancestor had "itch")
to a predisposition to skin problems and many other maladies (Psora, which Sankaran has undoubtedly resolved into several miasms instead of just one). Other patterns were recognized in relation to the original infection-- Sycosis; Leprosy; and Syphilis. I don't recall if Hahnemann described TB or cancer as miasms--this probably came in the 1870's and after, when Swan, Burnett, and others developed these nosodes and Medorrhinum and Syphilinum. Psorinum appeared around 1830, introduced by Hering. Leprosinum did not become utilized very widely until the last 20 years, since
Vakil's proving.
The Miasmatic theory of chronic disease meant that predisposition to disease and demeanor/nature in human existence came about through *transmission* via an energetic infection to the VF from previous generations without microbes (which Hahnemann did not yet know about). A "disease" was a pattern of susceptibility to inherent dysfunctions and external stressors. What we refer to as "constitution". This is of course what we treat with a resonant (only partly 3D) remedy which through the pharmaceutical process captures the "ghost" of the substance pattern. When it is above the
potency akin to the level of the disorder at hand, it can "annihilate" the miasm when the remedy is matched to the individual underlying and central pattern that is active and dominant, and only in that case.
Modern "scientism" ignores the ether---and so ignores the idea of miasmatic transmission, and thus misses the understanding of the forcing functions of all illness. Contemporary medical theory thus utterly fails to understand health and disease, which are, as Hahnemann posited, of *nonphysical* causation---and resolution if it has not manifested beyond repair by the body's own enzymatic and cellular building and healing processes.
For a miasmatic "infection", no titer of the microbe is necessary to yield the molding and profound effects on the pattern of health. I'm sure many have observed, however, how "tubercular" people, for example, will occasionally test positive for TB or the vaccination will not "take"---yet they do not have the bacillus nor do they have the "disease" tuberculosis. The energetic effect of the miasm is causing the test to read positive--by what precise mechanism I do not know---but it is "as if" someone has a TB infection but they do not. They "have" an energetic disease ---a
disease of the VF, of the nonphysical bodies---a miasm. When the active miasm has been annihilated, another one lies beneath it, as we are all afflicted with what we inherited from the VF of the genome of humanity as passed through our bloodline, and which interacts with the genetic stock.
Websters miasma--from Greek-("defilement, from miainein "to pollute" akin to Old English mal "mole")--1. a vaporous exhalation formerly believed to cause disease....(etc)
Best,
A
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
hi shannon
oh! im just confused after reading all the mails abt remedy selection.
can't we 1st prescribe an anti-miasmatic remedy if we find a block and then give an indicated remedy?
can u give me some eg.,for these chronic diseases caused by the external maintaining or exciting causes......
regards
raji.
J Lucas wrote:
Dear Shannon, I know your post is to Nader but wouldn't it be possible to
say that if one succumbs to a particular sort of lifestyle or a toxin that
renders them sick then this is indicative of a level of susceptibility and
of a corresponding miasm?
Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 14/11/04 22:13, Robert&Shannon Nelson at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:
I assume you are referring to chronic diseases which are caused by external
maintaining or exciting causes such as lifestyle, toxins, etc.?
Shannon
on 11/14/04 1:58 PM, Nader Moradi at mn0021@issa2000.net wrote:
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oh! im just confused after reading all the mails abt remedy selection.
can't we 1st prescribe an anti-miasmatic remedy if we find a block and then give an indicated remedy?
can u give me some eg.,for these chronic diseases caused by the external maintaining or exciting causes......
regards
raji.
J Lucas wrote:
Dear Shannon, I know your post is to Nader but wouldn't it be possible to
say that if one succumbs to a particular sort of lifestyle or a toxin that
renders them sick then this is indicative of a level of susceptibility and
of a corresponding miasm?
Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 14/11/04 22:13, Robert&Shannon Nelson at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:
I assume you are referring to chronic diseases which are caused by external
maintaining or exciting causes such as lifestyle, toxins, etc.?
Shannon
on 11/14/04 1:58 PM, Nader Moradi at mn0021@issa2000.net wrote:
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hi Raji,
Well, you've said you are a second-year student--you'll be covering more
about it! (But personally, I still find "confusion" a frequent companion,
LOL!)
