Cough and sneezing

[Jayne Evans]

Dear All,
The current discussions on "near the simillium" are very educational for me. I have resently seen it with my own eyes in trying to help my husband with his bad cough. I gave Nux v. with instant results and 2 hours later he thought he was going to die he was so sick. When reading a recent study of Nux v sent in a lesson, he saw all his symptoms listed there. He was sick all night, coughing, couldn't breath, etc.
I am also wondering if the remedy brought out all the Advil cold and flu tablets he'd been taking.
Anyway, he is still sick with upper respiratory tract infection, going on over a month now.
He is worst in the morning - is reluctant to get out of bed as when he does, his body cools down and he starts coughing. Coughing almost non-stop. A cup of hot water with lemon and honey is the only thing that stops it, then he is able to go back to sleep.
He is also suffering from violent sneezing. Which again is aggravated by getting cold.
Hot baths and showers ameliorate his symptoms.
Coryza is burning.
He is coughing up water like fluid.
When is started he had just been swimming in the sea, and had a flare up a week later after again swimming in the sea. This is peculiar for him because he usually practically lives in the sea (we joke about him being half fish)
I've also thought of Ars but am too scared to give him anything now and he is a bit wary. Says he feels like a laboratory rat He is not particularly fastidious nor is in fear of dying.
I would be grateful for any suggestions of where to go from here. I think he is getting fed up with being sick now.
Thanks Jayne

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[Joy Lucas]

When you say you had instant results with the Nux vom but he felt he was
going to die because he was so sick - how do you assess such a reaction in
light of the fact that his sx seem to fit the picture of Nux vom?

How has the Advil change the sx picture.

You need to describe the cough as there are so many coughs which are >> warm drinks.

There is a rubric - coughing from sea wind but there is probably a more
appropriate one for cough from sea bathing.

You also need to ask about how he is reacting in himself to this condition.

With what you say I think I would have a look at Squilla not least because
this comes from the sea but you do need some more sx.

best, Joy

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on 19/6/04 5:48 PM, Jayne Evans at jayneminutus@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Dear All,

The current discussions on "near the simillium" are very educational for me.
I have resently seen it with my own eyes in trying to help my husband with
his bad cough. I gave Nux v. with instant results and 2 hours later he
thought he was going to die he was so sick. When reading a recent study of
Nux v sent in a lesson, he saw all his symptoms listed there. He was sick
all night, coughing, couldn't breath, etc.

I am also wondering if the remedy brought out all the Advil cold and flu
tablets he'd been taking.

Anyway, he is still sick with upper respiratory tract infection, going on
over a month now.

He is worst in the morning - is reluctant to get out of bed as when he does,
his body cools down and he starts coughing. Coughing almost non-stop. A cup
of hot water with lemon and honey is the only thing that stops it, then he
is able to go back to sleep.
He is also suffering from violent sneezing. Which again is aggravated by
getting cold.
Hot baths and showers ameliorate his symptoms.
Coryza is burning.
He is coughing up water like fluid.

When is started he had just been swimming in the sea, and had a flare up a
week later after again swimming in the sea. This is peculiar for him because
he usually practically lives in the sea (we joke about him being half fish)

I've also thought of Ars but am too scared to give him anything now and he
is a bit wary. Says he feels like a laboratory rat He is not
particularly fastidious nor is in fear of dying.

I would be grateful for any suggestions of where to go from here. I think he
is getting fed up with being sick now.

Thanks Jayne
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[Rosemary C Hyde PhD]

Arsenicum would fit this situation very well, especially if the episode of swimming in the sea was followed by the onset of other Arsenicum modalities and emotions (a bit more demanding of company perhaps?). Just look at how he's been since this illness started, not at his whole constitution. The combination of modalities and symptoms you provided in this description, at least, would strongly indicate Arsenicum.

I'm interpreting the cause here simply as becoming chilled and wet, but I also liked Joy's suggestion of looking at a remedy that specifically relates to the sea.

