Dear Vijay
Three points:
1- In good classical homoeopathy and in a chronic case, we do not treat
anything in particular - particular treatment leads to suppression.
We therefore treat the whole elf the patient.
2- Although Causticum is perhaps a remedy well indicated with the kind of
right-handed paralysis, more details of your lady wife would be of
importance, especially her mental and emotional symptoms prior to the
stroke - before I would be sure of the choice of Causticum.
3- With much respect to Dr. Syed Rafatullah, based on my point 2 above I
would certainly NOT prescribe 1M and repeat as often as has been suggested.
If Causticum is decided as the Similimum, then 1 dose of 30C would do well
and then please wait and see and report.
Rgds
Soroush Ebrahimi
Message: 6
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:09:59 +0530
From: "vijay kumar"
Subject: New member
Dear list,
Would any member provide me on the rejuvenation treatment of 5th cranial
nerve. This is required for my wife who had a brain stroke on 24th Sep-2004
and was diagnosed the partial damage of 5th cranial nerve. She had a
paralytic feeling on the complete right side of head mouth and tongue. In
addition, she had the tendency to fall on right side.
After hospitalisation etc, the locomotor problems are fairly over but the
taste on the right side of the tongue has not improved much.
Among the homoeo treatment, she has been given Staphysagria-200 to begin
with, later Helleborous-30 then at present repeated doses of Q, Merc Sol-200
once a week started since 1 month.
Your kind suggestions would help me.
I would like to ask this forum of Homoeopathy that what is the treatment
research for the rejuvenation of neurons in this branch of subject.
Thanks and regards,
Vijay Kumar
5th cranial nerve??
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Soroush Ebrahimi
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Re: 5th cranial nerve??
Dear Dr. Syed Rafatullah
Firstly, I am NOT a doctor, I am a Homoeopath.
I had many problems with your response below.
1- Firstly you write to tell the husband of a person that YOU HAVE NEVER
SEEN to give her such and such a remedy.
That in my opinion is WRONG and although Minutus has a disclaimer, could
make you vulnerable to accusation of mal-practice.
2- You are repeating a 1M potency four times a day without asking for any
reports.
Please justify.
3- You are also introducing another remedy while the patient is under the
influence of the first.
What is the justification of this?
You may have a 'long experience' at homoeopathy, but we need to be careful
at what we do and take a critical look from time to time.
[My father used to teach Building Materials at University in Tehran and I
used to learn some parts from him. Most roofs in Tehran have a layer of
hessian coated completely in pitch. The pitch arrives on site a solid blocks
and has to melted for the hessian to be dipped in it or for the pitch to be
poured on to the layer of hessian.
The pitch has to be melted but NOT boiled. Yet when one attends to most
building sites in Tehran you see the pitch being boiled vigorously and all
the natural plasticisers being evaporated. So in the extreme cold of winter
the layer of pitch becomes brittle and will crack and water will then leak.
I remember challenging a man who was boiling his pitch and he turned around
and said "I should think I know how to prepare pitch, I have been doing it
for 20 years."
My parting remark was "For 20 years you have done it wrong!"]
Best wishes
Soroush
Message: 22
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:45:01 +0300
From: "Dr. Syed Rafatullah"
Subject: Re: 5th cranial nerve??
Dear Dr. Ebrahimi,
The Rx for Mr. Vijay Kumar's wife was made as an "acute prescribing".You are
absolutely right to take a holistic approach which is fundamental of
homeopathy.Regarding potency, I selected on the basis of my long
experience.
Thanx for your input.
My regards.
Dr. Syed Rafatullah
Firstly, I am NOT a doctor, I am a Homoeopath.
I had many problems with your response below.
1- Firstly you write to tell the husband of a person that YOU HAVE NEVER
SEEN to give her such and such a remedy.
That in my opinion is WRONG and although Minutus has a disclaimer, could
make you vulnerable to accusation of mal-practice.
2- You are repeating a 1M potency four times a day without asking for any
reports.
Please justify.
3- You are also introducing another remedy while the patient is under the
influence of the first.
What is the justification of this?
You may have a 'long experience' at homoeopathy, but we need to be careful
at what we do and take a critical look from time to time.
