Prophylaxis as Classical Homeopathy

[andyh]

Dear Shannon,
With some more info that has come in from Ahmed Currim (re: Grimmer's
methods) and Rochelle (re:SK Banerjea's contemporary methods of
prophylaxis, which descend directly from HC Allen) here is a revised and
better answer to your earlier query:

Shannon wrote:

Hi Andy,
on 4/14/04 7:27 PM, andyh@mcn.org at andyh@mcn.org wrote (re: Golden's protocol):
Shannon wrote:
Wow, if we were talking Medieval Europe, that would be one thing; but here
and now? Do those of us with unvaccinated kids and selves worry about
Polio, diptheria, tetanus and pertussis? Dang, not me!!!!

999

1. Shannon, you and I are not typical as we are homeopaths, and have a
big advantage. Possibly one of the reasons you became a homeopath was
to take care of your family and be self reliant. But put yourself in the
shoes of those parents who know nothing of homeopathy, find out how
destructive vaccines are, and are looking for an alternative to the
regime they have been told since day one by their pediatrician is
ESSENTIAL, and threatened with all kinds of scenarios if they choose an alternative.

2. We are not so far away from "Medieval Europe". First of all, polio,
diptheria, and pertussis, among other diseases (eg Tuberculosis) still
exist as susceptibilities in the constitutions of Americans, these
miasmatic taints have merely been suppressed away. They can return, as
Tuberculosis and venereal diseases have to some degree in recent years
as endemic. Tetanus is rare, and if you don't like the tetanotoxinum
prophylactic, then arm clients with Ledum (which is also a good first
measure after Deer Tick bites to help ward off Lyme (I have stopped Lyme
personally twice with Ledum 200--the first time I did not notice the
bite and started feeling weak and found the bite (with red areola), and
Ledum 200 daily for 2 weeks threw it off commpletely, during process of
which I developed (for 1 day) "rheumatism" of the knees, a very peculiar
sensation for someone who has never had anything of the kind. The second
tick I noticed the bite right away and took Led 200 one dose with no
problems ensuing. A few clients have also used it after bites with no
problem). Ledum should work well after a puncture wound with concern
about tetanus (a rare problem)--I would give a 30 or a 200 (judgement
call) right away if a really dirty wound and/or use it in a protocol
with clients with outdoorsy boy children.

Homeopathic prophylaxis is not about "fear of disease", but common
sense. What has been suppressed away can return, and antibiotics may
not check the epidemic so fast anymore. For one or two of these
"antique" diseases, we could be right back in the late 19th century
situations. Not saying that will happen (!), but your attitude seems a
bit naive (at best), haughty at worst.
As well, for those on this list who are in third world countries,
"Medieval Europe" for some of these diseases (and newer ones) LIVES ON
in VERY REAL TERMS.

NEW DATA FROM BANERJEA ON PROPHYLAXIS AS PROBABLY USED BY HC ALLEN

Here is what Rochelle posted about the methods of Dr. SK Banerjea of
Calcutta, which is a bit closer to late 19th century America
epidemiologically, with a few other things thrown in (eg Leprosy,
Filariasis, (our Indian colleagues can fill in the blanks of other
life-ruining diseases that are endemic in India). Dr. Banerjea (who I
have heard in seminar twice), is a 3rd generation homeopath whose
grandfather studied with HC Allen, a stalwart of the IHA circa 1900. All
HC Allen's methods were imported and implemented as almost a carbon copy
by Banerjea's grandfather. In seminar, Dr. Banerjea demonstrated that
he knew Allen's Keynotes by heart page by page, symptom by symptom, as
if it was the Bible. His school of homeopathy in Calcutta is
Bengal-Allen Institute, in honor of HC Allen. Thus his schedules for
routine homeopathic and isopathic prophylaxis (below, as posted by
Rochelle) are likely to be nearly identical to what HC Allen did. Dr.
Saine said that members of the IHA used routine (scheduled) prophylaxis
for dangerous diseases in vulnerable children (eg probably when the
chronic rx not clear or result uncertain--and maybe in some cases for
their entire pediatric practice, to be certain of safety). Here is more
evidence independent of Saine's research. In a large practice, this
would be the only way to protect your client's children with certainty
without having to deal with a huge onslaught in your office or on your
phone (ie. a logistical hassle of large proportion) whenever an epidemic
that was endemic (in the country as a whole) came right into the
backyard for a while.

