Hi All,
When considering sensations of cough, there is one
Cough: dryness:larynx in:
in modalities: drinking water amel:
The dryness, ( by commonsense approach) gets over by drinking water .
The common remedies are only bry, caust, kali c, and spong. (though there are many in each rubric esp the former)
Shouldn't they be one and the same ? May be someone in the know of these rubrics
can explain.
Regards
venkat
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: cough question
Hi Venkat,
Here's what I've noticed.
I used to have a cough that seemed to come from a dry spot but which was
*not* helped by water -- it felt as tho the water didn't manage to reach the
dry spot. What helped was something moist and thick, like banana.
I had another that was helped only by *very cold* water, not just any
temperature. (That was a caust cough.)
But I do find that the small sub-rubrics are simply less complete than the
larger ones, as a rule, so I'd guess there ought to be more overlap there!
Best,
Shannon
on 3/28/04 3:22 AM, J.Venkatasubramanian at apexpreci@eth.net wrote:
Here's what I've noticed.
I used to have a cough that seemed to come from a dry spot but which was
*not* helped by water -- it felt as tho the water didn't manage to reach the
dry spot. What helped was something moist and thick, like banana.
I had another that was helped only by *very cold* water, not just any
temperature. (That was a caust cough.)
But I do find that the small sub-rubrics are simply less complete than the
larger ones, as a rule, so I'd guess there ought to be more overlap there!
Best,
Shannon
on 3/28/04 3:22 AM, J.Venkatasubramanian at apexpreci@eth.net wrote:
Re: cough question
Cough is a manifestation of a rebellious action of the Lungs. This is a reflection of deficiency of the action capability of the Lung. Further, the issue of whether the cough is or is not productive is secondary. If it is dry then this is associated with a deficiency of energetic substance and if not treated appropriately will degenerate further into a dry-heat expression.
The intention should be to tonify the Lung function and to nourish the substantive aspect.
Several remedies come to mind: Kali-C; Drosera; Carbo-veg; Cup-Ac; Ars-I.
In addition I wonder whether your patient has any clinical reflection in the LI as in constipation or dry stool; whether the mouth is dry; whether there is thirst and is it for cool or warm fluids; whether there is a sense of heat in the head? Note the color of the tongue and where it may appear red( particularly its tip).
If there is affirmation to those questions then I would suggest your consideration of a couple of herbs, as in Pueraria (Ge Gen) and Salvia (Dan Shen), Isatidis (Ban Lan Gen), and Scrophularia (Xuan Shen). These have a cooling nature and an affinity for the S & LI systems with specific reflection in the throat.
HOpe this helps
"J.Venkatasubramanian" wrote:
Hi All,
When considering sensations of cough, there is one
Cough: dryness:larynx in:
in modalities: drinking water amel:
The dryness, ( by commonsense approach) gets over by drinking water .
The common remedies are only bry, caust, kali c, and spong. (though there are many in each rubric esp the former)
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The intention should be to tonify the Lung function and to nourish the substantive aspect.
Several remedies come to mind: Kali-C; Drosera; Carbo-veg; Cup-Ac; Ars-I.
In addition I wonder whether your patient has any clinical reflection in the LI as in constipation or dry stool; whether the mouth is dry; whether there is thirst and is it for cool or warm fluids; whether there is a sense of heat in the head? Note the color of the tongue and where it may appear red( particularly its tip).
If there is affirmation to those questions then I would suggest your consideration of a couple of herbs, as in Pueraria (Ge Gen) and Salvia (Dan Shen), Isatidis (Ban Lan Gen), and Scrophularia (Xuan Shen). These have a cooling nature and an affinity for the S & LI systems with specific reflection in the throat.
HOpe this helps
"J.Venkatasubramanian" wrote:
Hi All,
When considering sensations of cough, there is one
Cough: dryness:larynx in:
in modalities: drinking water amel:
The dryness, ( by commonsense approach) gets over by drinking water .
The common remedies are only bry, caust, kali c, and spong. (though there are many in each rubric esp the former)
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J.VENKATASUBRAMANIAN
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Re: cough question
Dear Allen,
This is part of an on going treatment ( battle) with my son's cough which
has not yielded to
treatment.