[My father used to teach Building Materials at University in Tehran and I
used to learn some parts from him. Most roofs in Tehran have a layer of
hessian coated completely in pitch. The pitch arrives on site a solid blocks
and has to melted for the hessian to be dipped in it or for the pitch to be
poured on to the layer of hessian.
The pitch has to be melted but NOT boiled. Yet when one attends to most
building sites in Tehran you see the pitch being boiled vigorously and all
the natural plasticisers being evaporated. So in the extreme cold of winter
the layer of pitch becomes brittle and will crack and water will then leak.
I remember challenging a man who was boiling his pitch and he turned around
and said "I should think I know how to prepare pitch, I have been doing it
for 20 years."
My parting remark was "For 20 years you have done it wrong!"]
Best wishes
Soroush
Message: 22
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:45:01 +0300
From: "Dr. Syed Rafatullah"
Subject: Re: 5th cranial nerve??
Dear Dr. Ebrahimi,
The Rx for Mr. Vijay Kumar's wife was made as an "acute prescribing".You are
absolutely right to take a holistic approach which is fundamental of
homeopathy.Regarding potency, I selected on the basis of my long
experience.
Thanx for your input.
My regards.
Dr. Syed Rafatullah
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: 5th cranial nerve??
Soroush wrote:
...
In a chronic, functional case my thinking would be similar to yours. But
for nerve damage??? Even a badly sprained ankle would need more than
that...
Shannon
...
In a chronic, functional case my thinking would be similar to yours. But
for nerve damage??? Even a badly sprained ankle would need more than
that...
Shannon
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Dr. Syed Rafatullah
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Re: 5th cranial nerve??
Dear Dr. Ebrahimi,
The Rx for Mr. Vijay Kumar's wife was made as an "acute prescribing".You are
absolutely right to take a holistic approach which is fundamental of
homeopathy.Regarding potency, I selected on the basis of my long
experience.
Thanx for your input.
My regards.
Dr. Syed Rafatullah
The Rx for Mr. Vijay Kumar's wife was made as an "acute prescribing".You are
absolutely right to take a holistic approach which is fundamental of
homeopathy.Regarding potency, I selected on the basis of my long
experience.
Thanx for your input.
My regards.
Dr. Syed Rafatullah
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Ellen Madono
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- Joined: Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:00 pm
Re: 5th cranial nerve??
Dear Dr. Rafatullah,
I am very interested to hear your perspective and your method. My exposure is so limited to people who have had similar training and experience. I don't want to close bridges before I can even see what is on the other side. Please don't be discouraged by combative people.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono
I am very interested to hear your perspective and your method. My exposure is so limited to people who have had similar training and experience. I don't want to close bridges before I can even see what is on the other side. Please don't be discouraged by combative people.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono
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Soroush Ebrahimi
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Re: 5th cranial nerve??
Hi Shannon
Firstly in the darkness I had a hell of a job finding the mirror but it
seems I have managed it !
The way I was taught was start low (especially when there is a physical
symptom) and go up potency if one needs to.
It has been established that what can be cured by a low potency is often
left by a high potency. Why that should be, I do not know, perhaps this is
where the remedy is not a Similimum but a close similar. So to be sure if we
start on 30, we can go up without any problem it that is what is needed.
However, it is not so good to come down potencies.
The other point is that this woman has had a stroke. So although it is
likely that the nerve is not functioning because of disruption of blood
supply to the brain, in most cases, when the blood supply to that part of
the brain is restored and through good physiotherapy, the functions are
restored to a high degree.
Do not forget that no one on this list has seen her and we cannot evaluate
the strength of her vital force and therefore need to avoid any agg.
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http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art ... lekey=7606
Fifth cranial nerve: The fifth cranial nerve is the trigeminal nerve.
The trigeminal nerve is quite complex. It functions both as the chief nerve
of sensation for the face and the motor nerve controlling the muscles of
mastication (chewing).
Problems with the sensory part of the trigeminal nerve result in pain or
loss of sensation in the face. Problems with the motor root of the
trigeminal nerve result in deviation of the jaw toward the affected side and
trouble chewing.
The cranial nerves, the trigeminal nerve included, emerge from or enter the
skull (the cranium), as opposed to the spinal nerves which emerge from the
vertebral column. There are twelve cranial nerves.
