Dear Simon,
It doesn't matter,you can answer to this one:how many miasms can be active
at any one time?
Nader
Miasms - Remedy Selection
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Nader Moradi
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
Dear Joy,
would you pls elucidate this part of your mail:"(I.e. diminish to the background to
a certain degree) the new disease. In this instance you would want to treat
the most dominant and/or dangerous but keep in mind the sx of the other.""
when the old strong disease repels the new one then how we must keep in mind the sx of the other?do you mean sx of old disease or new one?
again you didn't say in complex diseases that how you select your remedy?
Rgds,
Nader
would you pls elucidate this part of your mail:"(I.e. diminish to the background to
a certain degree) the new disease. In this instance you would want to treat
the most dominant and/or dangerous but keep in mind the sx of the other.""
when the old strong disease repels the new one then how we must keep in mind the sx of the other?do you mean sx of old disease or new one?
again you didn't say in complex diseases that how you select your remedy?
Rgds,
Nader
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
Dear Raji,
When Hahnemann said the cause of psora is itch mite?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!pls read CD and Organon.
Organisms have dynamic VF too, then treponema pallidum can derange our VF.!!!!!!!!!
Nader
When Hahnemann said the cause of psora is itch mite?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!pls read CD and Organon.
Organisms have dynamic VF too, then treponema pallidum can derange our VF.!!!!!!!!!
Nader
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raji balasubramanian
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
hi nader,
thanx!
ok i understand that these organisms too have vf so they can cause dynamic derangements .so r bacterias and viruses the causes for the diseases ?
Nader Moradi wrote:
Dear Raji,
When Hahnemann said the cause of psora is itch mite?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!pls read CD and Organon.
Organisms have dynamic VF too, then treponema pallidum can derange our VF.!!!!!!!!!
Nader
thanx!
ok i understand that these organisms too have vf so they can cause dynamic derangements .so r bacterias and viruses the causes for the diseases ?
Nader Moradi wrote:
Dear Raji,
When Hahnemann said the cause of psora is itch mite?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!pls read CD and Organon.
Organisms have dynamic VF too, then treponema pallidum can derange our VF.!!!!!!!!!
Nader
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
How many miasms can be active at any one time is the question.
The answer to that is in reality not determined by any predefined limit
but by YOUR OWN PERCEPTION of any given case.
For that you have to know WHAT YOU ARE TREATING, as DETERMINED BY CASE
TAKING.
It may be that a patient comes to you for an ailment due to inherited
susceptabilities, from a recently aquired miasm. or from an injury, or
all three.
Let's take the example of an injury:
If they tripped and banged their head was that psoric ( under-function
caused the in-coordination) or syphilitic ( predisposition to injuring
self) or sycotic ( they were in too much of a hurry) or all three?
Was this a one off? (can you know that it won't be the beginning of a
new tendency, or that they have an as yet undiagnosed disorder or
internal degenerative pathology that predisposes them?)
Was it part of a pattern? i.e. are they always clumsy, or in a
hurry, or hurting themselves?
If it was a child you may consider it differently than if it was an
elderly person, or a businessman, or a mother with 5 kids in tow.
The question could be argued 'til the cows come home ( tubercular
wandering; psoric slowness
)
The point is what are you treating?
The casetaking enables you to acquire sufficient information upon which
to determine your treatment.
regards
Simon King
ps how many miasms do you think there are - please list them.
regards
Simon King
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The answer to that is in reality not determined by any predefined limit
but by YOUR OWN PERCEPTION of any given case.
For that you have to know WHAT YOU ARE TREATING, as DETERMINED BY CASE
TAKING.
It may be that a patient comes to you for an ailment due to inherited
susceptabilities, from a recently aquired miasm. or from an injury, or
all three.
Let's take the example of an injury:
If they tripped and banged their head was that psoric ( under-function
caused the in-coordination) or syphilitic ( predisposition to injuring
self) or sycotic ( they were in too much of a hurry) or all three?
Was this a one off? (can you know that it won't be the beginning of a
new tendency, or that they have an as yet undiagnosed disorder or
internal degenerative pathology that predisposes them?)
Was it part of a pattern? i.e. are they always clumsy, or in a
hurry, or hurting themselves?
If it was a child you may consider it differently than if it was an
elderly person, or a businessman, or a mother with 5 kids in tow.
The question could be argued 'til the cows come home ( tubercular
wandering; psoric slowness
)The point is what are you treating?