Three things are noticed below:
1. That Banerjea gives ALL CHILDREN, (confirmed chronic simillimum OR NOT):
3-9 months (age) Tubercullinum Bov. in place of BCG

Diptherium +Pertussin +Tetanotoxin at intervals of 1-2
months in place of DTP

Lathyrus in place of trivalent Polio

Remember, Banerjea is practicing in all likelihood exactly as did HC
Allen, who wrote Allen's Keynotes, Materia Medica of the Nosodes, and a
member of the IHA, to this day the best group of homeopaths ever to
practice, treating everything without antibiotics (at that point still
30 or more years off) and with hospital practices in one of the 100 or
so homeopathic hospitals in the country at that time.

I hope this additional info from Sk Banerjea puts to rest any doubt
about the use of scheduled vaccinations by members of the IHA, even if
many of them did not practice this way. Homeopathic prophylaxis came
directly from Hahemann, Boenninghausen, and Jahr; and isopathic
prophylaxis came from Hering and members of the IHA. THEY ARE PART of
Classical homeopathy, a system to relieve suffering, NOT a religion.
Yes, we want to foment natural immunity via the chronic simillimum
(today, a result attained at best about 60% of the time (see previous
post); but when we are not CERTAIN and there is significant risk
endemic; for all, or for some portion of the client load, prophylactic
methods are not a "SIN"! When the alternative is (for example) risk of
a dangerous disease OR conventional vaccination for it, these
prophylactic methods are an easy and virtually HARMLESS alternative when
used correctly as they have been in this form for some 120 years or so.
Dr. Banerjea's method below is probably almost a carbon copy of HC
Allen's method.

2. The second thing to notice is that Dr. Banerjea has more modern data
to add to the statistics given to us by Andre Saine. Here are his
specific efficacy data. He does not cite the sample size, but my guess
is that it is NOT SMALL, given the typical practice size in India (some
practitioners see an unbelievable number of clients daily, and Banerjea
is no exception. He has two practices: one free (in which he might see
for example, 100 clients in a day; and one paid, in which clients
receive a longer interview). The free clients are assessed using the
barest of indications (using miasmatic and keynote prescribing). So the
sample size may be sufficient so that it is comparable or exceeds the
studies cited by Dr. Saine in the earlier posts I have made on this
topic. Here is Dr. Banerjea's efficacy data on homeopathic prophylaxis
using Lathyrus for polio and Baptisia for typhoid, and isopathic
prophylaxis for the rest:

Lathyrus - lots of failures
Diptherium - 40% success
Tuberculinum - 99% success
Pertussin - 95% success
Morbillinum - 70% success but better if they have measles!
Baptisia - Typhoid - 90% success
Tetanotoxin - 50/60% success

This suggests that Polio nosode may be a better alternative, something
homeopathic may be better for Diptheria, and that perhaps Ledum is
preferred over Tetanotox. Morbillinum has other uses other than just a
prophylactic for measles or ailments from measles:

Morbillinum (Synthesis 8.1.4)
MIND - FEAR - sea; of the
EYE - INFLAMMATION - Optic nerve
EYE - PARALYSIS - Lids, of - Upper
CHEST - INFLAMMATION - Lungs
FEVER - TYPHOID FEVER
SKIN - ERUPTIONS - measles
GENERALS - CHRONIC DISEASES, to begin treatment
GENERALS - HISTORY; personal - cancer; of
GENERALS - MEASLES - ailments after
GENERALS - MEASLES - ailments after - never well since
GENERALS - SYPHILIS

But measles is not a severe disease and is exercise for the immune
mechanism, as is parotiditis (mumps).

The other data above provided by Dr. Banerjea, corroborates or exceeds
the data cited by Dr. Saine, i.e. an efficacy of isopathic protection of
90% or better. (Recall that the Genus epidemicus (the simillimum for
the character of the group disease (epidemic)), when present in an
epidemic with stable symptomology, has a historical efficacy of nearly
100%). As already stated, the isopathic prophylactic is the simile,
and will not protect all cases. The Genus epidemicus is the (epidemic)
facsimile (simillimum), and will cure all those afflicted with the
particular acute epidemic (if it has coherence and only one remedy) and
protect those as yet afflicted. Recall these pieces of data from Dr.
Saine showing the astounding results of protection by the even isopathic prophylaxis:

(close simile (cowpox)
Texas Homeopathic Palette, 1883- Vaccininum (homeopathic cowpox) was
used, and completely protected against smallpox, even those eating and
playing with those that had smallpox.

(isopathic)
1870-Swan (American) and Fincke introduced nosodes, and Variolinum was
one introduced.
In 100 families that already had smallpox in the family, Variolinum was
protective of the remaining members. Remember, smallpox is extremely contagious.

