pre cancerous, was classical homeopathy

[Joy Lucas]

Dear Shannon, some of these will be obvious and, of course, not a complete
list. Some of these are also nearer to being true signs of very early
cancer.

any form of long and continued suppression (physical or emotional)
excessive pallor and/or sallowness - a greenish tinge to the skin, pan
d'orange
continuous loss of weight
continuing weakness
sensations of lumps
change of voice tone
poor reflexes
general malaise
general confusion
loss of vitality
no sexual energies
cracks in the skin
'beefsteak' tongue appearance
green discharges
yellow sclera
psoriasis
h/o glandular fever, a lot of inflammatory illnesses
obstinate and intractable states
flatulence
depression
sudden changes in hair colour or texture
pearly tint to the eyes
weak pulse
hereditary factors
specific organ conditions, e.g. sudden change in bowel habits or long
continued menstrual disorders

I'm sure others could add to this.

best wishes, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 12/4/04 1:19 PM, Bob&Shannon at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:

Hi Joy,

This would have been my thought -- that the disharmony was there, leaving
signs, but the signs were not noticed or recognized. I find it easy to
imagine an allopathic patient/doctor missing signs of developing cancer,
since they (at least this is my observation) tend to wave away any sensation
or experience that doesn't have a corresponding label or drug.

But good homeopaths don't, which is why I was particularly struck by the
experience of that homeopath, since he *is* very attuned to subtle signs and
is a very good and very thorough casetaker. Obviously he was missing
*something*, but what... And if he missed it, I've no doubt that (most of?)
the rest of us would have, too.

But I would love to hear if you've more specific thoughts -- what might be
pre-cancerous signs and symptoms? Other than/in addition to M/E patterns of
denial and etc.?

Shannon
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[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks Joy, this is helpful!
A few questions:

on 4/12/04 10:09 AM, Joy Lucas at joy.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:
What's "pan d'orange"?
Can you explain this? I have some sense of what changes might occur
(looosely, anyway), but am curious why this would happen, what its
connection with cancer might be?
Again, can you explain the connection with cancer? (Other than, I suppose,
indicating a generally depressed physiology?)
??? I would have thought this would be a *late* sign, rather than an early
one?
What does this mean? Overly red and shiny, or something else?
Again, I have a dim (very dim) sense of what *might* be connection between
cancer and inflammation, but can you elaborate any?
Does this simply mean, ailments (possibly small) that aren't yielding to
what seem to be reasonable prescriptions/therapies?
Yikes these are so common! Is there more to say about their connection with
cancer?
What and why would this be?
(If it's not too much trouble...)

Again, thanks for whatever you might add, and for this terrific beginning.

Shannon

[Joy Lucas]

Dear Shannon, I think much of this has to do with the question of when and
where cancer begins in a person's body. Those who have the genetic
susceptibility (and one could argue that it has to be there for anyone to
develop cancer), can manage to fend off this condition without really
knowing about it - they go through life as healthy as possible but there
might be small clues - but then the door of susceptibility is opened due to
some traumatic incident, and cancer begins its onslaught, gaining momentum
with all the small clues the body has already expressed.

The really really early clues are going to be suppression, either physical
or emotional, or a long time of unresolved disappointment etc etc, - we are
all too familiar with the 'ailments from grief' etc scenarios but then any
disease can evolve out of this - disease is only an expression of the
inability to adapt.

But to try and answer your points.... (answered after your questions below)
on 12/4/04 8:30 PM, Bob&Shannon at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:

Thanks Joy, this is helpful!
A few questions:

on 4/12/04 10:09 AM, Joy Lucas at joy.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:
What's "pan d'orange"?

More accurately peau d'orange - the skin begins to look like the skin of an
orange - this is often seen in breast cancers
Can you explain this? I have some sense of what changes might occur
(looosely, anyway), but am curious why this would happen, what its
connection with cancer might be?

Good question about why do people lose weight when a cancer is overwhelming
them, it is as though the cancer is eating them, but it happens all the
time. It is hard to believe that a continuous loss in weight can be ignored
by people but it does happen - it is all part of the denial process. Ditto
the weakness as the disease begins to overwhelm. Sensations of lumps are a
vital clue, as though the person knows what is happening but can only
express it as a 'virtual' state and not a real one - again, the denial
process. Change of voice, apart from indicating a possible thyroid problem,
or cysts on the vocal chords etc, can be an early sign of the throat cancers
and adjoining areas.
Again, can you explain the connection with cancer? (Other than, I suppose,
indicating a generally depressed physiology?)

Exactly that
??? I would have thought this would be a *late* sign, rather than an early
one?

Possibly, but homeopaths get clients who are in this state, they come to you
with absolutely no apparent signs of cancers, so we have to be alert to this
and handle sympathetically.
What does this mean? Overly red and shiny, or something else?

