Hello all
Does anyone have any advice for treating incontinence in a bitch? (12 y old)
She has had lots of tests and was diagnosed with e coli bacteria, she has had 12 weeks of antibiotics and all is well while she is on them. She has just finished her last dose and was incontinent again.
According to what I can find, the type of e coli which affects the bladder can cause stones, but antibiotics are used to get rid of the e coli first.
She is not my dog but the owner has asked for help
Maybe she should be tested for the presence of e coli again and if no sign then check for kidney stones?
Unfortunately the owner is running out of funds having spent abut £800.
I have given the dog berberis for support during the treatment and was considering Causticum and Arg nit.
She is a very obedient border collie. Sits quietly and waits to be told what to do. Loves playing with a ball though and has lots of energy.
She has now stopped eating and is listless. (today) I have brought her to the office and have noticed a rumbling tummy - which I suppose is not surprising. She has had no diarrhea or ulcers or other accompanying symptoms.
She is a very sensitive dog and always does what she is told to do. Sorry I can’t provide more information - but any questions you have I can check with the owner.
Any ideas - homeopathic or herbal - or whatever! Received with gratitude
thanks
Liz Burgess
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incontinent dog
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: incontinent dog
Hi Elizabeth,
To say anything useful from a homeopathic standpoint we need to know a
lot more! Can you give us specific symptoms, the history of the
problem, a picture of the nature, appearance, personality, behavior and
modalities of the dog--whatever makes her individual from "every other
dog"--and what might have changed since (or shortly before) this
problem began? When did this start, and what's her prior health
history? (Anything notable that happened in the dog's environment
shortly before the problem began?)
Shannon
To say anything useful from a homeopathic standpoint we need to know a
lot more! Can you give us specific symptoms, the history of the
problem, a picture of the nature, appearance, personality, behavior and
modalities of the dog--whatever makes her individual from "every other
dog"--and what might have changed since (or shortly before) this
problem began? When did this start, and what's her prior health
history? (Anything notable that happened in the dog's environment
shortly before the problem began?)
Shannon
Re: incontinent dog
added to what Shannon asked already ;;;
*did the dog dieet changed (if not it is an option to change food to other
brand or to go to an all natural food.
*and is the dog tested for bladder infection (the lisness and no food drive)
and being an older dog it also can be weak muscles and therefor incontinent
if she didnt had it before?
Marleen
*did the dog dieet changed (if not it is an option to change food to other
brand or to go to an all natural food.
*and is the dog tested for bladder infection (the lisness and no food drive)
and being an older dog it also can be weak muscles and therefor incontinent
if she didnt had it before?
Marleen
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Ginny Wilken
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Re: incontinent dog
Yes. It's not an issue of invading bacteria, and the antibiotics are
suppressive. This is a common chronic disease symptom in dogs,
resulting perhaps from vaccines and other drugs, with the situation
exacerbated by poor diet. Switching to appropriate raw meat and bones -
for which I can supply a link or three - and consulting a good
classical homeopath with animal experience should make a huge
difference in the symptom at hand as well as many other undiscussed
issues.
ginny
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suppressive. This is a common chronic disease symptom in dogs,
resulting perhaps from vaccines and other drugs, with the situation
exacerbated by poor diet. Switching to appropriate raw meat and bones -
for which I can supply a link or three - and consulting a good
classical homeopath with animal experience should make a huge
difference in the symptom at hand as well as many other undiscussed
issues.
ginny
All stunts performed without a net!
Re: incontinent dog
If a urinary tract infection is causing the incontinence, D-mannose is a
supplement specific to E.coli. It could be used both to treat and
prophylactically. As far as the dog's incontinence is concerned, when does
it occur and under what circumstances? Is she thirsty (or excessively
thirsty)?
Peace,
Cinnabar
supplement specific to E.coli. It could be used both to treat and
prophylactically. As far as the dog's incontinence is concerned, when does
it occur and under what circumstances? Is she thirsty (or excessively
thirsty)?
Peace,
Cinnabar
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Elizabeth Burgess
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Re: incontinent dog
Thank you to all those of you who replied
I shall check with the owner about her medical history as she did mention skin troubles before this.
There is not a great deal more to say about her. She stays to heel most of the time, is not too bothered about other animals. She likes to run around, seems very intelligent - i.e to give her a command you just say it as if you were speaking to a human and she does it straight away.(Within reason - she can't make a decent cup of tea).
She will sit and wait to get in the car until she is told to do so. It seems as though she likes the car - but she is so obedient - almost subservient - that this could be glee at pleasing her owner.