The casetaking enables you to acquire sufficient information upon which
to determine your treatment.
regards
Simon King
ps how many miasms do you think there are - please list them.
regards
Simon King
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
Dear Raji
You wrote
"Hanemann has critised allopaths for mentioning the causes of the diseases
as virus or bacterias. But he says that the psora or the itch vesicle is
caused by the itch mite and syphilis caused by treponema pallidum."
Where does Hahnemann write about treponema pallidum PLEASE??
Rgds
Soroush
Message: 14
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 03:05:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: raji balasubramanian
Subject: Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
hi all,
a miasm is said to be a groove in the vital force that stands as an obstacle
to cure chronic diseases, is it the major diseases or deadly diseases r said
to be miasms like tubercular, cancerous,shyphilitic,and recently the AIDS?
Hanemann has critised allopaths for mentioning the causes of the diseases as
virus or bacterias.But he says that the psora or the itch vesicle is caused
by the itch mite and syphilis caused by treponema pallidum.
when vital force is dynamic in nature the causative for the derangement of
the vital force should also be dynamic.then why do these organisms cause
diseases?
raji.
You wrote
"Hanemann has critised allopaths for mentioning the causes of the diseases
as virus or bacterias. But he says that the psora or the itch vesicle is
caused by the itch mite and syphilis caused by treponema pallidum."
Where does Hahnemann write about treponema pallidum PLEASE??
Rgds
Soroush
Message: 14
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 03:05:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: raji balasubramanian
Subject: Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
hi all,
a miasm is said to be a groove in the vital force that stands as an obstacle
to cure chronic diseases, is it the major diseases or deadly diseases r said
to be miasms like tubercular, cancerous,shyphilitic,and recently the AIDS?
Hanemann has critised allopaths for mentioning the causes of the diseases as
virus or bacterias.But he says that the psora or the itch vesicle is caused
by the itch mite and syphilis caused by treponema pallidum.
when vital force is dynamic in nature the causative for the derangement of
the vital force should also be dynamic.then why do these organisms cause
diseases?
raji.
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Nader Moradi
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
Dear Raji,
Without Viruses,bacteria and other microorganism,can we have miasmatic diseases?
Nader
Without Viruses,bacteria and other microorganism,can we have miasmatic diseases?
Nader
Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
Obviously I agree with this Deciding too soon or too assertively which
miasm/s is active can be misleading and I also see this as a short circuit
to choosing a remedy, a method which can be full of problems. As I said
before if your choice/decision is wrong regarding the miasm so then will
your remedy choice be wrong and the case can be messed up.
However, I believe that our study and learning should involve understanding
which miasm/s each remedy pertains to - this not only helps us understand
the essence of the remedy but also helps us know whether a specific remedy
is applicable to any given case. This is a sort of reverse of deciding which
miasm is active which is why I say that deciding on a miasm can both help
and hinder.
I am worried that being over concerned about the active miasm encourages
some practitioners to opt only for nosodes (I am thinking here about some
recent posts about dismissing polychrests and then opting for nosodes when
there is a multitude of rx in between these choices). Of course if a nosode
is the simillimum it will cure and they might also be needed as
intercurrents to complete a cure, but it will always be the simillimum which
cures, the rx which fits the case. Whether a remedy is considered deep or
superficial, cure is always profound.
Re: the second part of your post - I always take the totality of a case,
although that totality might be a selective one but always guided by what
needs to be cured. Even in a complex disease the client will display signs
and sx of what might turn out to be a layered case - there might be a
massive amount of sx but you will be able to see some light in amongst the
fog and there will probably be an uppermost layer to deal with.
Some complex diseased cases can actually be much clearer, for example a case
of Conium that presents with both cancer and multiple sclerosis. There is
absolutely no reason NOT to take the totality of the case, all the signs
and sx and look for one simillimum. Each and every individual case will be
different.
Keep the eyes open and keep it simple is what I try to do.
Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 13/11/04 15:36, Robert&Shannon Nelson at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:
Hi Nader,
Re Joy's comment:
"I don't think it is an essential part of case taking to decide on what
miasm is active but it can both help and hinder. At the end of the day the
remedy has to fit the case first and foremost,"
this is a point I am interested in! Since, in my understanding, "miasm" is
simply a shorthand way of categorizing the type of basic processes involed
(e.g. destructive, proliferative, underfunction, etc. [what would be similar
key phrases for other miasms?]), you can follow the same processes without
using the word. But I think the idea would be the same--if you have a case
showing deep tissue changes, you will not be wanting a remedy whose action
is found to be only superficial, etc. I think another way to do/say this is
in Joy's phrase, "has to fit *the case*", not merely fit the prescribing
symptoms.