Thanks for some clarifying input. About what this dryness means. A morning
cough on getting up,
and an evening cough just before lying down.An unusaual accompaniment is his
rectal itch in
evenings. Cough, when in its exacerbations ( usually after a cold) ends in
sneezing. Cough that
shakes the body. Tongue slightly protruded ( in exacerbation) during
cough.Mapped tongue.
This mapped tongue is there for close to three years.
In the chronic stage, morning and evening cough (none during day). Some
times a cough
before or after midnight. I suspected the fan causing the dryness of larynx
since he was breathing
as if from a dry throat. With a few sips of water he just went to sleep.
This I have seen during the
past fortnight.
The temperature modality is just not clear even for me. He cannot take milk
hot and wants them cold.
At a mental level, he is a headstrong boy ( age 6).
Causatively: Had an eruption like open ulcer about a centimeter all over the
body four years back.
Allopathically controlled, he had a gushing, violent, horrible smelling
dysentery . Which again was
allopathically treated and then a whooping type of cough started. Allpotahic
treatment didn't help.
Then I became a convert to homepathy and learnt it myself.
The tub 200 took away the tendency to frequent cold. Still the trio of
cough- anal itch- mapped
tongue persisted.
I gave kali m 30 and then 200. He almost proved it. He had a diarrhea as
hering describes.
In between pertussin 30 was given. ( a folly which I now realise).
Then cina 200. Horrible aggravation. Case went to the allopath.
In my last analysis, kali c, iod, were the closest.Iod 30 a week back
Repeated again the fourth say.
Cough seemed ok. But y'day there was a flareup (slight) in the evening. Also
at 11 pm. Gave him
a puls 30 and he slept.
The change after iod is that there are eruptions in the anus red and slighly
elevated and itching.
Iod seems the closest one still. Kali c also has some like sleepy after
dinner, cough amel after
breakfast, the after midnight agg, the mapped tongue and dryness of throat.
Iod was chosen
since the heat predominating.Kalic being a chilly one. Another factor being
the Kali c was
given about a year back and no appreciable change.But, after tub, things
might have changed.
Another thought suggested was sang by Claudia.The ailments after Whooping
cough. Every
cold brings on attacks which partake the character of the whooping cough.
Dryness of
throat. Morning - evening cough. This being a clinical finding, needs
serious thought.
I am presently in a clogged situtation. May be due to the closeness to the
situation and
missing the larger picture( which requires looking things from a distance).
Your and the group's ideas welcome.
Regards
Venkat
This is part of an on going treatment ( battle) with my son's cough which
has not yielded to
treatment.
Thanks for some clarifying input. About what this dryness means. A morning
cough on getting up,
and an evening cough just before lying down.An unusaual accompaniment is his
rectal itch in
evenings. Cough, when in its exacerbations ( usually after a cold) ends in
sneezing. Cough that
shakes the body. Tongue slightly protruded ( in exacerbation) during
cough.Mapped tongue.
This mapped tongue is there for close to three years.
In the chronic stage, morning and evening cough (none during day). Some
times a cough
before or after midnight. I suspected the fan causing the dryness of larynx
since he was breathing
as if from a dry throat. With a few sips of water he just went to sleep.
This I have seen during the
past fortnight.
The temperature modality is just not clear even for me. He cannot take milk
hot and wants them cold.
At a mental level, he is a headstrong boy ( age 6).
Causatively: Had an eruption like open ulcer about a centimeter all over the
body four years back.
Allopathically controlled, he had a gushing, violent, horrible smelling
dysentery . Which again was
allopathically treated and then a whooping type of cough started. Allpotahic
treatment didn't help.
Then I became a convert to homepathy and learnt it myself.
The tub 200 took away the tendency to frequent cold. Still the trio of
cough- anal itch- mapped
tongue persisted.
I gave kali m 30 and then 200. He almost proved it. He had a diarrhea as
hering describes.
In between pertussin 30 was given. ( a folly which I now realise).