She is a brown and white border collie, slighlty over weight and under excercised. She is alone a lot during the day - but always has been (same owner all her life) but the episodes of incontinence before antibx were when the owner was present. They seem to occur more in the early evening (someone suggested Pulsatilla and it keeps coming through!)
She is not a thirsty dog. Fed on canned 'meat in gravy' type foods. Slightly nervy and gets her confidence from whoever she is with - attaches easily from my experience with her, she knows me a little and was quite happy to get in my car with me and head off, even though she felt poorly. If nervous she will stay under your feet when out for a walk - even when out wiht another dog.
She likes fuss, but wouldnt force herself on you - not at all pushy, Will lick occasionally.
Yesterday she ate a chew when I brought her back from the office and I shall check to see if she is eating again now. She ate more when on the antibx than usual.
She only barks when someone comes to the door, this is the only time she is disobedient and doesn't stop immediatley when told.
She was diagnosed with a bladder infection - the e coli.
The owner and vet do not communicate well - she has trouble understanding his accent - but he has checked for stones and there are none (can this be definite??) He mentioned at the time that 'something' was wrong with her liver and would like to check this out.
I have asked her to find out exactly what this was.
I will have a look at D Mannose. Can someone explain how her diet can affect her and what I should be advising? Thise links would be great!
Thanks again for all the help
Liz
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I shall check with the owner about her medical history as she did mention skin troubles before this.
There is not a great deal more to say about her. She stays to heel most of the time, is not too bothered about other animals. She likes to run around, seems very intelligent - i.e to give her a command you just say it as if you were speaking to a human and she does it straight away.(Within reason - she can't make a decent cup of tea).
She will sit and wait to get in the car until she is told to do so. It seems as though she likes the car - but she is so obedient - almost subservient - that this could be glee at pleasing her owner.
She is a brown and white border collie, slighlty over weight and under excercised. She is alone a lot during the day - but always has been (same owner all her life) but the episodes of incontinence before antibx were when the owner was present. They seem to occur more in the early evening (someone suggested Pulsatilla and it keeps coming through!)
She is not a thirsty dog. Fed on canned 'meat in gravy' type foods. Slightly nervy and gets her confidence from whoever she is with - attaches easily from my experience with her, she knows me a little and was quite happy to get in my car with me and head off, even though she felt poorly. If nervous she will stay under your feet when out for a walk - even when out wiht another dog.
She likes fuss, but wouldnt force herself on you - not at all pushy, Will lick occasionally.
Yesterday she ate a chew when I brought her back from the office and I shall check to see if she is eating again now. She ate more when on the antibx than usual.
She only barks when someone comes to the door, this is the only time she is disobedient and doesn't stop immediatley when told.
She was diagnosed with a bladder infection - the e coli.
The owner and vet do not communicate well - she has trouble understanding his accent - but he has checked for stones and there are none (can this be definite??) He mentioned at the time that 'something' was wrong with her liver and would like to check this out.
I have asked her to find out exactly what this was.
I will have a look at D Mannose. Can someone explain how her diet can affect her and what I should be advising? Thise links would be great!
Thanks again for all the help
Liz
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Ginny Wilken
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Re: incontinent dog
Liz: She, as every dog, deserves a biologically appropriate diet of
raw meat and bones. The carbohydrates and denatured protein in
commercial dog food are largely indigestible, and the fermentation
destroys the absorptive function of the gut. Undigested proteins cause
inflammation in all susceptible parts of the body, and the immune
system is stressed and unable to cope. The poor diet, added to the
stresses of vaccination and allopathic treatments, causes deep chronic
disease affecting muscles, organs and every other part of the body.
Each dog, of course, exhibits disease in his own susceptible areas.
Great diet supports health and homeopathic treatment; poor diet
undermines it. Here are some links for your friends:
http://www.rawlearning.com/
http://www.rawfeddogs.net/
http://rawfed.com/myths/honest.html
and the list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/
ginny
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raw meat and bones. The carbohydrates and denatured protein in
commercial dog food are largely indigestible, and the fermentation
destroys the absorptive function of the gut. Undigested proteins cause
inflammation in all susceptible parts of the body, and the immune
system is stressed and unable to cope. The poor diet, added to the
stresses of vaccination and allopathic treatments, causes deep chronic
disease affecting muscles, organs and every other part of the body.
Each dog, of course, exhibits disease in his own susceptible areas.
Great diet supports health and homeopathic treatment; poor diet
undermines it. Here are some links for your friends:
http://www.rawlearning.com/
http://www.rawfeddogs.net/
http://rawfed.com/myths/honest.html
and the list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/
ginny
All stunts performed without a net!