Hi all,
I have a new patient who says that when she gets ill, her cat does, each
with exact symptoms etc. Lots of childhood stress. Any suggestions for
rubrics, potential remedies etc. I'm thinking carcinosin at this stage.
thanks
Beverly
cat
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: cat
more info please
look for very sympathetic remedies--feels what others feel
eg, phos or lyss?
tanya
look for very sympathetic remedies--feels what others feel
eg, phos or lyss?
tanya
Re: cat
More info on patient with reflections cat symptoms
patient has
no appetite
weight loss
feels cold more than heat
gets shaky/trembly
pain left shoulder blade
vein outside left leg hurst [she says it is her stopping herself from moving
forward]
anger
longing for love
gasps for breath and can't talk to them when she finds someone she likes
hates mother
feels she stopped her having a relationship with father
mother was dominant
father weak
feels must be something wron with her not to be loved
feels it is too late to have what she wants [love and children] She is in
mid 40's
low energy
no impetus to do anything
feeels dried up like a prune
moon affects moods [full moon feels like she has to let emotions out][I
didn't look at this in rep]
violent anger with pmt
feels sense of release with onset of menstruation
wakes feeling good then realises the reality of her life and energy goes
down
has had previous urges to kil her animals
all life bound up in cat
cat has been ill and she feels if cat dies she will have to leave and make a
life for herself elsewhere
angry that her father did not protect her from mother
feels akin to her mother as if she is aging with her and will die if she
does
hates her mother but can't let her go, feels power of death overtaking her
as her mother ages
father threatened to kill himself if mother left him
says she is yearnign for a fantasy person
any touch by professional i.e. massage therapist brings on feelings of love
for that person
feels is sabotaging self
feels deserves rejection
terrified of anyone her own age relationship wise - never had close male
relationship - attracted to father figuressays feels abaondoned/manipulated
fear of being trapped and losing self
no impetus to work
feels has had to compete withmothe for father's affection
assertive on other's behalf but not for herself
takes on other's fears
doesn't feel deserves to live
smoking 25 years to control things and comfort herself. - has cut down to
small amount
feels directionless
irrational fears - worried that she would burn down her own house
4 days ago, 1st consult
sense of emptiness in abdomen, feels like has to vomit something out of
herself
was crying a lot and waking screaming in the night
sensation of squeezing in kidneys which she translates into sexual energy
not being fulfilled
gave ign 1m
no crying now, no kidney pain
now a sense of restlessness and has to walk
still some emptiness
thanks
Beverly
Tanya said
each
patient has
no appetite
weight loss
feels cold more than heat
gets shaky/trembly
pain left shoulder blade
vein outside left leg hurst [she says it is her stopping herself from moving
forward]
anger
longing for love
gasps for breath and can't talk to them when she finds someone she likes
hates mother
feels she stopped her having a relationship with father
mother was dominant
father weak
feels must be something wron with her not to be loved
feels it is too late to have what she wants [love and children] She is in
mid 40's
low energy
no impetus to do anything
feeels dried up like a prune
moon affects moods [full moon feels like she has to let emotions out][I
didn't look at this in rep]
violent anger with pmt
feels sense of release with onset of menstruation
wakes feeling good then realises the reality of her life and energy goes
down
has had previous urges to kil her animals
all life bound up in cat
cat has been ill and she feels if cat dies she will have to leave and make a
life for herself elsewhere
angry that her father did not protect her from mother
feels akin to her mother as if she is aging with her and will die if she
does
hates her mother but can't let her go, feels power of death overtaking her
as her mother ages
father threatened to kill himself if mother left him
says she is yearnign for a fantasy person
any touch by professional i.e. massage therapist brings on feelings of love
for that person
feels is sabotaging self
feels deserves rejection
terrified of anyone her own age relationship wise - never had close male
relationship - attracted to father figuressays feels abaondoned/manipulated
fear of being trapped and losing self
no impetus to work
feels has had to compete withmothe for father's affection
assertive on other's behalf but not for herself
takes on other's fears
doesn't feel deserves to live
smoking 25 years to control things and comfort herself. - has cut down to
small amount
feels directionless
irrational fears - worried that she would burn down her own house
4 days ago, 1st consult
sense of emptiness in abdomen, feels like has to vomit something out of
herself
was crying a lot and waking screaming in the night
sensation of squeezing in kidneys which she translates into sexual energy
not being fulfilled
gave ign 1m
no crying now, no kidney pain
now a sense of restlessness and has to walk
still some emptiness
thanks
Beverly
Tanya said
each
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Dr. Alva Irish
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cat
I would look at potentized Chlamydia and Kali bich, Kali iod, and Bry.
Alva
I have a new patient who says that when she gets ill, her cat does, each
with exact symptoms etc. Lots of childhood stress. Any suggestions for
rubrics, potential remedies etc. I'm thinking carcinosin at this stage.
thanks
Beverly
Alva
I have a new patient who says that when she gets ill, her cat does, each
with exact symptoms etc. Lots of childhood stress. Any suggestions for
rubrics, potential remedies etc. I'm thinking carcinosin at this stage.
thanks
Beverly
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Dr. Alva Irish
- Posts: 12
- Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:49 pm
Re: cat
Hi, Beverly,
Because I have been raising cats and using Homeopathics on them since 1968.
What you described sounds like Chlamydial Pneumonia.
Kali bich, Kali iod, and Bry usually come up in those cases.
I also use the Herb Austragalus, and Cranberry, and Oil of Oregano as well,
for both the human and the cat.
Chlamydia is passed interspecies.