First: "Anti-miasmatic remedy" does *not* necessarily mean "nosode";
on 11/15/04 7:52 AM, raji balasubramanian at raji_bs2004@yahoo.co.in wrote:
?? First question would be, How do you know you have found a "block", unless
you have first given "the indicated remedy"--and been *certain* it was the
"indicated" remedy--and seen it fail? Or, seen it act well for some period
of time and *then* begin to fail?
When you are treating on a broader basis (e.g. treating "the miasm" not
merely the immediate presenting symptoms), you have to also treat on the
basis of a broader range of "indications"--namely, the miasmatic indications
as well as the "presenting picture" indications. Sometimes (often) the
"indicated remedy" is also the "anti-miasmatic"...
"Anti-miasmatic remedy" does not just mean "nosode"! Other anti-miasmatic
remedies include mercury, silica, calc-c, and many, many other familiar
ones. Anti-miasmatic remedies are those that have the power to *cure* the
chronic weakness and raise the entire level of health, not just to
temporarily relieve specific symptoms. But sometimes if you begin with a
remedy that goes "too deep" you can bring on crises if the person's body is
not strong enough or "too clogged" (eliminative organs) to manage the
changes, so "deeper" is not always "better"!
Some examples could be problems caused by: living with toxic mold; chemical
toxins; sedentary lifestyle; poor diet; irregular sleep patterns (e.g.
working swing shift), etc. I think Joy's point was good, that there could
be miasmatic underpinnings to why this situation develops and continues, and
also a stressor that makes one person sick, will not make another (healthier
and/or less suceptible) one sick. Hahnemann gives other examples in the
Organon, but I can't quote you an aphorism.
Well, you've said you are a second-year student--you'll be covering more
about it! (But personally, I still find "confusion" a frequent companion,
LOL!)
First: "Anti-miasmatic remedy" does *not* necessarily mean "nosode";
on 11/15/04 7:52 AM, raji balasubramanian at raji_bs2004@yahoo.co.in wrote:
?? First question would be, How do you know you have found a "block", unless
you have first given "the indicated remedy"--and been *certain* it was the
"indicated" remedy--and seen it fail? Or, seen it act well for some period
of time and *then* begin to fail?
When you are treating on a broader basis (e.g. treating "the miasm" not
merely the immediate presenting symptoms), you have to also treat on the
basis of a broader range of "indications"--namely, the miasmatic indications
as well as the "presenting picture" indications. Sometimes (often) the
"indicated remedy" is also the "anti-miasmatic"...
"Anti-miasmatic remedy" does not just mean "nosode"! Other anti-miasmatic
remedies include mercury, silica, calc-c, and many, many other familiar
ones. Anti-miasmatic remedies are those that have the power to *cure* the
chronic weakness and raise the entire level of health, not just to
temporarily relieve specific symptoms. But sometimes if you begin with a
remedy that goes "too deep" you can bring on crises if the person's body is
not strong enough or "too clogged" (eliminative organs) to manage the
changes, so "deeper" is not always "better"!
Some examples could be problems caused by: living with toxic mold; chemical
toxins; sedentary lifestyle; poor diet; irregular sleep patterns (e.g.
working swing shift), etc. I think Joy's point was good, that there could
be miasmatic underpinnings to why this situation develops and continues, and
also a stressor that makes one person sick, will not make another (healthier
and/or less suceptible) one sick. Hahnemann gives other examples in the
Organon, but I can't quote you an aphorism.
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
Dear Barbara,
I wonder that some homeopaths suppose miasm as a blockage to the cure,it seems that miasm is a barrire which block the effect of selected remedy to reach to the VF.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
in true chronic natural diseases we must treat miasm not other thing else,miasm cannot be blockage.!!!!!!!!
Kind Regards,
Nader
I wonder that some homeopaths suppose miasm as a blockage to the cure,it seems that miasm is a barrire which block the effect of selected remedy to reach to the VF.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
in true chronic natural diseases we must treat miasm not other thing else,miasm cannot be blockage.!!!!!!!!
Kind Regards,
Nader