(homeopathic (genus epidemicus)
1871-Sarracenia (Pitcher Plant)(which was developed by Hering) was the
genus epidemicus of a smallpox epidemic in Belgium. No deaths occurred
in those immunized homeopathically. All the names and addresses were documented.
3. The third thing to note in this Banerjea info from Rochelle is that
this potency schedule is recommended:

******Potency - 200 then 1M 8 - 24hrs apart. If the child is weak give
30 then 200.

This is more or less a compromise between the posology of Golden's
protocol and Saine's general plan taken from his research on what IHA
members, Grimmer, and Schmidt (student of Kent) did. So there is
another data point on posology for the squeamish.

BANERJEA INFO FROM ROCHELLE:
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rochelle wrote:
Re: [Minutus] Isaac Golden's Immunizations
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:42:18 +0100
From: "rochelle"
I have been away and not keeping up with all the post but what I would
like to offer you all are my notes from a lecture a few years back at
college from Dr S Bannerjea. He shows the percentage failures and which
prophylaxic vaccinations work and which don't.

Regards
Rochelle

Childrens' Remedies

Vaccination -Constitutional remedy is best possible vaccination

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When (client has been) Vaccinated

6-12 months

1. URI (DPT and Polio) --- Cough, Cold, Coryza. They get an anti cold
medicine and antibiotics. This causes wheezing so they go onto Ventalin
and then steroids as it progresses to asthma.

2. Next comes acute suppurative otitis media, which can become chronic.
(BCG, DTP). They then get glue ear and grommets (ear tubes)!

3. Febrile seizures (MMR). If get 3+ seizures they get anti convulsive
drugs for 5-6 years.

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Non vaccinated children give you the exact Materia Medica pictures
because of the lack of suppression.

If you can't find the constitutional:

3-9 months Tubercullinum Bov. in place of BCG
Diptherium +Pertussin +Tenanotoxin at intervals of 1-2 months in place
of DTP
Lathyrus in place of trivalent Polio (See later - it doesn't work!)

******Potency - 200 then 1M 8 - 24hrs apart. If the child is weak give
30 then 200.

9-12 months Morbillinum (MMR) - not necessary to give to healthy babies
as they are better having the disease.

18 - 24 months Diptherium, pertussin, tenanotoxin as before as a
booster. No need in a healthy child. Lathyrus sat in place of OPV.

5-6 years Diptherium, tenanotoxin and then after 6 months Baptisia
instead of typhoid

10 years Tenanotoxin instead of Tetanus
+++++++++++++++++++++
If child is healthy don't bother giving anything other than the 3-9
months remedies.
+++++++++++++++++++++

Success or failure?
Lathyrus - lots of failures
Diptherium - 40% success
Tuberculinum - 99% success
Pertussin - 95% success
Morbillinum - 70% success but better if they have measles!
Baptisia - Typhoid - 90% success
Tetanotoxin - 50/60% success
If a child comes after problems with DTP reaction give DTP in potency.

www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
(back to Shannon's questions)

andyh had written:

Hm.... I realize this isn't "your" argument, but how can you say that 70M
twice yearly is anything removely approaching Golden's; which looks like
roughly 15 doses *each* of 200, 1M, 10M, all within the first two years?
Hey, I'll take two doses of 70M *anytime*, over that... Not to mention
treating *one* disease which was actually a risk, not a pocketful of random
neuroses.

999 Well, I cant tell you EXACTLY how Grimmer practiced. I did tell
you this protocol that Andre reported:

A.H. Grimmer gave Lathyrus "vaccinations"in 5000 cases, with 100%
protection. Grimmer recommended:
-Lathyrus 30C once a month for 3 months for kids 1-3 years old
-2 months later, Lathyrus 200C every other month for 2 doses
-then Lathyrus 1M 2 months later
-then Lathyrus 70M twice a year for 5 years

Now, I don't think Polio was the only disease he was hedging against in
his practice. And I would expect that he used a similar, if not
identical method with measures for other epidemic diseases (you do the
math to see how close it is to either Saine's or Golden's protocols). In
fact, Ahmed Currim reports that Grimmer did use prophylaxis for the same
variety of conditions as did HC Allen, and a few more as well:

Here is his post:
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Digest Number 1484
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:21:37 -0400
From:

Dear All: Grimmer's method and schedule for polio immunization are detailed
in the book: The Collected Works of Arthur Hill Grimmer Edited by Ahmed N.
Currim, MD available from Discount Homeopathic Resources; or Minimum Price
or Ahmed N. Currim (ancurrim@earthlink.net)

