hi shannon,
how is it possible to have 2 miasms active at the same time?will not the stronger one suspend the other?
raji.
Robert&Shannon Nelson wrote:
Hi Raji,
My understanding is the same as yours, that you treat only the *active*
miasm(s). Of course many remedies can treat more than one miasm, and a case
may have more than one miasm active at the same time too. I think that
Soroush is coming from the same perspective, but is just wondering to what
extent various of us actually take that into account in remedy choice?
Shannon
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Miasms - Remedy Selection
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
Dear Simon,
I said "suppose", not the patient has really 10 active miasm.
Nader
I said "suppose", not the patient has really 10 active miasm.
Nader
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
As I said, many remedies are related to more than one miasm. If I see two
active miasms, I will (if I am thinking along those lines) look for a remedy
whose basic processes cover both of the active miasms, in addition to
covering the symptoms I am prescribing for.
No, I would never prescribe ten remedies at once, because I practice the
classical method. The Organon does mention the possibility of a person
having two dissimilar diseases coexisting, and the recommended method in
that case is to treat the two diseases alternately, rather than
simultaneously. How one *recognizes* that situation I have always been
unsure of--can anyone comment?
Shannon
on 11/13/04 1:38 AM, Nader Moradi at mn0021@issa2000.net wrote:
active miasms, I will (if I am thinking along those lines) look for a remedy
whose basic processes cover both of the active miasms, in addition to
covering the symptoms I am prescribing for.
No, I would never prescribe ten remedies at once, because I practice the
classical method. The Organon does mention the possibility of a person
having two dissimilar diseases coexisting, and the recommended method in
that case is to treat the two diseases alternately, rather than
simultaneously. How one *recognizes* that situation I have always been
unsure of--can anyone comment?
Shannon
on 11/13/04 1:38 AM, Nader Moradi at mn0021@issa2000.net wrote:
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
Hi Nader,
Re Joy's comment:
"I don't think it is an essential part of case taking to decide on what
miasm is active but it can both help and hinder. At the end of the day the
remedy has to fit the case first and foremost,"
this is a point I am interested in! Since, in my understanding, "miasm" is
simply a shorthand way of categorizing the type of basic processes involed
(e.g. destructive, proliferative, underfunction, etc. [what would be similar
key phrases for other miasms?]), you can follow the same processes without
using the word. But I think the idea would be the same--if you have a case
showing deep tissue changes, you will not be wanting a remedy whose action
is found to be only superficial, etc. I think another way to do/say this is
in Joy's phrase, "has to fit *the case*", not merely fit the prescribing
symptoms.
Re your question, I am interested to hear others' thoughts, but for a start,
I don't think you will *ever* "consider all the signs & symptoms"--you have
to choose the signs and symptoms that indicate (so far as possible) the
center of the case, the "disease" that is under/behind "all" of the signs
and symptoms. You have to recognize which signs and symptoms may need a
"remedy" such as lifestyle change, removal of toxins, surgery, passage of
time
--in other words, those which are not part of the most relevant
remedy picture.
You seem to have a thought behind your questions--would you like to share
it?
Shannon
on 11/13/04 1:58 AM, Nader Moradi at mn0021@issa2000.net wrote:
Re Joy's comment:
"I don't think it is an essential part of case taking to decide on what
miasm is active but it can both help and hinder. At the end of the day the
remedy has to fit the case first and foremost,"
this is a point I am interested in! Since, in my understanding, "miasm" is
simply a shorthand way of categorizing the type of basic processes involed
(e.g. destructive, proliferative, underfunction, etc. [what would be similar
key phrases for other miasms?]), you can follow the same processes without
using the word. But I think the idea would be the same--if you have a case
showing deep tissue changes, you will not be wanting a remedy whose action
is found to be only superficial, etc. I think another way to do/say this is
in Joy's phrase, "has to fit *the case*", not merely fit the prescribing
symptoms.
Re your question, I am interested to hear others' thoughts, but for a start,
I don't think you will *ever* "consider all the signs & symptoms"--you have
to choose the signs and symptoms that indicate (so far as possible) the
center of the case, the "disease" that is under/behind "all" of the signs
and symptoms. You have to recognize which signs and symptoms may need a
"remedy" such as lifestyle change, removal of toxins, surgery, passage of
time
--in other words, those which are not part of the most relevantremedy picture.