Rosemary

[APEX PRECITECH]

Dear Jayne,
The sneezing as a concomittant is to be probed.
Is it just together with cough?
or cough ending in sneeze?
or cough mixed with sneeze ?
or does the cough create the sneeze ?
or does the sneezing paroxisms are separate from
coughing?
The above apart, the rubrics will include
expectoration watery
coryza ,discharges, acrid
cough, morning, awakening on
cough, drinking amel(for me a very doubtful one: hot
drinks amel is too
common
generalities, cold becoming agg
Any standard repertory will give you an answer.

My own recommendations are:
Hep, Merc,Agar,Bell,carb v (natm, lach, nit ac,lyc and
sulph are
ruled out since he is amel by hot baths),squilla
All the above if cough and sneeze have a relation.
If otherwise, straightaway repertorize (I think you
know it).

Further, did you observe any peculiarity in his
stool,urine,
stomach, mouth, or just any other area ? If you have
that,
and if that "that" is far removed from the respiratory
organs,
(for example, a great thirst: your husband is chilly.
If he is
thirsty,that makes an uncommon symptom)that is
valuable.
Keep that as a central point and start your probe.
More often,
the remedy the remedy that has this peculiarity in
intensity
will be found to share all other symptoms.
(don't ever search for that mental symptom of "getting
fed up
of being sick":- No offences please!)
Regards
Venkat
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[Jayne Evans]

Dear Joy, Rosemary and Venkat,
Thanks for your input.
I have read squilla but it says agg motion (Boericke) and he is ameliorated by gettting up and walking around, even in the middle of the night.
The coughing and sneezing are at separate times. One or the other, not at the same time.
I haven't noticed any complaints of other body systems and he hasn't complained of any, except head and ear pain from the blocked sinuses.
Last night he coughed all night from midnight to 5 am, only stopping with another cold and flu tablet. Again, he got up and tried to walk around, slept in the other room for a bit, the hot drink didn't work this time.
He is thirsty, I think more than usual as usually I have to actively encourage him to drink water - I leave small bottles of water around the house so it is always there, these days the bottles are almost always empty. But he is a "small sips" drinker.

After taking the dose of Nux v, after 5 minutes he took a deep breath through his nose and said "Subanallah" we was amazed at how the remedy had worked. Two hours later he was coughing violently and this continued all night. The hot drink and the hot bath did work for him this night. His nose was stopped up and he felt like he couldn't breath, inside of his nose was itchy.
So from what I know, if it is an instant amelioration followed by an aggravation, the remedy was close but not the similium. It was a high dose though - 200C dry.
It has been a few days since then, with continued lack of sleep due to his coughing for both of us. I gave him a dose of Ars, 6C in water this afternoon. I will assess what has happened when I get home from work later tonight.
Ars is similiar to Nux v in many ways and I have noticed him folding his tissues neatly into 4 before blowing his nose. He is also very particular about his hair (although this is his usual self, not something that has happened since getting sick).

The advil clears his nose and helps him to breath also suppresses the cough and makes him drowsy. He took one last night but hasn't had any for nearly two weeks.
Thanks Jayne

When you say you had instant results with the Nux vom but he felt he
was
going to die because he was so sick - how do you assess such a reaction
in
light of the fact that his sx seem to fit the picture of Nux vom?

How has the Advil change the sx picture.
or does the sneezing paroxisms are separate from
coughing?
The above apart, the rubrics will include
expectoration watery
coryza ,discharges, acrid
cough, morning, awakening on
cough, drinking amel(for me a very doubtful one: hot
drinks amel is too
common
generalities, cold becoming agg
Any standard repertory will give you an answer.

My own recommendations are:
Hep, Merc,Agar,Bell,carb v (natm, lach, nit ac,lyc and
sulph are
ruled out since he is amel by hot baths),squilla
All the above if cough and sneeze have a relation.
If otherwise, straightaway repertorize (I think you
know it).

Further, did you observe any peculiarity in his
stool,urine,
stomach, mouth, or just any other area ? If you have
that,
and if that "that" is far removed from the respiratory
organs,
(for example, a great thirst: your husband is chilly.
If he is
thirsty,that makes an uncommon symptom)that is
valuable.
Keep that as a central point and start your probe.
More often,
the remedy the remedy that has this peculiarity in
intensity
will be found to share all other symptoms.
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[Jayne Evans]

I gave Ars 6c in water and my husband slept the whole night without coughing. He is coughing less and sneezing less.
He has had 3 doses so far, succussed inbetween each.
Should I keep redosing when he has a bout of coughing? Is it worth to go to a higher potency? I only have 6c and 200c.
He says it stills feels like there is something in his chest that is preventing him breathing normally.
Thanks Jayne

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[Rosemary C Hyde PhD]

Jayne, have the symptoms remained the same when they come back? In other words, is the picture still the same, or has it changed? When the symptoms come back are they the same each time? Stronger? weaker? How about the time between symptoms coming back? The same? Shorter? Longer? The answers to these questions should tell you whether to repeat the same remedy and potency or not, I suspect.

Rosemary

[J.VENKATASUBRAMANIAN]

Dear Jayne,
Happy that you found the Rx.
Ars is definitely in the reckoning for ill effects for sea bathing.
His getting up and walking in the middle of night was intriguing. Was
it due a 'cannot keep lying' sort of thing ? This will count as
reslessness in our repertorial terms and ars is surely indicated. Agg
midnight is definitely ars. Chilly is Ars and has a burning thirst
but only for sips. But cannot rule out because of this discrepancy.
If you have a 12 and 30 just fine. But if the 6c worked, dose in water
for a few days. And then you can jump for the 200 if recovery is
still not full.
At the end when the picture changes, you will see another remedy. To
find this, take up The therapeutic pocket book and look under ars in
the concordant section. Then select the rubrics which are appropriate
and repertorize. Plus your own taking up of new picture will give you
the chronic remedy. These are the follow well ones which will work
wonders to your husband's health.
Would love to hear the progress.
Best,
Venkat
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coughing. He is coughing less and sneezing less.
to go to a higher potency? I only have 6c and 200c.
is preventing him breathing normally.

[Jayne Evans]

I redosed with Ars 200c, again in water. He had 2 doses. I felt it was palliating not curing as he was fine taking the remedy but it didn't seem to hold for any length of time. Plus he still felt that there was something in his chest that needed to come out. He described it as the remedy stopped the coughing so he had to force a cough to get the mucus out.
So I changed the remedy and gave a dry dose of Dros 6c. It lasted for about 2 days. This cleared the tightness in his chest, stopped the coughing and that feeling in his chest. He also takes a deep breath before coughing - not having heard a whooping cough before I can't say if it is a "whoop" or not but definitely like a gasp. Now I am wondering whether to go ahead with the 200c for this remedy as it did clear his chest.
An x-ray has showed slight thickening of the bronchi indicating very mild inflammation and silly me mentioned mild bronchitis and he is hung on the bronchitis and forgettting the mild part! He wants to take medicine (definitely not an Ars characteristic)
After coughing for a while he gets pain in his forehead as from pressure from inside to out. I have been unable to find this in the rep. All the rest of his symptoms are so general that nearly every rubric has 100 remedies.
Further advise would be much appreciated.
Thanks Jayne
Jayne Evans wrote: 22 June 2004
I gave Ars 6c in water and my husband slept the whole night without coughing. He is coughing less and sneezing less.

He has had 3 doses so far, succussed inbetween each.

Should I keep redosing when he has a bout of coughing? Is it worth to go to a higher potency? I only have 6c and 200c.

He says it stills feels like there is something in his chest that is preventing him breathing normally.
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[Atiq Ahmad Bhatti]

Rumex is a remedy you can look at here perhaps?