Carbo-an

[Shannon Nelson]

I'm trying to get a sense of this remedy beyond its role in cancer.
Does anyone have information that could help me about e.g. carbon family (I
have Scholten's "Elements"), or cases, esp. where it was used
pre-malignancy, or anything else?

What would make one particularly think of carbo an other than malignancy?

Sorry for such a vague question...
Thanks!
Shannon

[Farbod Rahnamai]

Dear Shannon
I had a case of so called major depressive disorder. She was a woman of 50 who suffered from fear and anxiety. She was myopic and she had a great fear when she lost her glasses. She also had a great fear when she was on the shower. Any time she could not watch her circumstances, she was in a great fear. She had no interest in life and also indifference in domestic duties. She got Carb-an 30c and then 200c and the complaint was eradicated.

Another case: a man of 30 with stomach burning ameliorated by passing stool. No other peculiar symptom. He got Carb-an 30c with a good response.

I do not know if these cases could help.
Regards
Frabod

[Shannon Nelson]

Wonderful, thankyou!
Can you tell me how you came to the remedy in each case? For the second, I
find only STOMACH; PAIN; burning; stool; amel.: crot-h., sulph.

For the first I'm especially interested to know what suggested and/or
confirmed the remedy for you?

Thankyou!
Shannon
on 3/17/04 12:12 PM, Farbod Rahnamai at frahnama@privatemail.me.uk wrote:

[Joy Lucas]

Not so much a vague question more a leaning towards looking at using a
remedy as a specific rather than what is in its symptom picture. So many
remedies might have malignancy but that doesn't preclude their use for other
aspects of the symptom picture, in this instance:-

catarrhal states, indurated and swollen glands (has an affinity to uterus,
breast and pancreas), digestion problems with lots of flatulence, easy
weakness and debility, venous stasis (blueish skin), pleurisy, weak joints
and easy dislocation, ulcerations (syph remedy), acne, nasty headaches as if
the head had been blown to pieces (this is an indication of the fear and
anxiety in this remedy) - fear of suffocation, don't want to be in company
but feel abandoned, lots of strange delusions many about surroundings being
different or changed, homesick, (one begins to get the picture of an elderly
person who has been abandoned to a care home), sees dreadful images of faces
(the vision is distorted), lots of despair and discouragement coupled with
confusion and so much more but this might help.

Best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com

[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks Joy,
But actually my question is about using the remedy *not* as a specific. I
would like to be able to recognize it -- or at least *think* of it! -- at
stages earlier than malignancy, and possibly also lacking in delusions and
maybe even lacking in indurations.

The person I'm looking at it for (and I think I will go ahead and try it,
but still would like more understanding of it) has no malignancy (so far as
anyone knows!), does have easy weakness/debility, venous stasis, flatulence,
digestive trouble, nostalgia(!!!), and also *many* of the other features of
the remedy as found in rubric extraction. That's why I'm interested in
exploring the remedy even tho she *doesn't* have the things it has been most
particularly known for (no malignancy, and I don't know about induration;
there was some, but it's not something she's mentioned much). I definitely
can "make a case" for giving her the remedy, but I also "made a case" (you
and I both found it a convincing one!) for sepia, and similarly for other
remedies before that. But I haven't yet found what she really needs, so I'm
exploring less-familiar possibilities.

Very often I find that various remedies look great on the basis of their
rubric extraction, but unless I know more about what makes the remedy
"tick", what it "usually" has, or etc., I do way too much trial-and-error.
I realize this is also an issue of casetaking and case analysis, of course,
but I also feel hampered by not understanding the remedy.

Thanks!
Shannon
on 3/17/04 1:13 PM, Joy Lucas at joy.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:

[Joy Lucas]

Dear Shannon, it is so very common for homeopaths NOT to prescribe a remedy
because the remedy isn't known or understood well enough. One of the best
ways round this (apart from reading as much as possible about the remedy) is
to put the unknown remedy into a small group with other remedies that also
might apply to the case and do a thorough comparison. This is why the
Materia Medicas are so much more important that repertories.

I can't remember what the possible Sepia case was all about but some MM's
include Sepia in the comparative remedies (Calc phos being the closest).