Then cina 200. Horrible aggravation. Case went to the allopath.
In my last analysis, kali c, iod, were the closest.Iod 30 a week back
Repeated again the fourth say.
Cough seemed ok. But y'day there was a flareup (slight) in the evening. Also
at 11 pm. Gave him
a puls 30 and he slept.
The change after iod is that there are eruptions in the anus red and slighly
elevated and itching.
Iod seems the closest one still. Kali c also has some like sleepy after
dinner, cough amel after
breakfast, the after midnight agg, the mapped tongue and dryness of throat.
Iod was chosen
since the heat predominating.Kalic being a chilly one. Another factor being
the Kali c was
given about a year back and no appreciable change.But, after tub, things
might have changed.
Another thought suggested was sang by Claudia.The ailments after Whooping
cough. Every
cold brings on attacks which partake the character of the whooping cough.
Dryness of
throat. Morning - evening cough. This being a clinical finding, needs
serious thought.
I am presently in a clogged situtation. May be due to the closeness to the
situation and
missing the larger picture( which requires looking things from a distance).
Your and the group's ideas welcome.
Regards
Venkat
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Re: cough question
Dear Venkat,
Lachesis seems to be the remedy.Think about it.
It covers all symptoms.
you may give single dose of 200.
Dr sadhwani
"J.Venkatasubramanian" wrote:
Dear Allen,
This is part of an on going treatment ( battle) with my son's cough which
has not yielded to
treatment.
Thanks for some clarifying input. About what this dryness means. A morning
cough on getting up,
and an evening cough just before lying down.An unusaual accompaniment is his
rectal itch in
evenings. Cough, when in its exacerbations ( usually after a cold) ends in
sneezing. Cough that
shakes the body. Tongue slightly protruded ( in exacerbation) during
cough.Mapped tongue.
This mapped tongue is there for close to three years.
In the chronic stage, morning and evening cough (none during day). Some
times a cough
before or after midnight. I suspected the fan causing the dryness of larynx
since he was breathing
as if from a dry throat. With a few sips of water he just went to sleep.
This I have seen during the
past fortnight.
The temperature modality is just not clear even for me. He cannot take milk
hot and wants them cold.
At a mental level, he is a headstrong boy ( age 6).
Causatively: Had an eruption like open ulcer about a centimeter all over the
body four years back.
Allopathically controlled, he had a gushing, violent, horrible smelling
dysentery . Which again was
allopathically treated and then a whooping type of cough started. Allpotahic
treatment didn't help.
Then I became a convert to homepathy and learnt it myself.
The tub 200 took away the tendency to frequent cold. Still the trio of
cough- anal itch- mapped
tongue persisted.
I gave kali m 30 and then 200. He almost proved it. He had a diarrhea as
hering describes.
In between pertussin 30 was given. ( a folly which I now realise).
Then cina 200. Horrible aggravation. Case went to the allopath.
In my last analysis, kali c, iod, were the closest.Iod 30 a week back
Repeated again the fourth say.
Cough seemed ok. But y'day there was a flareup (slight) in the evening. Also
at 11 pm. Gave him
a puls 30 and he slept.
The change after iod is that there are eruptions in the anus red and slighly
elevated and itching.
Iod seems the closest one still. Kali c also has some like sleepy after
dinner, cough amel after
breakfast, the after midnight agg, the mapped tongue and dryness of throat.
Iod was chosen
since the heat predominating.Kalic being a chilly one. Another factor being
the Kali c was
given about a year back and no appreciable change.But, after tub, things
might have changed.
Another thought suggested was sang by Claudia.The ailments after Whooping
cough. Every
cold brings on attacks which partake the character of the whooping cough.
Dryness of
throat. Morning - evening cough. This being a clinical finding, needs
serious thought.
I am presently in a clogged situtation. May be due to the closeness to the
situation and
missing the larger picture( which requires looking things from a distance).
Your and the group's ideas welcome.
Regards
Venkat
Lachesis seems to be the remedy.Think about it.
It covers all symptoms.
you may give single dose of 200.