The tongue tells you so much. Who is the well known homeopath who has
written at length about the appearance of tongues vis disease, I can't
recall. But the beef steak tongue will look a mess and usually has a deep
crack as well.
Again, I have a dim (very dim) sense of what *might* be connection between
cancer and inflammation, but can you elaborate any?

This will be RECURRING inflammations, it is the vital force expressing an
acute state, again and again, that is a clue to a deep pending issue.
Does this simply mean, ailments (possibly small) that aren't yielding to
what seem to be reasonable prescriptions/therapies?

More to do with the vital force breaking down and being unable to throw off
disease and/or symptoms, becomes stuck
Yikes these are so common! Is there more to say about their connection with
cancer?

If flatulence cannot be linked to diet then it CAN (doesn't mean definitely)
be linked to something much worse. And true clinical depression is deep, but
continuous unhappiness is bound to end in a diseased state - again it
depends on the individual and the susceptibility.
What and why would this be?
(If it's not too much trouble...)

Apart from the being part of the overwhelming state it is what happens,
clinically it has been observed over and over again. I have seen it a few
times. The eyes, just like the tongue tell you so much. Perhaps there is
someone else who can shed more light on this.

Everybody carries signs and symptoms with them, they are the expression of
their discontent which inevitably leads to a diseased state and observation
can play a huge part in our understanding of what the susceptibility of each
individual is. Some people are so good at this, they can look at another and
say what organs are weak, I am still working on it

Best, Joy

Again, thanks for whatever you might add, and for this terrific beginning.

Shannon

[andyh]

Joy Lucas wrote:
888 Possibly the late Prakash Vakil, who wrote a homeopathic pictorial book on Tongue diagnosis

Hi Joy,
Andy

[Patricia Hatherly]

Andy

Could you give give us a full title please and any publishing details that
you have to hand. Has it been published by Jain?

with thanks
Patricia

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Hi Patricia
I don't have the name of the book, however the Prakesh Vakil information is
a separate module in my Radar program. Here it is used as a confirmatory
method to find the similimum, using Tongue, Cough and Moon phase
information. Very interesing approach.

Below is info about the module in Radar if you are interestsed
Robyn
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Vakil's Aid to Confirm The Similimum (VACS)

By Prof. Dr. Prakash D. Vakil
Introduction
What is VACS
What does the VACS do
How does it work
About the creator

Introduction

VACS is

· a program which is the product of more than 30 years of experience in
practising Classical Homoeopathy
· a system which is based on teachings of Master Samuel Hahnemann and his
desciples like Kent, Nash
Hering etc. whose monumental work inspired Prof. Dr.Prakash D. Vakil to
create A Practical and
Scientific Homoeopathic Method (device) to simplify Homoeopathic prescribing
and to confirm a remedy
selected by a prescriber.
· a breakthrough in solving the complicated and complex cases which to-day's
Homoeopath meets in his/her
day-to-day practice.

· It helps to open a dead-lock in obstinate cases and gives a novel and
ingenious way of solving such cases.
This marvellous key offers you an insight into the cases.
· Dr.Vakil's methods are acclaimed by Homoeopaths all over the world as he
has been teaching in many
countries with live patients as the basis to give practical scientific
demonstration. We are very happy to be
associated with him and we consider this program to be one of the important
feathers in our cap!

What is VACS?

VACS (the practical approach)
Clinical research and clinical observations are important in Homoeopathy.
Homoeopathic repertories and
Homoeopathic materia medicas have many clinical symptoms. Besides toxicology
and proving they form the
third source of Homoeopathic materia medica. Constantine Hering, one of the
pioneers in Homoeopathy felt that
simply proving a remedy was not sufficient. There should be clinical
confirmation of the symptoms obtained from
proving.
Dr.Vakil has made many clinical observations in connection with tongue
examination and findings, desires
aversions, aggravations and amelioration as regards colors and different
phases of moon affecting human life in
general. He has written and published a book titled 'Tongue that does not
lie'. It is a compilation of tongue
findings from many sources with his own observations added to that. In this
book he shows that the tongue
findings are 'physical general symptoms' and not 'particular symptoms' as
some may think. He has given
various examples to prove his point. In an International congress on
Homoeopathy an eminent Homoeopath
said, 'I find it difficult to differentiate Nux-v. from Nat-m. in some
cases.' Dr.Vakil said, 'For me it is very easy. I look
at the tongue of the patient and then the case does not look as difficult as
it seemed to be.' The color
observations and the moon-phase observations have also been made after years
of clinical research. Color -
desires, aversions, aggravations and ameliorations may be considered as
'mental general symptoms'. Human
body is more than 60% water. Just the way there is high tide and low tide in
an ocean, the water in the human
body is also influenced. Thus symptoms produced by the influence of moon are
also considered as 'physical
general symptoms'. Observations in connection with this have been made by a
stalwart like Boger and also an
important personality in the recent past like Dr.P.Smith of Switzerland.
Papers in connection with all the three have
been presented in International Homoeopathic Congresses where they were open
to criticism. They have stood
the test of time. As they are 'general symptoms', they form what may be
called in Kent's language 'a three legged
stool' for a sound and reliable prescribing. When there are other symptoms
to select a remedy, they help in
guiding and confirming like a blind man's dog. The 'VACS expert system' is
mainly based on these TCM (tongue,
color and moon) symptoms. He has also made his cough-cassette available
which is a recording of different
sounds of cough of actual patients recorded for a period of 10 years.