The term "trigeminal" comes from the Latin "trigeminus" meaning "threefold,"
referring to the three divisions (ophthalmic, maxillary and mandibular) of
this nerve.
================
Best wishes
Soroush
Message: 6
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 06:32:13 -0600
From: Robert&Shannon Nelson
Subject: Re: 5th cranial nerve??
Soroush wrote:
...
well
In a chronic, functional case my thinking would be similar to yours. But
for nerve damage??? Even a badly sprained ankle would need more than
that...
Shannon
Firstly in the darkness I had a hell of a job finding the mirror but it
seems I have managed it !
The way I was taught was start low (especially when there is a physical
symptom) and go up potency if one needs to.
It has been established that what can be cured by a low potency is often
left by a high potency. Why that should be, I do not know, perhaps this is
where the remedy is not a Similimum but a close similar. So to be sure if we
start on 30, we can go up without any problem it that is what is needed.
However, it is not so good to come down potencies.
The other point is that this woman has had a stroke. So although it is
likely that the nerve is not functioning because of disruption of blood
supply to the brain, in most cases, when the blood supply to that part of
the brain is restored and through good physiotherapy, the functions are
restored to a high degree.
Do not forget that no one on this list has seen her and we cannot evaluate
the strength of her vital force and therefore need to avoid any agg.
================
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art ... lekey=7606
Fifth cranial nerve: The fifth cranial nerve is the trigeminal nerve.
The trigeminal nerve is quite complex. It functions both as the chief nerve
of sensation for the face and the motor nerve controlling the muscles of
mastication (chewing).
Problems with the sensory part of the trigeminal nerve result in pain or
loss of sensation in the face. Problems with the motor root of the
trigeminal nerve result in deviation of the jaw toward the affected side and
trouble chewing.
The cranial nerves, the trigeminal nerve included, emerge from or enter the
skull (the cranium), as opposed to the spinal nerves which emerge from the
vertebral column. There are twelve cranial nerves.
The term "trigeminal" comes from the Latin "trigeminus" meaning "threefold,"
referring to the three divisions (ophthalmic, maxillary and mandibular) of
this nerve.
================
Best wishes
Soroush
Message: 6
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 06:32:13 -0600
From: Robert&Shannon Nelson
Subject: Re: 5th cranial nerve??
Soroush wrote:
...
well
In a chronic, functional case my thinking would be similar to yours. But
for nerve damage??? Even a badly sprained ankle would need more than
that...
Shannon
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: 5th cranial nerve??
Hi Soroush,
Questions!
on 12/8/04 4:02 AM, Finrod at finrod@webstar.co.uk wrote:
??Er, what did I miss? (Maybe I'm too slow this morning, yawn!)
I think the key point, really, is "the rest of the case". In my reply I
guess I had overlooked that it's not a straightforward injury situation. I
completely agree with you that this isn't a good way to get care for chronic
situations, because it's too easy to miss important information. But I'm
curious--
And the reverse seems also to be true--what can be cured by a high potency,
is often left by a low. So... We need to suit the potency to the case!
(In saying this I'm not arguing that this case ought to have high; I should
not have jumped in, because I prefer not to pursue it right now.)
Well, I've never heard anyone claim that a single remedy in a single potency
would cure entirely...
To me it both makes sense and also suits observation that different
potencies act differently. (Tho I'm finding some of them less different
than I was initially taught!) It's an interesting topic that I still have
questions about!
??? I have never seen that to be a problem! What's your reason for saying
so? I'm interested in the question, so with apologies
Examples: Years ago I was doing very well on "my constitutional remedy";
lots of excellent breakthrus, tremendous improvement in overall state of
health and energy, widely spaced doses going gradually up the scale, I think
I'd reached 10M. But at one point went thru some "rough waters", wound up
with an *awful* respiratory illness. My h'th prescribed my "constitutional"
remedy (*not* because it was that, but on basis of symptom similarity!), but
had me take it in (I forget exactly) either 30c or perhaps 200c (I think it
was 30)--because, he said, this was a "very physical" disorder (my prior M/E
symptoms were still quite gone) and repeating the high potency could "miss"
the level it needed to address. (This supports your remark, that what a low
potency could cure, a high potency might leave.) It worked great. Then
next time I needed a re-dose we went back to the prior level.