Dr sadhwani
"J.Venkatasubramanian" wrote:
Dear Allen,
This is part of an on going treatment ( battle) with my son's cough which
has not yielded to
treatment.
Thanks for some clarifying input. About what this dryness means. A morning
cough on getting up,
and an evening cough just before lying down.An unusaual accompaniment is his
rectal itch in
evenings. Cough, when in its exacerbations ( usually after a cold) ends in
sneezing. Cough that
shakes the body. Tongue slightly protruded ( in exacerbation) during
cough.Mapped tongue.
This mapped tongue is there for close to three years.
In the chronic stage, morning and evening cough (none during day). Some
times a cough
before or after midnight. I suspected the fan causing the dryness of larynx
since he was breathing
as if from a dry throat. With a few sips of water he just went to sleep.
This I have seen during the
past fortnight.
The temperature modality is just not clear even for me. He cannot take milk
hot and wants them cold.
At a mental level, he is a headstrong boy ( age 6).
Causatively: Had an eruption like open ulcer about a centimeter all over the
body four years back.
Allopathically controlled, he had a gushing, violent, horrible smelling
dysentery . Which again was
allopathically treated and then a whooping type of cough started. Allpotahic
treatment didn't help.
Then I became a convert to homepathy and learnt it myself.
The tub 200 took away the tendency to frequent cold. Still the trio of
cough- anal itch- mapped
tongue persisted.
I gave kali m 30 and then 200. He almost proved it. He had a diarrhea as
hering describes.
In between pertussin 30 was given. ( a folly which I now realise).
Then cina 200. Horrible aggravation. Case went to the allopath.
In my last analysis, kali c, iod, were the closest.Iod 30 a week back
Repeated again the fourth say.
Cough seemed ok. But y'day there was a flareup (slight) in the evening. Also
at 11 pm. Gave him
a puls 30 and he slept.
The change after iod is that there are eruptions in the anus red and slighly
elevated and itching.
Iod seems the closest one still. Kali c also has some like sleepy after
dinner, cough amel after
breakfast, the after midnight agg, the mapped tongue and dryness of throat.
Iod was chosen
since the heat predominating.Kalic being a chilly one. Another factor being
the Kali c was
given about a year back and no appreciable change.But, after tub, things
might have changed.
Another thought suggested was sang by Claudia.The ailments after Whooping
cough. Every
cold brings on attacks which partake the character of the whooping cough.
Dryness of
throat. Morning - evening cough. This being a clinical finding, needs
serious thought.
I am presently in a clogged situtation. May be due to the closeness to the
situation and
missing the larger picture( which requires looking things from a distance).
Your and the group's ideas welcome.
Regards
Venkat
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Re: cough question
Dear Dr Sadhwani,
The lach did help a few months back when in an acute (fever)it was
indicated. Not after that. I was also thinking lach on the tongue
protrusion. Thanks for your thought.
Regards
Venkat
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wrote:
The lach did help a few months back when in an acute (fever)it was
indicated. Not after that. I was also thinking lach on the tongue
protrusion. Thanks for your thought.
Regards
Venkat
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, puran sadhwani
wrote:
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Re: cough question
Dear Venkat,
Acutes are most of the time exacerbation of chronic miasm.In many cases
I have come to the remedy after study of acutes.
If Lach acted in the past, you may consider going for a higher potency.
Dr Sadhwani
"J.venkatasubramanian" wrote:
Dear Dr Sadhwani,
The lach did help a few months back when in an acute (fever)it was
indicated. Not after that. I was also thinking lach on the tongue
protrusion. Thanks for your thought.
Regards
Venkat
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wrote:
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Acutes are most of the time exacerbation of chronic miasm.In many cases
I have come to the remedy after study of acutes.
If Lach acted in the past, you may consider going for a higher potency.
Dr Sadhwani
"J.venkatasubramanian" wrote:
Dear Dr Sadhwani,
The lach did help a few months back when in an acute (fever)it was
indicated. Not after that. I was also thinking lach on the tongue
protrusion. Thanks for your thought.
Regards
Venkat
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, puran sadhwani
wrote:
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