You seem to have a thought behind your questions--would you like to share
it?
Shannon
on 11/13/04 1:58 AM, Nader Moradi at mn0021@issa2000.net wrote:
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
This puts me into an area I do not feel very confident or competent in! But
I think that would be an example of what's called a complex disease, where
more than one disease have combined together (instead of taking the more
usual route, where the stronger suspends the weaker). In my work so far
(which has been a very small "practice" confined to friends and family) I
tend to focus more on "the remedy", and take note of the miasm as more of a
background consideration (and also because my family has needed a lot of
nosodes over the years!).
I think that a Medorrhinum picture is one that could easily be expressing
two miasms (tubercular, with which it is closely associated) and sycotic
(with which it has been *more* associated, tho incorrectly according to Will
Taylor!): E.g. from the case of a child who did well on it--he had the wild
swings of energy and mood that I associate with sycotic miasm (instability,
excess) and also tubercular (mischievous, sparkly eyes, restless,
"romantic"). *Maybe* this is an example of two active miasms, which were
both nicely covered by a single remedy?
I would love to hear others' input on (any of) this.
Shannon
on 11/13/04 6:21 AM, raji balasubramanian at raji_bs2004@yahoo.co.in wrote:
I think that would be an example of what's called a complex disease, where
more than one disease have combined together (instead of taking the more
usual route, where the stronger suspends the weaker). In my work so far
(which has been a very small "practice" confined to friends and family) I
tend to focus more on "the remedy", and take note of the miasm as more of a
background consideration (and also because my family has needed a lot of
nosodes over the years!).
I think that a Medorrhinum picture is one that could easily be expressing
two miasms (tubercular, with which it is closely associated) and sycotic
(with which it has been *more* associated, tho incorrectly according to Will
Taylor!): E.g. from the case of a child who did well on it--he had the wild
swings of energy and mood that I associate with sycotic miasm (instability,
excess) and also tubercular (mischievous, sparkly eyes, restless,
"romantic"). *Maybe* this is an example of two active miasms, which were
both nicely covered by a single remedy?
I would love to hear others' input on (any of) this.
Shannon
on 11/13/04 6:21 AM, raji balasubramanian at raji_bs2004@yahoo.co.in wrote:
Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
So were you really asking how many miasms can be active at any one time?
regards
Simon King
regards
Simon King
Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
In stanzas 36 + Hahnemann gives examples of dissimilar diseases - if the
older disease is stronger it will repel (i.e. diminish to the background to
a certain degree) the new disease. In this instance you would want to treat
the most dominant and/or dangerous but keep in mind the sx of the other.
But the new disease might be stronger than the old one - again it will
determine how you manage the case - treat the most dominant or dangerous and
keep in mind the remainder.
But the 2 dissimilar diseases can combine to make a complex disease and in
this case they do not repel each other.
He gives an example of epilepsy and ringworm alternating with each other and
mania and phthisis also - eczema and asthma would be another good example -
all examples of a stronger disease taking over from another. This is more
likely to happen with chronic disease, rarely acutes (although this can
happen).
The difficult bit comes when the 2 dissimilar disease join together to make
a complex case - when one cannot repel the other.
Here Hahnemann mentions how 2 miasms merge (syphilitic with psoric is one
example - venereal sx merge with a psoric eruption). Someone mentioned 10
miasms merging, why not, maybe in the future, maybe already. Much work is
being done now on realising a number of new miasms, many more than Hahnemann
wrote about, so as the modern world becomes so much more complex so might
the merging of miasmatic states.
The important aspect of what Hahnemann says is that when this happens
specific parts of the organism are involved - "each involves those parts of
the organism only which are most adapted for it and the patient is thereby
rendered more diseased and more difficult to cure."
These cases can seem incurable, may be incurable, they will be very sick
people but we never give up hope or help.
Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 13/11/04 15:23, Robert&Shannon Nelson at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:
As I said, many remedies are related to more than one miasm. If I see two
active miasms, I will (if I am thinking along those lines) look for a remedy
whose basic processes cover both of the active miasms, in addition to
covering the symptoms I am prescribing for.