These sounds would be useful to Homoeopaths treating respiratory conditions
with cough.
This system essentially envisages good observation on the part of the
Homoeopath treating a patient. If he/she
does'nt do it he/she is missing something. Hahnemann says that a homoeopath
should be a good observer.
Writing down history of the patient does not complete the task of the
Homoepathic physician. Thus this system
will be useful to only those who do that.
TCM is just the beginning. Many more physical findings and clinical
observations will be added to guide a
homoeopath in choosing a remedy.

So what does the VACS do?

1. After normal repertorization a remedy can be confirmed by taking TCM
symptoms from VACS.
2. With RADAR-Synthesis the TCM symptoms may be taken to repertorize to
find a remedy.
3. VACS can give TCM symptoms for specific remedies and can give
comparative extraction of TCM
symptoms of two or three remedies.
4. After TCM symptom repertorization with VACS one can go to
RADAR-synthesis and check the remedy
symptoms.
5. he actual sounds of cough in VACS help a practitioner in comparing and
confirming a remedy.

How does it work?

Prerequisites:

i) Examination of tongue and study of the repertory of the tongue
ii) The prescriber must ask the patient the color of clothes he would prefer
to put on and a strong dislike of
some certain colored clothes which he/she would never put on. Aggravation
and amelioration from wearing
some certain colored clothes may be inquired. These desires, aversions,
aggravation and amelioration are
regardless of the fashion of the day and etiquette.
iii) Observation by the practitioner as well as the patient about the
aggravation in his/her condition in relation to
the phase of the moon. If the date of aggravation is noted down the phase of
the moon can be checked from
the lunar-calendar supplied by RADAR. See The lunar calendar.

The computer would ask the practitioner: Which remedy do you want to
confirm?
After the name of the remedy is given by the practitioner VACS will allow
the practitioner to extract the 'tongue
findings' of the remedy.
Similarly the color-symptoms as well as symptoms in connection with
moon-phase would be also extracted.. If it
is a respiratory case with cough as one of the symptoms, it would be
possible to play the cough-sounds.

· If all the TCM-findings of the remedy match "Remedy fully confirmed"
· If tongue findings match but color and moon phase do not match "Remedy
very likely"
· If tongue-findings + either color or moon findings "Remedy most likely"
· If moon-phase and color findings match and tongue findings do not match
"Remedy most likely"

If TCM-findings do not confirm:
Please check your history again. It could be a small remedy for which TCM-
findings are not recorded. Please
also look for different layers and treat the last layer. Tongue often points
out the last layer so take the
tongue-findings to clear the last layer.
If inspite of TCM findings matching the remedy does not work:
Look for obstacles to recovery like smoking, drugs, any other maintaining
cause etc. The last layer requires to
be treated first. The globules given to the patient are not medicated
properly. Ask yourself, "Have I forgotten
something?"

If remedy works but TCM findings do not match:
Addition to be made in TCM findings. This is a remote possibility. Please
inform Dr.Vakil who would make the
addition after carefully checking the same.
Please note:
Tongue-findings may not be reliable in case of a smoker, a person who chews
pan and if patient has taken some
drug which colors the tongue.

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[Chua Ching Yee]

It's called "Tongue That Does Not Lie". Don't have other details. Tried to
get it once in India. I asked the man in the homoeopathic bookshop, "Do you
have this book, Tongue that does not lie? "

He grinned and replied, "Tongue always lies" !!

Ching Yee
who still hasn't found the book
on 14/4/04 6:17 am, Patricia Hatherly at triciah@rnhconsulting.com.au wrote:

[Alva Irish]

Minimum price books has it: Tongue that Does not lie by Vakil
http://www.minimum.com/
Alva

[Chua Ching Yee]

Thanks! must be a new addition. Haven't noticed it before.

C

on 14/4/04 8:43 am, Alva Irish at dr_irish@bellsouth.net wrote:

[Catherine Creel]

Dear Patricia,
You said:

Vakil (VACS) Module $150 [4]

Prof. Dr. Prakash D.Vakil's module helps you differentiate and confirm a
remedy on the basis of particular symptoms relating to the state of the
patient's tongue, color and the phases of the moon. This module serves to
simplify homeopathic prescription and confirm a particular remedy.
http://www.a2zhomeopathy.com/books.html
AND

A Text Book of Homeopathic Therapeutics for Student and Practitioners,
Volume 1: Central Nervous System.
by Prakash Vakil
http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cf ... 3Lv4qpBig-
http://www.abebooks-autoren.de/Author/2 ... akash.html

Regards,
Catherine