For children 1 to 3 years of
age; Lath-s. 30 once a month for 3 months DURING THE EPIDEMIC. Two months
after the third dose of the 30th potency Lath-s. 200 and repeated again
in 2
months. 2 months after the second 200 th one dose of 1M. thereafter 10M 2x
per year for 5 years to ensure protection for life. For older children and
adults the spacing of the doses in the same potencies are the same for the
first 3 months after which longer intervals between doses can intervene-
such as doses of the 1M every six months for several years.
It should be remembered that this is what Grimmer used when the polio
epidemic was very strong (between 1945 and 1965). Grimmer died in 1967 and
did not give a schedule after 1965. It is probable , in view of the decrease
of polio that fewer doses would be required today. Grimmer also gave other
remedies for polio also mentioned in this book and prohylactics for
diphtheria,malaria( very useful today for those travelling to areas where
malaria still exists);heart disease;pertusis; yellow fever; radiation
etc. I
have used the Grimmer protocols for many years with great success. Kind
regards. Ahmed Currim
(Back to Shannon questions)

andyh had written:
How many children did Grimmer report had problems with that schedule? Zero.

Shannon wrote:
I would love to know whether same can be said of Golden's system. One
(small) part of my objection (one might say "nausea") toward this sort of
approach is that, if there *are* problems caused, how will one know, when
the poor babe has been under assault since birth? I suppose if you track
enough children from birth thru adulthood and do a statistical study of
their health, and find that all grow to be happy, healthy, productive
adults, then we can assume the barrage has done no harm. I wonder whether
this has been done? If not, it *should* be!

Again, the material you posted is lovely, but I really, really don't see
where it has *anything* to do with Golden's listed protocol.

999 By this time you have seen what Australians do with Golden's
protocol; Saines protocol from the IHA and Schmidt, etc; what HC Allen
did; and perhaps your SQUEAMISHNESS is somewhat palliated. Again might
I say that you are speaking from a very priviledged place: living in a
land of suppressed immmune systems where normal susceptibility is not
present, so eruptions of acute disease are not fraught with the same
danger as they were in the time of HC Allen (for example). But this may
be changing somewhat, whether that is happening completely naturally or
not. You term a schedule of prophylactics as a "barrage". Compare that
"barrage" of potentized water with the actual disease (if it is fatal,
crippling, disfiguring, or fraught with sequelae) or the Jennerian
vaccine in its modern guise. I think you will see that you are being
SQUEAMISH (and you are not alone in that viewpoint, it seems). Clinical
judgement should be used to minimize remedial
administration; but what I. Golden is espousing, as you have hopefully
by now seen, is not "out of whack" with historical Classical techniques.
What diseases are chosen to place measures against in present time and
location is the choice of the practitioner and the clients based on
local epidemiology and desired immunity (which using these type of
protocols, at least Dr. Currim above says were claimed by Grimmer to
confer specific immunity for life (this is of course tempered IN THIS
CASE by whether Lathyrus still works for (at least the Indian strain of
Polio) based on new info from Banerjea).

Dr. Currim wrote: "...For children 1 to 3 years of age; Lath-s 30 once a
month for 3 months DURING THE EPIDEMIC. Two months after the third dose
of the 30th potency, 200 and repeated again in 2 months. 2 months after
the second 200 th one dose of 1M. thereafter 10M 2x per year for 5
years to ensure protection for life..."

Shannon wrote:
(snip)

Two cycles of which remedy? Of their "constitutional", or of the nosode of
a given epidemic, or ??

999 I am sorry you did not get this the first time. Pierre Schmidt was
the star pupil of Kent (along with Grimmer, Gladwin, and others). Saine
calls Schmidt the "premier homeopath of the 20th century". The point
here is what Schmidt claimed was necessary in chronic treatment in order
to confer not only optimal general immunity, but specific immunity as
well. Notice that it takes some time and one must be certain that it is
the simillimum to expect that the person is protected from epidemic
diseases. Two cycles of 30C to MM will take a minimum of a year, and
more likely 2 or more years.

