EPIGENICS - Miasms? - old post (PIet)

[doctorleelah2h]

Hi Piet,
Thanks for the information. Sorry I've been unable to get back...

I think what I'm looking for is people who ahev used the term miasm
contrary or different to the way HAhnemann intended in the CD. So if
you come across this, please do tell me.

I wou;n't want to make any "maismatic" conclusions about pther peole's
work when they have not described it as miasmatic, becasue they may
not even intend to mena it as so. So we need to be careful about it.

One myth I"m looking to remove (in my next article) is that Kent
called Psora "ORiginal sin" when as far as I can see, HE DID NOT. This
probably stems from either a lack of understanding of "original sin"
or a lack of understanding of Psora. Unfortunately such myths continue
for lack of clarification and I think its time we have a clear concept
about all this if only to pave the way for deeper study into David
Little's contributions on miasms or the Dhawle's Symposiums tremendous
contribution to the understanding and good clinical management based
on the miasm theory.
thanks,
leela

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[Piet Guijt]

Hi Leela,
Maybe you also can take a look at "Toward a unified homeopathy" by Andreas
Bjorndal:

"To me miams no longer signify contamination, taint or contagion. It is
clear that what Hahnemann discovered was a phenomenon, but the causation is
very questionable..... I think it is a pure question of energy, or level and
quality you inherit"

"Also I do not see miasms moving toward the syphilic as purely something
increasingly negative. Staying stuck in the beginning of the cycle is like
never being born...If you look at the tree main miasms as the function of
thinking (psora), feeling, (sycosis) and acting (syphilis, then you can also
see that in psora has the potential to become wise, sysosis for
unconditional love and syphilis for manifesting a higher purpose or will"

Vijayakar mentions something similar in his third book.

Maybe you can also take a look at "Miasm in labour" by Harry van der Zee
http://www.wholehealthnow.com/books/miasms-labour.html

And "Evolving Homeopathy, toward a development approach to Homeopathy" by
Phillip Robbins could be an another good suggestion.
http://www.wholehealthnow.com/books/evo ... pathy.html
And "Man,Miasm and Modality" by Per Neesgaard explaing the Masi approach
(Helios England)

And of course the books by Candegabe, Paschero and Ortega.

Kind regards, Piet

[doctorleelah2h]

HI Piet,
thanks this is what I was looking for ... and we can see how we're far
removed from homeopathy it is...
So sycosis cannot be wise and cannot think or act?... That is some
stretch! HOW does this translate clinically?
As always, any idea has to have significance in treating CLINICAL
disease .. AND clearly demarcate itself from the original Hahnemannian
concept.
No, Vijaykar says nothing of the kind in his 3rd book unless one is
insistant on looking at it that way. OF course some fo the things he
said are still conceptual speculation which he admits to and I did not
include in my article.
Vijaykar is very down to earth in his approach in dealing with
disease. HE has added morals, but I don't think he has stretched it in
this way at all - do be careful of making that assumption . Miasmatic
expression is very clearly physical expression with or without the
mental state.

IF you have any idea how I can get a secondhand version of any of
these books (Andreas Bjorndal, Peer Nesgard), or I could read it and
send it right back, I'd be happy to know. ORtega I have read.
Thanks again,
leela
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[Piet Guijt]

Leela wrote:
Homoeopathy means applying medicine acccording to the Similia Similibus
Curentur rule. When those insights help to determine the predominating
miasm, which helps us to find the simillimum, why is it far removed from
Homoeopathy?
Maybe a good suggestion to study these books first, with an open mind and
after that come up with conclusions?
I'm not making any assumptions here, I read the book !
I will give a quotte from the conclusion by Vijayakar, like I quotted
Bjorndal from his conclusion:

" 'Miasm' - the taint,as suggested by Hahnemann is not only confined to
disease production in human being. It has much far reaching consequences and
a much broader meaning than anybody can ever imagine. The significance of
the three stages of miasm can be seen in the very existance of man, animals,
plants. :The three miasm as we already discussed are defensive techniques
adopted for survival by anything which exists from man to universe. I is
reflected in time, speed, in culture and even in disease"... Thus the world
moves in circles. The circle of Psora, Sycosis, Syphilis....All these three
miasm have their good and bad side ... All the three are essential for
survival of the being and the species"

If you want to know how this translates clinically, please read i.e. the
book "The end of Myasmtion of Miasms" by Dr. Vijayakar

And Dr. Vijayakar is not the only one , Andreas Bjorndal, Peter Frasier,
Frans vermeulen, Mario Boiadjiev all come from different angels to these
conclusions.
http://www.lutravision.com/contact_us.htm

Per Neesgard)
http://www.helios.co.uk/contact.html
Kind regards, Piet
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[doctorleelah2h]

Hi Piet, the importnat aspect about quotes is that they should be
quoted with reference to context. So yes, your first quote requires
the proper context with an open mind - and is is what it will recieve
when the book is read. Obviously quoting it is not going to help.

Re: Vijaykar, I was completely aware of what you were refering to in
your first email. BUT - when he said there was a good and bad side, he
was refering to a pathological miasmatic state in an individual which
can be used for GOOD purposes. Because, whatever the miasmatic
background, the person still has to live to the best of his ability in
the most acceptable and appropriate moral expression that complements
his miasmatic tendencies.
I do no think this is what your first quote refered to, but I may be
mistaken.
I also do not think this is what you refered to either, but again, I
may be mistaken.

My interest is taht we stay gounded when we make these interpretations
becasue to the homeoapthic student with a lack of basic foundation and
even less of a psychotherapy background, all these assumptions easily
become figments of the imagination in the clinical setting of
pathological disease. Does this mean anything to you?
Angles are fine, and all of them have their place in the scheme of
things. Wihtout proper training, and wihtout a proper gounding, any
"angle" can be improperly used and applied.

So you haven't given me an idea about how I can read these books more
easily ...
Leela
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[Piet Guijt]

Leela wrote:

Hi Leela,

Yes, but what is Good and what is Bad, even in paradise there where
restrictions for Adam and Eve, so they were able to do bad things
So man is not absolute, never was , only God is Good, thus in humans there
is no real difference between good and bad, maybe only the intention counts,
the way or angle we are looking from.
Of course this is very important, but does this mean that exploring and
discussing other viewpoints that are intented to expand our practical tools,
is not allowed?
Agreed, this goes for everything, even for 'traditional' methods.
Ok, So I must spell it out: these are the adresses were I ordered my copies,
so please contact them, and ask them to send you a copy as well.

Kind regards, Piet

[doctorleelah2h]

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You know Piet, I'm not sure why miasm has to get confused with
paradise. ANd its only line that I think needs to be drawn. this
seems to ahev inadvertenly happened becasue of some myth that KEnt
said Psora was original sin, that continues to be perpetuated.

practical tools,

Expanding our practical tools is a great asset. ITs assuming one
already had the basic tools in place.
Different view point must ALL be considered so taht the best may be used.
My problem with these viewpoints is that they insist on stretching the
term miasm to suit them when I think its best to use ANOTHER MORE
APPROPRIATE TERM. Basically it just stems the confusion that already
exists.
copies,
Sigh, Right I'll spell it out as well. I belong to a third world
country called India. I'm simply in the "poor relative" category, who
has very little money to invest in these books. International Books
that I have read are generally available here for 1/5th the price or
else I haven't read them.
So, either I settle for fewer "additional tools" and lesser articles
to write, or else I hope for some kinder suggestions in this regard.
thanks,
leela
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