Going off psych drugs
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Re: Going off psych drugs
Hi all,
with regards to the F-series - I like the F-series very much. Indeed at Abha Light in Kenya we've made up an extensive number of remedies as F-series
However in my general experience with tautopathics, detox and aggravations, I found that low potencies such as 3 -6 (c or x) may bring on strong aggravations. So I'm wary of using such low potencies in the case of psych drugs; the risk could be there that the "aggravation" is an increase in self-harm or suicide.
I'd like to hear from Dr Joe about what he's observed in psych drugs & aggravations using F-series tautopathics
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With regards,
Didi Ananda Ruchira | Tel: +1 541-554-1749 | www.abhalight.org
with regards to the F-series - I like the F-series very much. Indeed at Abha Light in Kenya we've made up an extensive number of remedies as F-series
However in my general experience with tautopathics, detox and aggravations, I found that low potencies such as 3 -6 (c or x) may bring on strong aggravations. So I'm wary of using such low potencies in the case of psych drugs; the risk could be there that the "aggravation" is an increase in self-harm or suicide.
I'd like to hear from Dr Joe about what he's observed in psych drugs & aggravations using F-series tautopathics
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With regards,
Didi Ananda Ruchira | Tel: +1 541-554-1749 | www.abhalight.org
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Re: Going off psych drugs
I have not seen that in my practice though...low potencies should be safe because the patient has been exposed for a long time to the material doses of the drug.
The way I see this is that the sudden elimination of the psy drug reverts the patient to his previous status before drugging, therefore it is necessary to give them a treatment while or even before the detox is starting and even supporting them with other means, like herbal tinctures and Flower Remedies. Treating this type of patient is quite acrobatic; with them, even more that with other pathologies, reasoning the treatment in a logical way instead of following a "protocol" because so-and-so said so is absolutely essential if not vital.
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMDe
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
The way I see this is that the sudden elimination of the psy drug reverts the patient to his previous status before drugging, therefore it is necessary to give them a treatment while or even before the detox is starting and even supporting them with other means, like herbal tinctures and Flower Remedies. Treating this type of patient is quite acrobatic; with them, even more that with other pathologies, reasoning the treatment in a logical way instead of following a "protocol" because so-and-so said so is absolutely essential if not vital.
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMDe
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
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Re: Going off psych drugs
Hi,
Here is another variation of F potency use. I am influenced by Farokh Master.
A very large swollen abdomen has weighed an 80-year old patient down for years. She is arthritic and has severe back problems. Anyway, Rhus-tox F potencies started draining the abdomen after doing many other good things for her as well. Then the Kidney filtration system started reacting. That is, the veins on in the kidney (the glomerular veins I suppose) became inflamed.
I am guessing that that fluid on her abdomen was toxic because it has been there for so many years (she 80 years old). The GP looked at the filtration numbers and commented, not bad for 80 years old. But the kidney specialist gave her Pregnazone, and antibiotics. She an emotional mess now. The abdomen is again filling.
She is a very compliant patient. Compliant with doctors. I have no authority to stop her kidney medication. So I am asking her to follow Dr. Master's 5 cup protocol. That is, she dilutes her remedy 5 times and takes it 3 times a day. This way she can take the drugs and take her remedy. Doing that with F potency of Rhus-t, her remedy for the arthritic symptoms. I have not noticed that lower potencies aggravate. It seems that aggravation could occur anywhere along the potency scale.
Best,
Ellen Madono
Here is another variation of F potency use. I am influenced by Farokh Master.
A very large swollen abdomen has weighed an 80-year old patient down for years. She is arthritic and has severe back problems. Anyway, Rhus-tox F potencies started draining the abdomen after doing many other good things for her as well. Then the Kidney filtration system started reacting. That is, the veins on in the kidney (the glomerular veins I suppose) became inflamed.
I am guessing that that fluid on her abdomen was toxic because it has been there for so many years (she 80 years old). The GP looked at the filtration numbers and commented, not bad for 80 years old. But the kidney specialist gave her Pregnazone, and antibiotics. She an emotional mess now. The abdomen is again filling.
She is a very compliant patient. Compliant with doctors. I have no authority to stop her kidney medication. So I am asking her to follow Dr. Master's 5 cup protocol. That is, she dilutes her remedy 5 times and takes it 3 times a day. This way she can take the drugs and take her remedy. Doing that with F potency of Rhus-t, her remedy for the arthritic symptoms. I have not noticed that lower potencies aggravate. It seems that aggravation could occur anywhere along the potency scale.
Best,
Ellen Madono
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Re: Going off psych drugs
Very good!
It is an extension of the 6th Organon method described in my book, good thinking!
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
It is an extension of the 6th Organon method described in my book, good thinking!
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
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Re: Going off psych drugs
Might her kidney issues have been forestalled if she’d been given, in alternation with the Rhus-t., a drainage remedy like Berb-v. in MT or low potency (as per Dr. Joe’s suggestions in his book on organotherapy)?
Peace,
Dale
Peace,
Dale
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Yes, that is right. Thank you, Dale. She is 80, so a break down of any major drainage organ could be predicted. The kidney is the most delicate (not the liver), so I should have protected it. Would it be wise to give her Berberis now? Or maybe do Berberis first and not do the 5 cup method Rhut-tox until she has been on some Berberis for a while.
Ellen
Ellen
Re: Going off psych drugs
The timing/sequence of drainage remedies is not something I’ve had to worry about until fairly recently when I started seeing more fragile, compromised patients. Dr. Joe’s book is a great help. I’ve also found useful Diane Solomon’s book on treating Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. (In case her name is new to you, she was a CFS sufferer who, cured by homeopathy, became a homeopath herself, specializing in CFS.)
I would assume it’s never too late to start Berberis, but perhaps Dr. Joe might wish to comment on that.
Peace,
Dale
I would assume it’s never too late to start Berberis, but perhaps Dr. Joe might wish to comment on that.
Peace,
Dale
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Re: Going off psych drugs
Never too late indeed, but in cases of kidney failure, I have had great successes (and some failures of course) with the association Solidago + Urtica SEMEN (the seed of the nettle) + Lespedeza in tinctures, with Serum anguillar FPP 3c to 21c and Kidney sarcode FPP 3c to 21c.
You can add Berberis and others of course.
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
You can add Berberis and others of course.
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz