Dream question

[Shannon Nelson]

What rubrics or remedies come to mind for this:
80 year old woman, has not had many (any?) dreams for some years, but she
describes the dereams she used to have this way: Oh, I loved my dreams.
They were so rich. Very sensual -- *not* sexual, but sensual. Like, I'm
standing on a mountain ridge, looking over a valley. The wind is blowing,
and I can feel the wind on my skin and in my hair; the smells are rich and
sweet... (from my memory, but gets the gist)

There's *much* in the case, esp. earlier parts of it, that suits op. In the
present, tho, one major problem does *not* seem to suit op, and that is her
"inability" to get to bed before 2 a.m. She says she gets at *most* five
hours of sleep a night, and now will fall asleep where she sits, if
conversation lapses for a moment. She desperately does *need* to sleep
(health is worsening), but says she "can't" get to bed until she (long list,
but main points would be) gets breakfast ready for next morning, picks up
things from around the house, finishes sorting the mail (*LOTS* of it, and
98% junk), checks the windows and doors, has her bedtime "snack"... For the
life of me I don't know why that takes until 2 a.m., except that she is
moving soooooooo slowly these days. The obvious rubric is "can't rest when
things are not in their proper place." Op. is not in that rubric; does this
(the behavior, not just op.'s absence from the rubric) seem like a reason
not to give op. in the present?

(Sep. has been helping her, but not as much as I think needs to be done.
Sulph is a possility, but the others MIND; REST; cannot, when things are not
in proper place: anac., ars., carc., ephe., lac-eq., sep., sulph. don't seem
convincing.)

There's a great deal more to the case, but I don't want to do all that at
the moment; am especially interested in thoughts re the above questions,
tho.

Thanks!
Shannon

[rajiv prasad]

Dear Shannon,

Have a look at Kali Carb. which has this obsession
with control. Not being able to rest till everything
is in place or till she has checked all her mail even
if it has 98% junk and so on, all indicate the theme
of control. Besides this not being able to sleep till
2 AM also is a possible pointer. Kali Carb. has a lot
of symptoms around 2-3 AM.Kali Carb. is also a great
remedy for problems related to malfunctioning in the
uterus and associated functions. Especially if there
is a history of threatened abortions, miscarriages,
troubled menstruals, hysterectomy etc.

Rajiv
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[Joy Lucas]

Pleasant dreams, high places, ascending (if they are always high up??),
joyous, of the beautiful country, flowers, exciting, impressive.

Opium can be sleepy but cannot sleep but it is usually seemingly trivial
things that keep the person awake such as distant noises or the bed is too
uncomfortable or they feel too hot (major things to Opium even though
painlessness rules the sx picture, trivia gets blown out of proportion).

If she is not having those sort of dreams now how important is this to the
case?

What you describe seems much more deeply compulsive and perhaps this would
rank higher than the sleep or sleepless aspect, so your choice of 'cannot
rest etc' seems a good one.

Sleepless until 2 am rubric - is it always this time

What times of day does she allow herself to sleep - use those rubrics

Does alternation of sleep and sleepless come into it?

Sleepiness through the day and sleepless at night rubric

Insomnia from daily cares

Phos has to have cat naps and can be sleepless, lots of vivid dreams (many
remedies that have phos in them will have this sort of state - sleep versus
non sleep = weakness) - so can Plumbum which is getting closer to the
overpowering sleepiness that Opium feels

Coffea has beautiful dreams and has trouble sleeping and yet can feel
desperate for sleep.

There is almost too much to go on and personally I would be looking more at
how and why the pre-bed routine has to happen, apart from what you have
already said.

Hope useful, Joy

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on 2/16/04 2:33 PM, Bob&Shannon at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:

What rubrics or remedies come to mind for this:
80 year old woman, has not had many (any?) dreams for some years, but she
describes the dereams she used to have this way: Oh, I loved my dreams.
They were so rich. Very sensual -- *not* sexual, but sensual. Like, I'm
standing on a mountain ridge, looking over a valley. The wind is blowing,
and I can feel the wind on my skin and in my hair; the smells are rich and
sweet... (from my memory, but gets the gist)

There's *much* in the case, esp. earlier parts of it, that suits op. In the
present, tho, one major problem does *not* seem to suit op, and that is her
"inability" to get to bed before 2 a.m. She says she gets at *most* five
hours of sleep a night, and now will fall asleep where she sits, if
conversation lapses for a moment. She desperately does *need* to sleep
(health is worsening), but says she "can't" get to bed until she (long list,
but main points would be) gets breakfast ready for next morning, picks up
things from around the house, finishes sorting the mail (*LOTS* of it, and
98% junk), checks the windows and doors, has her bedtime "snack"... For the
life of me I don't know why that takes until 2 a.m., except that she is
moving soooooooo slowly these days. The obvious rubric is "can't rest when
things are not in their proper place." Op. is not in that rubric; does this
(the behavior, not just op.'s absence from the rubric) seem like a reason
not to give op. in the present?

(Sep. has been helping her, but not as much as I think needs to be done.
Sulph is a possility, but the others MIND; REST; cannot, when things are not
in proper place: anac., ars., carc., ephe., lac-eq., sep., sulph. don't seem
convincing.)

There's a great deal more to the case, but I don't want to do all that at
the moment; am especially interested in thoughts re the above questions,
tho.

Thanks!
Shannon
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[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks Rajiv,

This hadn't crossed my mind, but I'll consider it.
Just FTR, it's not that she has symptoms around 2-3 a.m., just that it takes
her that long to finish up.

Shannon
on 2/16/04 10:33 AM, rajiv prasad at rajivprasad_in@yahoo.com wrote:

[APEX PRECITECH]

Dear Shannon,

Mind : Slow:
Mind: Activity : Sleeplessness with: dig,rhus-t,thea,
zinc
mind:conscientious: trifles: about:
mind: trifles: seem important
Dreams: Unremembered:
Dreams; Pleasant:

Will these describe the mental state ?
Venkat
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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Venkat,

Well, there's a great deal more, too...
She is *not* sleepless, it's just that she won't go to bed!
Consc abt trifles seems very appropriate, as does "trifles seem important".
Maybe "dreams, pleasant" should go, as they aren't current.
She also has (when not on sepia) scolding, loquacious, dwells on past
disagreeable, reproaches others -- can fly into a rage, even, over trifles
--, irritability over trifles. *Nostalgia/homesickness* I would say is
strong (what she *really* wants to do is work on her baby books!).

There are scads and scads of physicals, too...

Sepia actually seems to cover mentals and physicals very well, but I am not
satisfied with what it's done so far -- it hasn't moderated her romance with
her junk mail, for instance, and it isn't getting her into bed at night. I
keep think that the *right* remedy will just knock her out so she *HAS* to
get the sleep that she needs so desperately; am I being naive???

Shannon
on 2/17/04 7:47 AM, J.VENKATA SUBRAMANIAN at apexpreci2000@yahoo.co.in
wrote:

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Would mind : Childish: be now appropriate ?

Crossing Consc trifles abt and mind childish ign will
stand high. Ign has also the rage, its also in trifles
seem important, also it has mania for work.
These all are 'to be cured' . Irritability ,trifles
from also has ign. also in 'censorious' . Will it put
her to sleep?
Regards
Venkat

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Venkat,
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[Shannon Nelson]

Ignatia is one I've given her in the past (without effect), but that doesn't
rule it out for the present... Memory is that it doesn't cover her present
physicals, but I'll look again at it. Childish? Well, I haven't seen it
that way but I'll give it some more thought.

Maybe I'll put more details...
Thanks,
Shannon
on 2/17/04 9:37 AM, J.VENKATA SUBRAMANIAN at apexpreci2000@yahoo.co.in
wrote:

[Ananda Ruchira]

>it's not that she has symptoms around 2-3 a.m., just that it takes her that long to finish up. Shannon

Hi Shannon,
Sorry if i'm coming into this one a bit late...but ...

same difference. "finishing up at 2-3" is just another way to say that she's ready for sleep at that time.

As a practiced night owl myself, I know that I "finish" my work just in time when I'm ready to sleep. vice versa, I tend to wake and get to work in the early hours right around -coincidentally- my personal remedy's "time".
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[Shannon Nelson]

Hmm...
Well, but when she is away from home, she will go to bed -- and to sleep!!
-- very much earlier; she might stay up and read until 10, but no longer,
and then will sleep a good *nine* hours, not five!!! This seems to continue
for as long as she is away from home, and she comes back looking positively
rested. (We're trying to get her to go away again...) For which reasons I
more favor rubrics re obsessiveness, things in the proper place, etc.
(There's also a radio show she likes rather passionately that goes over at
2:00... She's never said that she stays up to hear it, but the coincidence
of timing is interesting... I think I'll press that question to her... It
would be truly absurd if she were damaging herself this much over a radio
show, but then the situation is truly absurd in any case!)

Thanks,
Shannon
on 2/17/04 7:28 AM, Abha Light Foundation at abhalight@eudoramail.com wrote: