potentized vaccin/ homeopathy or isopathy

[Farbod Rahnamai]

Dear Shannon
Thanks for your kind help. Let us talk about homeopathy and isopathy as pure
scientific words. Isopathy ( I only use this word as: applying the same
disease to cure the natural disease of a patient) according to our knowledge
can not be effective anyway. If we see a SO CALLED isopathy is working, it
means that the method is not isopathy. I am not going on to talk about the
methods which a classical homeopath is allowed to use. I want to evaluate
this kind of treatments in one of 4 treatments method according to
HMN.(antipathy,homeopathy, isopathy and allopathy)
Thanks again
Farbod

[Farbod Rahnamai]

Dear Andy
Your answer was very intresting for me. But I had small difficulties due to
different methods of point of views which you used.
To communicate better on the issue lets use a common terminology, if you
dont mind. You used "meiosis and genetic, energy, kentian and Hahnemannian
words". I didn't get what you mean by miasm.The kentian meaning or
Hahnemannian or do you mean Sankaran's view. I think I could learn more if
we had clear terminology. I would be pleased if you let me know more about
your point of view.
Best
regards
Farbod

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Julian,

Interesting, this idea of the remedy healing "on its own" is one I've heard
before, but didn't reocognize that it's from 6th ed Organon. Sounds really
weird to me, tho -- if the remedy could heal "on its own", without the
agency of the vital force, then it should be able to raise the dead, LOL!!!
How can the remedy do *anything* on its own? It's non-physical, an agent so
"subtle" that it seems to affect nothing *except* the working of life force?

If the dynamis cannot heal itself, then what does heal the body (etc.) after
an acute disease, or recovering from "stress", or etc.? Hahnemann's or no,
to me this idea sounds goofy. What am I missing...

Shannon

on 11/11/03 2:45 PM, Julian Winston at jwinston@actrix.gen.nz wrote:

[Julian Winston]

At 4:27 PM -0600 11/11/03, Bob&Shannon wrote:
NO. It is the vital force that keeps the body working. Dead bodies
don't have a vital force. For the remedy to remove the disease it
must do so in a living body. Dead bodies do not6 suffer diseases,
therefore are not in need of remedies.
How? We don't know. We have NO understanding of the body's working at all.
That it effects the "life force" is *your* effort to make it
plausible. I am willing to accept that the remedy, being a stronger
(but artificial) disease displaces the original. How it does so does
not concern me.
The dynamis TRIES to heal. Sometimes it can manage. That's what
symptoms are-- the body's effort to heal itself. Unfortunately, the
dynamis is reactive and has no intelligence. So it will make you
vomit (or whatever) until you die. If it could do it all the time,
then we wouldn't need remedies at all.
The dynamis tries. But it is imperfect.

JW

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Farbod,

I don't understand what you mean by

on 11/11/03 3:52 PM, Farbod Rahnamai at frahnama@homeopathyiran.com wrote:
Isopathy does have a particular meaning -- that the presumably offending
substance is potentized and given as a remedy. It does indeed "work", to
varying degrees in varying situations; tho it does not work in the same way
as simillimum (chosen on symptom similarity).

Can you explain what you mean?

Shannon

[Feras Hakkak]

Farbod wrote: "On the other hand there is an idea that this remedy is the SAME disease, thus it is ISOPATHY and according to organon and also according to our logic same can not cure same."

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Some logic:
"Being the same" is a special type of "being similar", so mathematically speaking it is a subset of it. I don't understand why when "similar" can cure, the "same" cannot. For example, if we have a patient poisoned by Arsenicum album mother tincture (!) several years ago and he is suffering from that time, he may show signs of Arsenicum album. Now why shouldn't we prescribe Ars. in potency?
As I have understood, the whole trick of homeopathy is that we impose a disease process on the patient having similar qualities to his own, that "can disappear by itself". This is why we cannot give crude arsenicum to a patient poisoned by arsenicum.
Summary:
1- If a remedy is proved and we see its symptoms in a patient, we will give it, whether it is the same substance or not. This is homeopathy.
2- If a remedy is not proved and we give it in potency because we know the source of the problem had been that substance, we do not know what we are doing. Because the symptoms may or may not be silmilar to the potentized remedy.
3- Giving the potentized blood of a patient to him is not "prescribing the same". Because the disease may have started without the poisonous effect of a specific substance, and we do not prescribe that substance to the patient.
4- The potentized blood of the patient may or may not produce the symptoms of that patient in healthy persons (Am I right?). So it may or may not be homeopathic or isopathic.
Question: Does anybody know people using potentized blood of patients? What do they say about their success rate? It can help us in this discussion.
Sincerely,
Feras
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

I have used potentised blood I think 2 times as part of a treatment, so I cannot really say this was what helped.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

[WilsonHomeopaths]

and both can work wonderfully!
sal
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[Homoeopathy]

When we potentize a substance we are giving the client a frequency/energy if
that is in accordance with the symptoms expressed by the person then where
is the problem. My reservation, is that sometimes in homeopathy we do not
want a frequency exactly the same but a similar (to shift the vital force)
and if we can find a similar in the remedies with provings then use that.
Homeopathy has it's guidelines and we need to follow those, but we do not
need to make those guidelines into iron rules, then we have no space for
growth/adaptation to present racial chances and needs.
Best Regards
STAY HEALTHY THE NATURAL WAY
HOMEOPATHY & QXCI NEW QUANTUM ENERGETIC MEDICINE
Mr. Fernando Quaresma BRANCO LCPH MARH FBIH
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[Homoeopathy]

Dear Colleagues
Please widen your perspectives, you are in danger of becoming narrow minded
and dogmatist. Do you know it all? does anyone know it all? homeopathy does
not need you or anyone else to defend it. The more we fight the more
involved we get into conflict. Homeopathy is alive and well and it will be
with us for a very long time yet. So relax, be cool and enjoy the flowers
along the way.
Best Regards
STAY HEALTHY THE NATURAL WAY
HOMEOPATHY & QXCI NEW QUANTUM ENERGETIC MEDICINE
Mr. Fernando Quaresma BRANCO LCPH MARH FBIH
Tel: +212 022 36 42 52
GSM +212 (0)61 65 18 73
Tel/Fax/Voice: International +44 (0)709 222 5225