The 'nostalgia' you mention could be read as the 'sad and reflective'
attitude that Carb an has. There are many remedies which live in the past
but it depends whether the nostalgia is a happy one or not.

Best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 17/3/04 8:47 PM, Bob&Shannon at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:

Thanks Joy,
But actually my question is about using the remedy *not* as a specific. I
would like to be able to recognize it -- or at least *think* of it! -- at
stages earlier than malignancy, and possibly also lacking in delusions and
maybe even lacking in indurations.

The person I'm looking at it for (and I think I will go ahead and try it,
but still would like more understanding of it) has no malignancy (so far as
anyone knows!), does have easy weakness/debility, venous stasis, flatulence,
digestive trouble, nostalgia(!!!), and also *many* of the other features of
the remedy as found in rubric extraction. That's why I'm interested in
exploring the remedy even tho she *doesn't* have the things it has been most
particularly known for (no malignancy, and I don't know about induration;
there was some, but it's not something she's mentioned much). I definitely
can "make a case" for giving her the remedy, but I also "made a case" (you
and I both found it a convincing one!) for sepia, and similarly for other
remedies before that. But I haven't yet found what she really needs, so I'm
exploring less-familiar possibilities.

Very often I find that various remedies look great on the basis of their
rubric extraction, but unless I know more about what makes the remedy
"tick", what it "usually" has, or etc., I do way too much trial-and-error.
I realize this is also an issue of casetaking and case analysis, of course,
but I also feel hampered by not understanding the remedy.

Thanks!
Shannon
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[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks Joy, I'll continue working with it.
And if anyone has other experiences or insights about the remedy to share,
please do!
Shannon
on 3/18/04 4:06 AM, Joy Lucas at joy.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:

[Ellen Madono]

Dear Joy,

I am unclear about you got to Calc-p as being the closest to Sepia. Calc-p is compared to sepia for menses. For Calc-p they are more profuse. I don't recall that Shannon mentioned menses however. I see calc and phos separately as being related to sepia in Vermeulen. But not calc-phos. Calc-phos is related to carbo-an. Did you mean that?

I would group by family, miasm, place on the periodic table, tissues affected. Also, remedies that come up with common rubrics that are rare or important to the case are worthy of comparison. May be you are doing something different?

May be I am having trouble following a case like Shannon's because I don't get a clear image of the problem.

Blessings,
Ellen

[Joy Lucas]

The comparative remedies were in connection to Carbo an (Calc phos being the
closest) and not Sepia - which some MM's also include as a comparative
remedy to Carbo an.

Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 18/3/04 2:36 PM, Ellen Madono at ellen.madono@verizon.net wrote:

Dear Joy,

I am unclear about you got to Calc-p as being the closest to Sepia. Calc-p
is compared to sepia for menses. For Calc-p they are more profuse. I don't
recall that Shannon mentioned menses however. I see calc and phos
separately as being related to sepia in Vermeulen. But not calc-phos.
Calc-phos is related to carbo-an. Did you mean that?

I would group by family, miasm, place on the periodic table, tissues
affected. Also, remedies that come up with common rubrics that are rare or
important to the case are worthy of comparison. May be you are doing
something different?

May be I am having trouble following a case like Shannon's because I don't
get a clear image of the problem.

Blessings,
Ellen

[Dale Moss]

Shannon:

Here's the cycle for Carbo-an:

Over-excited >> depleted, weak >> desires to withdraw >> averse to world >>
desires to lie down >> images of death >> discontented, irritable >>

That may not sound too helpful on its face, but Carbo-an. is a useful remedy
where there's a pattern of frequent acute illnesses, sprains, etc., and a
tendency to be over-affected by small losses. A lot of longing for the
past, closing the eyes to shut out the present, not wanting people around.
In addition to cancer, you're likely to see chronic low-grade depression
with lots of regrets about what might have been (is this a bar-fly remedy?),
chronic pancreatitis, cervical or uterine dysplasia, chronic fatigue
syndrome, coccydynia from injuries to the coccyx, poor circulation with
Raynaud's, and lots of chilliness with hiding under covers.

Peace,
Cinnabar