No, I would never prescribe ten remedies at once, because I practice the
classical method. The Organon does mention the possibility of a person
having two dissimilar diseases coexisting, and the recommended method in
that case is to treat the two diseases alternately, rather than
simultaneously. How one *recognizes* that situation I have always been
unsure of--can anyone comment?
Shannon
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older disease is stronger it will repel (i.e. diminish to the background to
a certain degree) the new disease. In this instance you would want to treat
the most dominant and/or dangerous but keep in mind the sx of the other.
But the new disease might be stronger than the old one - again it will
determine how you manage the case - treat the most dominant or dangerous and
keep in mind the remainder.
But the 2 dissimilar diseases can combine to make a complex disease and in
this case they do not repel each other.
He gives an example of epilepsy and ringworm alternating with each other and
mania and phthisis also - eczema and asthma would be another good example -
all examples of a stronger disease taking over from another. This is more
likely to happen with chronic disease, rarely acutes (although this can
happen).
The difficult bit comes when the 2 dissimilar disease join together to make
a complex case - when one cannot repel the other.
Here Hahnemann mentions how 2 miasms merge (syphilitic with psoric is one
example - venereal sx merge with a psoric eruption). Someone mentioned 10
miasms merging, why not, maybe in the future, maybe already. Much work is
being done now on realising a number of new miasms, many more than Hahnemann
wrote about, so as the modern world becomes so much more complex so might
the merging of miasmatic states.
The important aspect of what Hahnemann says is that when this happens
specific parts of the organism are involved - "each involves those parts of
the organism only which are most adapted for it and the patient is thereby
rendered more diseased and more difficult to cure."
These cases can seem incurable, may be incurable, they will be very sick
people but we never give up hope or help.
Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 13/11/04 15:23, Robert&Shannon Nelson at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:
As I said, many remedies are related to more than one miasm. If I see two
active miasms, I will (if I am thinking along those lines) look for a remedy
whose basic processes cover both of the active miasms, in addition to
covering the symptoms I am prescribing for.
No, I would never prescribe ten remedies at once, because I practice the
classical method. The Organon does mention the possibility of a person
having two dissimilar diseases coexisting, and the recommended method in
that case is to treat the two diseases alternately, rather than
simultaneously. How one *recognizes* that situation I have always been
unsure of--can anyone comment?
Shannon
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
hi all,
a miasm is said to be a groove in the vital force that stands as an obstacle to cure chronic diseases, is it the major diseases or deadly diseases r said to be miasms like tubercular, cancerous,shyphilitic,and recently the AIDS?
Hanemann has critised allopaths for mentioning the causes of the diseases as virus or bacterias.But he says that the psora
or the itch vesicle is caused by the itch mite and syphilis caused by treponema pallidum.
when vital force is dynamic in nature the causative for the derangement of the vital force should also be dynamic.then why do these organisms cause diseases?
raji.
J Lucas wrote:
In stanzas 36 + Hahnemann gives examples of dissimilar diseases - if the
older disease is stronger it will repel (i.e. diminish to the background to
a certain degree) the new disease. In this instance you would want to treat
the most dominant and/or dangerous but keep in mind the sx of the other.
But the new disease might be stronger than the old one - again it will
determine how you manage the case - treat the most dominant or dangerous and
keep in mind the remainder.
But the 2 dissimilar diseases can combine to make a complex disease and in
this case they do not repel each other.
He gives an example of epilepsy and ringworm alternating with each other and
mania and phthisis also - eczema and asthma would be another good example -
all examples of a stronger disease taking over from another. This is more
likely to happen with chronic disease, rarely acutes (although this can
happen).
The difficult bit comes when the 2 dissimilar disease join together to make
a complex case - when one cannot repel the other.
Here Hahnemann mentions how 2 miasms merge (syphilitic with psoric is one
example - venereal sx merge with a psoric eruption). Someone mentioned 10
miasms merging, why not, maybe in the future, maybe already. Much work is
being done now on realising a number of new miasms, many more than Hahnemann
wrote about, so as the modern world becomes so much more complex so might
the merging of miasmatic states.
The important aspect of what Hahnemann says is that when this happens
specific parts of the organism are involved - "each involves those parts of
the organism only which are most adapted for it and the patient is thereby
rendered more diseased and more difficult to cure."
These cases can seem incurable, may be incurable, they will be very sick
people but we never give up hope or help.
Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 13/11/04 15:23, Robert&Shannon Nelson at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:
As I said, many remedies are related to more than one miasm. If I see two
active miasms, I will (if I am thinking along those lines) look for a remedy
whose basic processes cover both of the active miasms, in addition to
covering the symptoms I am prescribing for.
No, I would never prescribe ten remedies at once, because I practice the
classical method. The Organon does mention the possibility of a person
having two dissimilar diseases coexisting, and the recommended method in
that case is to treat the two diseases alternately, rather than
simultaneously. How one *recognizes* that situation I have always been
unsure of--can anyone comment?
Shannon
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a miasm is said to be a groove in the vital force that stands as an obstacle to cure chronic diseases, is it the major diseases or deadly diseases r said to be miasms like tubercular, cancerous,shyphilitic,and recently the AIDS?
Hanemann has critised allopaths for mentioning the causes of the diseases as virus or bacterias.But he says that the psora
or the itch vesicle is caused by the itch mite and syphilis caused by treponema pallidum.
when vital force is dynamic in nature the causative for the derangement of the vital force should also be dynamic.then why do these organisms cause diseases?
raji.
J Lucas wrote:
In stanzas 36 + Hahnemann gives examples of dissimilar diseases - if the
older disease is stronger it will repel (i.e. diminish to the background to
a certain degree) the new disease. In this instance you would want to treat
the most dominant and/or dangerous but keep in mind the sx of the other.
But the new disease might be stronger than the old one - again it will
determine how you manage the case - treat the most dominant or dangerous and
keep in mind the remainder.
But the 2 dissimilar diseases can combine to make a complex disease and in
this case they do not repel each other.
He gives an example of epilepsy and ringworm alternating with each other and
mania and phthisis also - eczema and asthma would be another good example -
all examples of a stronger disease taking over from another. This is more
likely to happen with chronic disease, rarely acutes (although this can
happen).
The difficult bit comes when the 2 dissimilar disease join together to make
a complex case - when one cannot repel the other.
Here Hahnemann mentions how 2 miasms merge (syphilitic with psoric is one
example - venereal sx merge with a psoric eruption). Someone mentioned 10
miasms merging, why not, maybe in the future, maybe already. Much work is
being done now on realising a number of new miasms, many more than Hahnemann
wrote about, so as the modern world becomes so much more complex so might
the merging of miasmatic states.
The important aspect of what Hahnemann says is that when this happens
specific parts of the organism are involved - "each involves those parts of
the organism only which are most adapted for it and the patient is thereby
rendered more diseased and more difficult to cure."
These cases can seem incurable, may be incurable, they will be very sick
people but we never give up hope or help.
Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 13/11/04 15:23, Robert&Shannon Nelson at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:
As I said, many remedies are related to more than one miasm. If I see two
active miasms, I will (if I am thinking along those lines) look for a remedy
whose basic processes cover both of the active miasms, in addition to
covering the symptoms I am prescribing for.
No, I would never prescribe ten remedies at once, because I practice the
classical method. The Organon does mention the possibility of a person
having two dissimilar diseases coexisting, and the recommended method in
that case is to treat the two diseases alternately, rather than
simultaneously. How one *recognizes* that situation I have always been
unsure of--can anyone comment?
Shannon
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
Hello raji,
You asked.... "when vital force is dynamic in nature the causative for
the derangement of the vital force should also be dynamic. then why do
these organisms cause diseases?
Perhaps this page can answer your questions. Best regards, Anthony
http://members.tripod.com/anthony__59/i ... nic_Miasms
You asked.... "when vital force is dynamic in nature the causative for
the derangement of the vital force should also be dynamic. then why do
these organisms cause diseases?
Perhaps this page can answer your questions. Best regards, Anthony
http://members.tripod.com/anthony__59/i ... nic_Miasms
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Re: Miasms - Remedy Selection
Dear Shannon,
Suppose based on totality of symptom,the remedy is "X" and the patient active miasm is "Y" but "X" does not cover "Y",Namely,"X" is not anti"Y" then in this situation do you prescribe "X" or not?
Nader
Suppose based on totality of symptom,the remedy is "X" and the patient active miasm is "Y" but "X" does not cover "Y",Namely,"X" is not anti"Y" then in this situation do you prescribe "X" or not?
Nader