Re your question, I am interested to hear others' thoughts, but for a start,
I don't think you will *ever* "consider all the signs & symptoms"--you have
to choose the signs and symptoms that indicate (so far as possible) the
center of the case, the "disease" that is under/behind "all" of the signs
and symptoms. You have to recognize which signs and symptoms may need a
"remedy" such as lifestyle change, removal of toxins, surgery, passage of
time --in other words, those which are not part of the most relevant
remedy picture.
You seem to have a thought behind your questions--would you like to share
it?
Shannon
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Deciding too soon or too assertively whichmiasm/s is active can be misleading and I also see this as a short circuit
to choosing a remedy, a method which can be full of problems. As I said
before if your choice/decision is wrong regarding the miasm so then will
your remedy choice be wrong and the case can be messed up.
However, I believe that our study and learning should involve understanding
which miasm/s each remedy pertains to - this not only helps us understand
the essence of the remedy but also helps us know whether a specific remedy
is applicable to any given case. This is a sort of reverse of deciding which
miasm is active which is why I say that deciding on a miasm can both help
and hinder.
I am worried that being over concerned about the active miasm encourages
some practitioners to opt only for nosodes (I am thinking here about some
recent posts about dismissing polychrests and then opting for nosodes when
there is a multitude of rx in between these choices). Of course if a nosode
is the simillimum it will cure and they might also be needed as
intercurrents to complete a cure, but it will always be the simillimum which
cures, the rx which fits the case. Whether a remedy is considered deep or
superficial, cure is always profound.
Re: the second part of your post - I always take the totality of a case,
although that totality might be a selective one but always guided by what
needs to be cured. Even in a complex disease the client will display signs
and sx of what might turn out to be a layered case - there might be a
massive amount of sx but you will be able to see some light in amongst the
fog and there will probably be an uppermost layer to deal with.
Some complex diseased cases can actually be much clearer, for example a case
of Conium that presents with both cancer and multiple sclerosis. There is
absolutely no reason NOT to take the totality of the case, all the signs
and sx and look for one simillimum. Each and every individual case will be
different.
Keep the eyes open and keep it simple is what I try to do.
Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 13/11/04 15:36, Robert&Shannon Nelson at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:
Hi Nader,
Re Joy's comment:
"I don't think it is an essential part of case taking to decide on what
miasm is active but it can both help and hinder. At the end of the day the
remedy has to fit the case first and foremost,"
this is a point I am interested in! Since, in my understanding, "miasm" is
simply a shorthand way of categorizing the type of basic processes involed
(e.g. destructive, proliferative, underfunction, etc. [what would be similar
key phrases for other miasms?]), you can follow the same processes without
using the word. But I think the idea would be the same--if you have a case
showing deep tissue changes, you will not be wanting a remedy whose action
is found to be only superficial, etc. I think another way to do/say this is
in Joy's phrase, "has to fit *the case*", not merely fit the prescribing
symptoms.
Re your question, I am interested to hear others' thoughts, but for a start,
I don't think you will *ever* "consider all the signs & symptoms"--you have
to choose the signs and symptoms that indicate (so far as possible) the
center of the case, the "disease" that is under/behind "all" of the signs
and symptoms. You have to recognize which signs and symptoms may need a
"remedy" such as lifestyle change, removal of toxins, surgery, passage of
time
--in other words, those which are not part of the most relevantremedy picture.
You seem to have a thought behind your questions--would you like to share
it?
Shannon
on 11/13/04 1:58 AM, Nader Moradi at mn0021@issa2000.net wrote:
Clinical Guidance for Homeopaths and Students of Homeopathy!
http://www.shahrdarhost.net/Clinical%20Guidance.htm
ATTENTION PLEASE:
The Minutus Group is established purely for the promotion of Homoeopathy and
educational benefit of its members. It makes no representations regarding
the individual suitability of the information contained in any document read
or advice or recommendation offered which appears on this website and/or
email postings for any purpose. The entire risk arising out of their use
remains with the recipient. In no event shall the minutus site or its
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