Salamander??

Ruby · Post by **Ruby** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:52 pm

Hello!

I was wondering if anyone had ever done any provings on the Salamander? I was particularly interested in the possibilities of the Salamander and amputees.

Hoping to hear from you.
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andyh · Post by **andyh** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:25 pm

ruby wrote:
Jennifer,
Heres all the sx from referenceworks/Millenium I found. Looks like mostly clinical use, although is one ref from Bradfords index for one of the 2 species listed. Use for amputees with what sx and what goal, I would ask....
Best, Andy

sources (Bradford)
SALAMANDRA LACERTA.
Vulpian: Zeit. hom. Ver Aerzte Oesterr., V. 2, pt. 7. Gaz. de Paris, 1857, V. 2. Hom. Times, London, No. 176. A. H. Z., V. 46, No. 6.
salamandra lacerta (Millenium)

Convulsions, spasms. {94> 345> 0} [23]
Convulsions, spasms: violent. {0> 13> 0} [23]
======================
Salamandra maculata
English: Fire Salamander
Salamandra salamandra
Animalia; Chordata / Vertebrata - Vertebrates; Amphibia - Amphibians; Urodeles / Caudata - Newts; Salamandridae - Salamanders

boericke
Epilepsy and softening of brain

millenium
General
Convulsions, spasms. {20> 74> 345} [102]
Convulsions, spasms: epileptic. {14> 76> 142} [102]
Convulsions, spasms: epileptiform. {49> 84> 0} [116]

Mind
Unconsciousness, coma: general. {90> 292> 0} [1058]
UNCONSCIOUSNESS, COMA: LOOKING, ON: DOWNWARD. {0> 1> 0}

Vertigo
Looking: downward. {5> 35> 0}

Head
Softening, brain. {11> 29> 0} [102]

V.T. Yekkirala · Post by **V.T. Yekkirala** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:50 pm

Hi,
Vakil mentions this for diseases of the CNS,
" Quite often useful as a complementary after BUFO."

Following is from Gueken's homeopathic Practice (EH)-
"[gk1 - Brachialgia, left - Pulsatilla pratensis] Which is the most
important remedy in pain from amputation ? Staphisagria is the first remedy,
then Allium cepa and also Hypericum. "Extremities, arm, after amputation"
(p. 1049). Then, there is another rubric "extremities, injuries, fingers,
amputated stump painful" (p. 1019).
[gk1 - Brachialgia, left - Pulsatilla pratensis] In general, you can take
this rubric for phantom pain (information from a 3 monthly course). And
there are the following additions: Allium cepa, Hypericum, Aconitum,
Ammonium muriaticum, Belladonna, Cuprum metallicum, Helleborus, Ignatia,
Phosphoricum acidum, Spigelia, Symphytum, Veratrum album.
[gk1 - Brachialgia, left - Pulsatilla pratensis] You see there are a lot of
additions, but Staphisagria is the most important remedy.
[gk1 - Brachialgia, left - Pulsatilla pratensis] There must also be another
rubric for pain in the amputated lower limbs, but I do not find it at the
moment.

[gk1 - Brachialgia, left - Pulsatilla pratensis] Remark: "In the other
rubric there are some more remedies: Arnica, Asafoetida, Kalmia."
[gk1 - Brachialgia, left - Pulsatilla pratensis] A: Pulsatilla also belongs
there.
[gk1 - Brachialgia, left - Pulsatilla pratensis] I think that first you have
to think of two remedies in pain in amputated limbs: Staphisagria and
Hypericum, and then also of Allium cepa. Otherwise you have to try with
constitutional remedies, often it is the constitutional remedy."
That's all I could find .
With best wishes,
V.T.Yekkirala.
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Joy Lucas · Post by **Joy Lucas** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:26 pm

This will obviously have something to do with the ability towards limb
regeneration that salamanders have - essence of metamorphosis and shape
shifting.

Best, Joy

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on 1/22/04 6:24 PM, andyh@mcn.org at andyh@mcn.org wrote:

Jennifer,
Heres all the sx from referenceworks/Millenium I found. Looks like mostly
clinical use, although is one ref from Bradfords index for one of the 2
species listed. Use for amputees with what sx and what goal, I would
ask....
Best, Andy
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Ruby · Post by **Ruby** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:30 pm

Thanks Andy~~ I appreciate it!

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Ruby · Post by **Ruby** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:33 am

Joy,

Those were my thoughts exactly. I was thinking not only in forms of fingertip regrowth... but even things like hard to heal things like hernias....ect...

In Dr. Becker's book, Body Electric, he has the Most interesting experiments with Salamanders, where they regrow consistantly parts amputated off, and spliced, diced, parts. It had something to do with the Blastima that formed within the first two weeks of the injury. Whatever DNA was in the Blastima at the original site of injury, could even be scraped off and relocated, and a tail would grow where a leg had been amputed..... if the blastima was from the tail section-relocated to the leg after blastima had been grown....

In humans, he showed that injuries to a child, 10 and under, if a fingertip had been cut off, if not sewn up; just cleaned and bleeding stopped, the finger would regrow, fingernail and all..... It had something to do with a child's electramagnetic field... which slowly discipates after 10 or so....

But, anyway, that was why I was inquiring about the remedy.... not only amputation, but healing of parts that are hard to heal....

Thanks so much!
Jennifer

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Barry Carter · Post by **Barry Carter** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:06 pm

Dear Friends,

Such regeneration is fairly common in reptiles but has not been reported
very often in mammals. You can find a story with pictures about a cat that
grew a new tail at:

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/tutstail.htm

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andyh · Post by **andyh** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:53 pm

Joy Lucas wrote:
Dear Joy and Jennifer,
The regenerative angle hadn;t escaped me

, nor was I interested in throwing water on the idea. My query had its basis in the fact that with presentation of a similar to the organism, we are normally only able to resonate with what is already there in terms of capabilities (akin to hardware and software in place). One way of viewing homeopathy is that we are looking for a pattern of apathy in the dynamis/vital force, and by presenting a facsimile of that pattern, we either awaken what, because of miasmatic taint, is apathetic; or cancel out the taint itself, allowing return
to function in the areas in which the homeostatic mechanism has not been functioning (or both of these models may be true). Contemplation of achieving resonance via a homeopathic mechanism to awaken or enable a function which has not been observed in a particular specie may be possible, but would need to be a function possessed by an unusual specimen of that specie, or be a latent function not previously observed. Regenerative capability would need to be something known to be latent, and able to be triggered by some means, but would that means be homeopathic, or biochemical
coaxing or substitution? I was assuming that Jennifer was making her inquiry in the context of homeopathy (ie provings), hence my inquiry.

Best,
Andy

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:24 pm

ruby wrote:
Dear Jennifer,
Stimulus of the organism's capabilities as demonstrated during embryological development could certainly create regeneration. How to access that capability--how to divert normal adult function back to super-plastic function with regrowth of a template inherent in the genetic makeup, but only usually active during earlier life? A worthy area of inquiry regarding healing in general, as you point out. When we give a simillimum, the organism goes "backward in time" to remediate what it did not previously fix because of its expressed pattern (remedy state). But the remedial
function has its limits. How to entreat the organism go all the way back to the original template (embryological stage) for a given complaint? This is indeed an interesting area of inquiry. In a salamander, whatever biological clocks are present are possibly not in force or able to be overturned in the parts of the salamander that are completely reformable. As you point out, some enzyme cycle comes into play which makes cell division behave as if morphogenesis were once again happening for the first time. The human liver has some of this capability, although I don't know if
the mechanism is the same.

The amphibians as a group have members which exhibit extremely plastic and miraculous functions. For example, there is a species of frog in Canada, which overwinters by allowing itself to be frozen in the ice, and then thaws out later to regain full function and activity, The TV program I saw posited that the core of the frog was functioning through the freezing utilizing an antifreeze solution in some of the tissues. Even so, the cellular plasticity which allows such an ordeal to occur as part of the life cycle is remarkable. No doubt humans have similar capabilities of
plasticity stored in the genome that are not expressed, or only expressed selectively, such as in the human liver. How to evoke them? Does salamandra potentized have such capability? Sounds like an interesting area of research.

Best,
Andy

Shannon Nelson · Post by **Shannon Nelson** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:27 pm

Thanks, Andy!!!
I was feeling a bit queasy at the idea of thinking a remedy would coax a
body to do something for which it is genetically not programmed. (Tho as
you say, there's the possibility of waking some latent capacity, which is a
fascinating possibility.) My thought had been -- taking sepia doesn't give
us the ability to breathe underwater, nor Falcon give us the ability to fly,
so...

Best,
Shannon

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