sexuality & perversion- some old (!) stuff

[Venkat]

Chris

Hi Chris, All,
This thread has really gone too deep into the
fundamentals of life. I am quoting a few paragraphs
from Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged",pg no 460-461 ,
something that define the relationship between sex and
life: Here they are in her powerful words...

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( Fransisco to Rearden)
... "Do you rememember what I said about money and
about the men who seek to reverse the law of cause and
effect ? The men who try to replace the mind by the
products of the mind ?Well, the man who despises
himself tries to get self esteem from sexual
adventures-which can't be done, because, sex is not
the cause,but an effect and an expression of a man's
sense of his own value"

"You'd better explain that"

" Did it ever occur to you that it's the same issue?
The men who think that wealth comes from material
resources and has no intellectual root or meaning,are
the men who think - for the same reason - that sex is
a physical capacity which functions independently of
one's mind, choice or code of values. They think
that your body creates a desire and makes a choice for
you- just about in some such way as if iron ore
transformed itself into railroadrails of its own
volition.
Love is blid, they say; sex is impervious to reason
and mocks the powers of all philosophers. But, in
fact, a man's sexual choice is the sum of his
fundamental convictions.Tell me what a man finds
sexually attractive and will tell you his
entire philosophy of life. Show me the woman he sleeps
with and I will tell you his valuation of himself. No
matter what corruption he's taught about the virtue of
selflessness, sex is the most profoundly selfish of
all acts, an act which he
cannot perform for any motive but his own enjoyment-
just try to think of performing it in a spirit of
selfless charity!- an act which is not possible in
self abasement , only in self-exaltation, only in the
confidence of being desired and being worthy of
desire. It is an act that forces him to stand naked in
spirit, as well as in body, and to accept his real ego
as his standard of value. He will be attracted to
the woman who reflects his deepest vision of himself,
the woman whose surrender permits him to experience-
or to fake- a sense of self esteem.
The man who is proudly certain of his own value,will
want the highest type of woman he can find, the woman
he admires,the strongest , the hardest to
conquer-because,only the possession of a heroine will
give him the sense of an achievement, not the
possession of a brainless slut. He does not seek to
gain his value, he seeks to express it. There is no
conflict
between the standards of his mind and the desires of
his body. But the man who is convinced of his own
worthlessness will be drawn to a woman he despises-
because she will reflect his own secret self, she will
give him a momentary illusion of his own value
and a moment's escape from the moral code that damns
him. Observe the ugl mess which most men make of their
sex lives- and observe the mess of contradictions they
hold as their moral philosophy. One proceeds from the
other. Love is our response to our highest values- and
can be nothing else.Let a man corrupt his values and
views his view of existence. Let him profess that love
is not self enjoyment but self denial, that virtue
consists, not of pride, but of pity or pain or
weakness or sacrifice, that the
noblest love is born, not of admiration, but of
charity, not in response to values,but in response to
flaws- and he will have cut himself in two. His body
will not obey him,it will not respond,it will make him
impotent towards the woman he professes to love
and draw him to the lowest type of whore he can find.
His body will always follow thelogic of his deepest
convictions; if he believes that flaws are values, he
has damned himself and he will feel that depravity is
all he is worthy of enjoying. He has equated virtue
with pain and he will feel that vice is the only realm
of pleasure. Then he will scream that his body has
vicious desires of its own which his mind cannot
conquer, that sex is sin, that true love is a pure
emotion of the spirit. And then he will wonder
why love brings him nothing but boredom, and sex-
nothing but shame"
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Venkat
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#blid indeed!
yet what follows suggests it is actually all seeing, or all reflecting.
# Indeed, but will she be attracted to him? That is the question.
#OR, in light what else said experience simply a sense of self
# true - I like tall birds!
# yes yes yes!
#are there enough heroines to go round I wonder,? 'ere - that is MY
heroine'. No wonder there are so many wars!
# wince