With a modern estimated optimal success rate in finding chronic
simillimums on aggregate (from estimates by Sherr, and Mangialavori and
Wansbrough/Linnane's practices) of 60%***, you can see the ESSENTIAL
place that classical homeopathic and isopathic prophylaxis plays now as
it did in the past. This is true because our present (at least in the
"1st world") relatively quiescent epidemiological climate is a
temporary phenomenon, created artificially by suppression. The
susceptibility still exists in the energetic quality (miasmatic aspect)
of the genome. Prudence and common sense about this when one is caring
or advising others should not ALWAYS be considered as merely "fear of disease".
***Reliability: 60% OPTIMAL modern success on aggregate (not
talking about small, highly time intensive practices
by themselves, but all practices added together; before persistence and
money of client expended)
this figure derived from:
--Mangialavori (interview with Nick Churchill,SOH Journal I believe)
: "1/3 of clients very good cases, 1/3 not good enough, 1/3 there is
nothing at all"
--Sherr: "overall 50%" (as relayed by Simon King from this list)
--Wansbrough and Linnane (personal communication): "60% success
(bulleyes simillimums verified)-- (this is the only classical homeopathy
clinic in the world (in London) that I know of that uses the entire
materia medica as needed while also being open to all methods (eg
Sankaran, Mangialavori's brand of taxonomic analysis, Scholten etc) in
case taking to find the rx WHILE ALSO using technology to successfully
OBJECTIVELY MEASURE THE LEVEL OF SIMILITUDE BETWEEN CLIENT AND REMEDY
(using Biolumanetic photography) in order to find the BULLSEYE, and
being able to verify it before administration. For a volume clinic, it
is probably approaching the optimal success rate at present in chronic
cases (although who knows about the Athens clinic).

(Aside: Note that Biolumanetics, while expensive (US 17.2K after
training) is (possibly) the (unheralded) most significant advance in
classical homeopathy since computer repertories. Knowing the level of
similitude of a remedy prior to administration saves the client and
practitioner time, money, and may mean the difference between success
and failure. It does not give candidate rx, only gives you a photograph
to show how similar a remedy that has been selected is in order to
confirm or eliminate that selection). 6 years of research and
successful use have occurred thus far:

Tantalus, A Journal of Biolumanetics

999 So, in summary of about 4 or so posts on this topic, it can be seen
that "fear of homeopathic and isopathic prophylaxis" or "belief" that it
is not part of the Hahnemann/Hering tradition is unwarranted. It is in
fact an essential part of it, and this has been substantiated by its
place to this day in the practices of the staunchest pure classical
practitioners TO EVER PRACTICE. Squeamishness about posology is also
not warranted (in the context of its alternative --potential
susceptibility to danger of vulnerable members of a practice who did not
get the simillimum or in whom it has lapsed; OR conventional
vaccination). Aggressive posology IS NECESSARY to be certain that the
prophylactic WILL HOLD. Just how aggressive this needs to be can be
gleaned from the protocols we have looked at by Saine (modelled after
the IHA folks); Banerjea (modelled after HC Allen); and Golden (more
aggressive, but perhaps you can see why he opted for this to provide
optimal certainty (at the expense of some aggravations which probably
end up being of no consequence in people being chronically treated
homeopathically at the same time).

Thus while use of prophylaxis is up to clinical judgement, let us all
know the correct history and practice. Moreover, let us echo that
understanding to others who know nothing about the homeopathic method
and who NEED IT to bring optimal health (and protection from epidemic
disease) to themselves and their children SAFELY AND HARMLESSLY.

I hope the result of this work will be study of these methods using the
December 1988 PAHM (now PAH) tapes (Saine seminar) (may or may not be
still available through PAH San Francisco Calif. USA); or by visiting
Dr. Saine's website (do a search for Canadian Academy of Homeopathy and
his name) and checking out his video courses (which includes one on
prophylaxis).

There is some prophylaxis information in the major repertories and
provided by the elder Sankaran in his book "Elements of Homeopathy". I
will (hopefully) eventually be able to complete the "Annotated Repertory
of Homeopathic Prophylaxis" I have been compiling which brings the
existing information on prophylaxis under one cover (and/or available
through software programs).
Best,
Andy

There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets
knowledge, the latter ignorance.
Hippocrates (460 BC - 377 BC), Law
DISCLAIMER: NOTHING IN THIS POST is any kind of medical recommendation
from the author of this post, what you do is your responsibility--talk
to your homeopath or contact an authority on the topic (in this case,
Andre Saine ND in Montreal--he has a website). NOTHING in this or any
other post to Minutus, Homeolist, or privately should be construed as
medical advice of any kind from this poster--merely an extensive
discussion of what is part of classical homeopathy which seems to have
(apparently) been largely lost through disuse and prejudice, but which
is an essential part of the Homeopathic system of treatment and
prevention of acute and chronic disease. Those in so-called "third
world" countries NEED these methods all the time. In the near future,
even those in the so-called "1st and 2nd world" may need them more than
as just a curio.