I have used low potency (usually 12 or 6) as "back-up" to a high potency,
with good results (e.g. when the high potency dose is working well, but the
person is under extra challenge and needs further support). I have used low
potencies in place of repeating a high potency (worked fine, tho I've done
this only a couple of times so there could be wrinkles).
I have seen hints that at some point the lower potency may have done all
that it can and you need to go higher--but OTOH I have also heard that the
actual need is simply to *change* the potency, and that going lower can work
as well as going higher. (And I'm guessing that could vary depending on the
needs of the case, but am only guessing.)
Bottom line--altho I aim to be fairly orderly about potencies, I also
sometimes play "fast and loose" with it ("use what you have"!) and, so long
as the chosen potency addresses the current needs and state of the case,
have not seen any problem with it. I am interested in others experiences!
Best,
Shannon
Questions!
on 12/8/04 4:02 AM, Finrod at finrod@webstar.co.uk wrote:
??Er, what did I miss? (Maybe I'm too slow this morning, yawn!)
I think the key point, really, is "the rest of the case". In my reply I
guess I had overlooked that it's not a straightforward injury situation. I
completely agree with you that this isn't a good way to get care for chronic
situations, because it's too easy to miss important information. But I'm
curious--
And the reverse seems also to be true--what can be cured by a high potency,
is often left by a low. So... We need to suit the potency to the case!
(In saying this I'm not arguing that this case ought to have high; I should
not have jumped in, because I prefer not to pursue it right now.)
Well, I've never heard anyone claim that a single remedy in a single potency
would cure entirely...
To me it both makes sense and also suits observation that different
potencies act differently. (Tho I'm finding some of them less different
than I was initially taught!) It's an interesting topic that I still have
questions about!
??? I have never seen that to be a problem! What's your reason for saying
so? I'm interested in the question, so with apologies
Examples: Years ago I was doing very well on "my constitutional remedy";
lots of excellent breakthrus, tremendous improvement in overall state of
health and energy, widely spaced doses going gradually up the scale, I think
I'd reached 10M. But at one point went thru some "rough waters", wound up
with an *awful* respiratory illness. My h'th prescribed my "constitutional"
remedy (*not* because it was that, but on basis of symptom similarity!), but
had me take it in (I forget exactly) either 30c or perhaps 200c (I think it
was 30)--because, he said, this was a "very physical" disorder (my prior M/E
symptoms were still quite gone) and repeating the high potency could "miss"
the level it needed to address. (This supports your remark, that what a low
potency could cure, a high potency might leave.) It worked great. Then
next time I needed a re-dose we went back to the prior level.
I have used low potency (usually 12 or 6) as "back-up" to a high potency,
with good results (e.g. when the high potency dose is working well, but the
person is under extra challenge and needs further support). I have used low
potencies in place of repeating a high potency (worked fine, tho I've done
this only a couple of times so there could be wrinkles).
I have seen hints that at some point the lower potency may have done all
that it can and you need to go higher--but OTOH I have also heard that the
actual need is simply to *change* the potency, and that going lower can work
as well as going higher. (And I'm guessing that could vary depending on the
needs of the case, but am only guessing.)
Bottom line--altho I aim to be fairly orderly about potencies, I also
sometimes play "fast and loose" with it ("use what you have"!) and, so long
as the chosen potency addresses the current needs and state of the case,
have not seen any problem with it. I am interested in others experiences!
Best,
Shannon
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Barbara Stephenson
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Re: 5th cranial nerve??
Hi Soroush
I find this article about the 5th cranial nerve very interesting and have
been busy thinking about it all day. I had a bad deterioration in my
eyesight this year (waiting to be registered as "partially sighted) and a
very bad attack of trigeminal neuralgia earlier this year. Co-incidence or
possible connection? I am going to discuss this further with both my
homeopath and optician. Thanks for the link!
Best wishes
Barbara
I find this article about the 5th cranial nerve very interesting and have
been busy thinking about it all day. I had a bad deterioration in my
eyesight this year (waiting to be registered as "partially sighted) and a
very bad attack of trigeminal neuralgia earlier this year. Co-incidence or
possible connection? I am going to discuss this further with both my
homeopath and optician. Thanks for the link!
Best wishes
Barbara