It is now in her house, and I also suggest when she starts the treatments,
for her to throw away her toothbrushes, and disinfect everything, including
all bedding, the cat pan, and scooper, everywhere where she and kitty have
been, with nolvosan.
The potentized Nosode works better than the remedies alone, in conjunction
with teremyacin.(sp) My spell check is out of whack for some reason!
ehc@austarnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Re: cat
Thanks Alva,
could you please give me your slant on why these remedies might fit?
thanks
Beverly
Because I have been raising cats and using Homeopathics on them since 1968.
What you described sounds like Chlamydial Pneumonia.
Kali bich, Kali iod, and Bry usually come up in those cases.
I also use the Herb Austragalus, and Cranberry, and Oil of Oregano as well,
for both the human and the cat.
Chlamydia is passed interspecies.
It is now in her house, and I also suggest when she starts the treatments,
for her to throw away her toothbrushes, and disinfect everything, including
all bedding, the cat pan, and scooper, everywhere where she and kitty have
been, with nolvosan.
The potentized Nosode works better than the remedies alone, in conjunction
with teremyacin.(sp) My spell check is out of whack for some reason!
ehc@austarnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Re: cat
Thanks Alva,
could you please give me your slant on why these remedies might fit?
thanks
Beverly
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Shelley Epstein
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- Joined: Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:00 pm
Re: cat
Hi Beverly, Alva, and everyone,
I can't recall if the original posting (from Beverly) was about treating the
cat or the human, but I feel compelled to offer my opinion as a homeopathic
vet.
There are 2 issues, if I recall correctly, about this case.
The first issue is the matter of the human's symptomatology paralleling that
of the house cat's. I can't recall who usually gets sick first in this
house. I thought Beverly was asking about "sympathetic" remedies to consider
for this case. A very common scenario in veterinary medicine is to see the
pet become afflicted with the owner's disorder- lymphoma in the exact same
lymph node(or other cancers identical to that of the owner) or coughing or
gastroenteritis are a few of the conditions that come to mind. The question
then becomes, is this because the patient is pathologically sympathetic to
the other species with which it shares a house? ie, should the focus be on
the sympathetic rubric? Or, can a virus/bacteria/chlamydial organism cross
species and truly infect the other being?(allopathic point of argument) Or
can the miasm infect the other species via a truly energetic pathway?(this
is my clinical impression having witnessed the gastroenteritis scenario too
many times!).
So, the question becomes, in this case, which rubrics to use? I would use
the sympathetic rubric or related ones if this is truly the very obvious
reason behind the human or cat's reason for getting sick. Otherwise, read
on...
When confronted with a (feline) patient who is accompanied by a medical
record bearing an allopathic diagnostic name, like chlamydia, for example, I
selectively ignore this piece of data and focus on the patient's symptoms
alone. It all goes back to the seed versus soil discussion. Chlamydia is
commonly implicated as the causative agent(allopathically-speaking here) in
cattery or multiple cat situations. ie, STRESS. Is is also considered a
zoonotic agent, ie, it can be passed from the cat to the human. Does this
mean all cats which came from infected situations (catteries, shelters,
rescuers, etc.) are infecting our cat owners? Seed v. soil. The owner has
the susceptibility. I would prescribe based on the owner's symptoms. The
name of the organism is irrelevant. Except in cases like the intensely
sympathetic cat/dog/human above, I base my prescription on the patient's
symptoms alone.
Have fun!
Shelley Epstein
on 1/17/02 4:28 PM, Dr. Alva Irish at dr_irish@bellsouth.net wrote:
I can't recall if the original posting (from Beverly) was about treating the
cat or the human, but I feel compelled to offer my opinion as a homeopathic
vet.
There are 2 issues, if I recall correctly, about this case.
The first issue is the matter of the human's symptomatology paralleling that
of the house cat's. I can't recall who usually gets sick first in this
house. I thought Beverly was asking about "sympathetic" remedies to consider
for this case. A very common scenario in veterinary medicine is to see the
pet become afflicted with the owner's disorder- lymphoma in the exact same
lymph node(or other cancers identical to that of the owner) or coughing or
gastroenteritis are a few of the conditions that come to mind. The question
then becomes, is this because the patient is pathologically sympathetic to
the other species with which it shares a house? ie, should the focus be on
the sympathetic rubric? Or, can a virus/bacteria/chlamydial organism cross
species and truly infect the other being?(allopathic point of argument) Or
can the miasm infect the other species via a truly energetic pathway?(this
is my clinical impression having witnessed the gastroenteritis scenario too
many times!).
So, the question becomes, in this case, which rubrics to use? I would use
the sympathetic rubric or related ones if this is truly the very obvious
reason behind the human or cat's reason for getting sick. Otherwise, read
on...
When confronted with a (feline) patient who is accompanied by a medical
record bearing an allopathic diagnostic name, like chlamydia, for example, I
selectively ignore this piece of data and focus on the patient's symptoms
alone. It all goes back to the seed versus soil discussion. Chlamydia is
commonly implicated as the causative agent(allopathically-speaking here) in
cattery or multiple cat situations. ie, STRESS. Is is also considered a
zoonotic agent, ie, it can be passed from the cat to the human. Does this
mean all cats which came from infected situations (catteries, shelters,
rescuers, etc.) are infecting our cat owners? Seed v. soil. The owner has
the susceptibility. I would prescribe based on the owner's symptoms. The
name of the organism is irrelevant. Except in cases like the intensely
sympathetic cat/dog/human above, I base my prescription on the patient's
symptoms alone.
Have fun!
Shelley Epstein
on 1/17/02 4:28 PM, Dr. Alva Irish at dr_irish@bellsouth.net wrote: