I feel like I'm forgetting something I really ought to remember...
Is there a general rubric for stroke / blood clot in the brain?
I have a dim memory that both Arnica and kali-m have been used that way, but
can't remember references for either! Can anyone give me a jump-start?
Thanks,
Shannon
Stroke
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Re: Stroke
In a message dated 11/6/03 6:54:16 PM Mountain Standard Time,
shannonnelson@tds.net writes:
GENERALS - APOPLEXY
acon.;3;c2 acon.;3;k agar.;1;mg1 alco.;2;a1 aloe;1;hr anac.;3;bg2
anac.;3;c1 anac.;3;c2 anac.;3;hr1 anac.;3;kr1 ant-c.;1;a1 ant-c.;1;bg2 ant-c.;1;c1
ant-c.;1;h2 ant-c.;1;tl1 ant-t.;1;bg2 ant-t.;1;hr1 apis;1;c1 apis;1;c2 arn.;2;bg2
arn.;2;c2 arn.;2;hr1 arn.;2;k arn.;2;mtf11 arn.;2;sne ars.;2;bg2 ars.;2;hr1
ars.;2;kr1 ars-s-f.;1;c1 ars-s-f.;1;c2 ars-s-f.;1;hr1 asar.;1;bg2 asar.;1;sf1
aster.;2;bro1 aster.;2;c1 aster.;2;c2 aster.;2;hr1 aster.;2;kr1 aur.;2;bg2
aur.;2;k bapt.;1;c1 bapt.;1;c2 bar-c.;1;bg2 bar-c.;1;c2 bar-c.;1;hr1 bar-c.;1;k
bell.;3;a1 bell.;3;bg2 bell.;3;c2 bell.;3;hr1 bell.;3;k bell.;3;mtf11
both.;1;mrr1 brom.;1;c1 brom.;1;c2 bry.;3;bg2 bry.;3;c1 bry.;3;c2 bry.;3;hr1 bry.;3;kr1
bufo;1;gk cact.;1;bro1 cact.;1;c1 cact.;1;c2 cact.;1;hr1 cact.;1;st1
cadm-br.;1;c1 cadm-br.;1;c2 cadm-s.;1;a1 cadm-s.;1;bg2 cadm-s.;1;c1 cadm-s.;1;c2
cadm-s.;1;kr1 calc.;1;bg2 calc.;1;sf1 camph.;2;bg2 camph.;2;hr1 camph.;2;k
carb-v.;1;bg2 carb-v.;1;k carb-v.;1;mtf11 carbn-h.;1;c1 carbn-s.;1;c1 caust.;1;bro1
caust.;1;c1 caust.;1;c2 caust.;1;hr1 caust.;1;mrr1 chen-a.;1;bro1 chen-a.;1;c1
chen-a.;1;c2 chen-a.;1;mg1 chin.;2;a1 chin.;2;bg2 chin.;2;c2 chin.;2;k
chlol.;1;c1 chlol.;1;c2 cocc.;3;bg2 cocc.;3;hr1 cocc.;3;k coff.;2;bg2 coff.;2;c2
coff.;2;k con.;1;a1 con.;1;bg2 con.;1;h2 con.;1;hr1 con.;1;k con.;1;sne croc.;1;a1
croc.;1;bg2 croc.;1;bro1 crot-h.;2;c2 crot-h.;2;hr1 crot-h.;2;k cupr.;2;a1
cupr.;2;bg2 cupr.;2;hr1 cupr.;2;k cupr-act.;1;c1 cupr-act.;1;c2 dig.;1;a1
dig.;1;bg2 dig.;1;hr1 dig.;1;sf1 erig.;1;mg1 ferr.;2;bg2 ferr.;2;hr1 ferr.;2;k
fl-ac.;1;c1 fl-ac.;1;c2 form.;2;bro1 form.;2;c1 form.;2;c2 form.;2;hr1 form.;2;kr1
gast.;1;c1 gast.;1;c2 gels.;3;hr1 gels.;3;k germ-met.;1;srj5 glon.;3;bg2
glon.;3;bro1 glon.;3;c1 glon.;3;c2 glon.;3;hr1 glon.;3;k2 glon.;3;kr1 glon.;3;mg1
glon.;3;mtf11 glon.;3;sf1 guare.;1;c1 guare.;1;c2 hell.;1;c1 hell.;1;c2
hell.;1;hr1 hep.;1;bg2 hydr-ac.;2;a1 hydr-ac.;2;bg2 hydr-ac.;2;mg1 hyos.;2;a1
hyos.;2;bg2 hyos.;2;hr1 hyos.;2;k hyos.;2;mrr1 ign.;1;bg2 ign.;1;hr1 iod.;1;hr1
iod.;1;kr1 ip.;3;bg2 ip.;3;hr1 ip.;3;k juni-v.;1;a1 juni-v.;1;c1 juni-v.;1;c2
kali-br.;1;c1 kali-br.;1;c2 kali-br.;1;mrr1 kali-cy.;1;c1 kali-cy.;1;c2 kali-i.;1;bro1
kali-m.;1;bg2 kali-n.;1;mg1 kreos.;1;bg2 lach.;3;bg2 lach.;3;c2 lach.;3;hr1
lach.;3;k lach.;3;mrr1 lach.;3;mtf11 laur.;1;k lim.;1;c1 lim.;1;c2
lith-br.;1;c1 lith-br.;1;c2 lol.;1;a1 lyc.;2;bg2 lyc.;2;k merc.;1;a1 merc.;1;bg2
merc.;1;hr1 merc.;1;k mill.;2;a1 mill.;2;hr1 mill.;2;k13 mill.;2;k2 mill.;2;kr1
morph.;1;a1 nat-m.;1;bg2 nat-m.;1;k nat-n.;1;mg1 nat-ns.;1;c1 nat-ns.;1;c2
nit-ac.;1;bg2 nit-ac.;1;k nux-m.;2;a1 nux-m.;2;bg2 nux-m.;2;c2 nux-m.;2;hr1 nux-m.;2;k
nux-v.;2;a1 nux-v.;2;bg2 nux-v.;2;c2 nux-v.;2;hr1 nux-v.;2;k nux-v.;2;mrr1
oena.;2;c1 oena.;2;c2 oena.;2;hr1 oena.;2;kr1 olnd.;1;bg2 olnd.;1;mg1 olnd.;1;sf1
op.;3;a1 op.;3;bg2 op.;3;c2 op.;3;hr1 op.;3;k op.;3;mrr1 op.;3;tl1 ox-ac.;1;a1
pap-r.;1;mtf11 ph-ac.;1;bg2 phos.;2;bg2 phos.;2;hr1 phos.;2;k phos.;2;mrr1
plb.;1;a1 plb.;1;bg2 plb.;1;hr1 plb.;1;k plb.;1;mrr1 puls.;2;bg2 puls.;2;hr1
puls.;2;k ran-g.;1;c1 ran-g.;1;c2 rhus-t.;1;bg2 rhus-t.;1;k sabad.;1;bg2
samb.;1;bg2 sang.;1;hr1 sars.;1;bg2 sec.;1;a1 sec.;1;bg2 sec.;1;k sep.;1;bg2 sep.;1;c2
sep.;1;hr1 sep.;1;k sil.;2;bg2 sil.;2;k sin-n.;1;c1 sin-n.;1;c2 sin-n.;1;hr1
sin-n.;1;kr1 sin-n.;1;st1 sol-a.;1;c1 sol-a.;1;c2 staph.;1;mrr1 stram.;2;a1
stram.;2;bg2 stram.;2;c2 stram.;2;hr1 stram.;2;k stram.;2;mrr1 stront-c.;1;c1
stront-c.;1;c2 sulph.;1;bg2 sulph.;1;bro1 tab.;1;a1 tab.;1;c1 tab.;1;c2
tab.;1;hr1 tab.;1;kr1 thuj.;1;bg2 verat.;1;a1 verat.;1;bg2 verat.;1;bro1 verat.;1;c1
verat.;1;c2 verat.;1;h1 verat.;1;sf1 verat-v.;2;a1 verat-v.;2;bro1
verat-v.;2;c1 verat-v.;2;c2 verat-v.;2;hr1 verat-v.;2;kr1 verat-v.;2;sf1 viol-o.;1;bg2
vip.;1;a1 vip.;1;bg2 vip.;1;sf1
Jim Gregorich
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shannonnelson@tds.net writes:
GENERALS - APOPLEXY
acon.;3;c2 acon.;3;k agar.;1;mg1 alco.;2;a1 aloe;1;hr anac.;3;bg2
anac.;3;c1 anac.;3;c2 anac.;3;hr1 anac.;3;kr1 ant-c.;1;a1 ant-c.;1;bg2 ant-c.;1;c1
ant-c.;1;h2 ant-c.;1;tl1 ant-t.;1;bg2 ant-t.;1;hr1 apis;1;c1 apis;1;c2 arn.;2;bg2
arn.;2;c2 arn.;2;hr1 arn.;2;k arn.;2;mtf11 arn.;2;sne ars.;2;bg2 ars.;2;hr1
ars.;2;kr1 ars-s-f.;1;c1 ars-s-f.;1;c2 ars-s-f.;1;hr1 asar.;1;bg2 asar.;1;sf1
aster.;2;bro1 aster.;2;c1 aster.;2;c2 aster.;2;hr1 aster.;2;kr1 aur.;2;bg2
aur.;2;k bapt.;1;c1 bapt.;1;c2 bar-c.;1;bg2 bar-c.;1;c2 bar-c.;1;hr1 bar-c.;1;k
bell.;3;a1 bell.;3;bg2 bell.;3;c2 bell.;3;hr1 bell.;3;k bell.;3;mtf11
both.;1;mrr1 brom.;1;c1 brom.;1;c2 bry.;3;bg2 bry.;3;c1 bry.;3;c2 bry.;3;hr1 bry.;3;kr1
bufo;1;gk cact.;1;bro1 cact.;1;c1 cact.;1;c2 cact.;1;hr1 cact.;1;st1
cadm-br.;1;c1 cadm-br.;1;c2 cadm-s.;1;a1 cadm-s.;1;bg2 cadm-s.;1;c1 cadm-s.;1;c2
cadm-s.;1;kr1 calc.;1;bg2 calc.;1;sf1 camph.;2;bg2 camph.;2;hr1 camph.;2;k
carb-v.;1;bg2 carb-v.;1;k carb-v.;1;mtf11 carbn-h.;1;c1 carbn-s.;1;c1 caust.;1;bro1
caust.;1;c1 caust.;1;c2 caust.;1;hr1 caust.;1;mrr1 chen-a.;1;bro1 chen-a.;1;c1
chen-a.;1;c2 chen-a.;1;mg1 chin.;2;a1 chin.;2;bg2 chin.;2;c2 chin.;2;k
chlol.;1;c1 chlol.;1;c2 cocc.;3;bg2 cocc.;3;hr1 cocc.;3;k coff.;2;bg2 coff.;2;c2
coff.;2;k con.;1;a1 con.;1;bg2 con.;1;h2 con.;1;hr1 con.;1;k con.;1;sne croc.;1;a1
croc.;1;bg2 croc.;1;bro1 crot-h.;2;c2 crot-h.;2;hr1 crot-h.;2;k cupr.;2;a1
cupr.;2;bg2 cupr.;2;hr1 cupr.;2;k cupr-act.;1;c1 cupr-act.;1;c2 dig.;1;a1
dig.;1;bg2 dig.;1;hr1 dig.;1;sf1 erig.;1;mg1 ferr.;2;bg2 ferr.;2;hr1 ferr.;2;k
fl-ac.;1;c1 fl-ac.;1;c2 form.;2;bro1 form.;2;c1 form.;2;c2 form.;2;hr1 form.;2;kr1
gast.;1;c1 gast.;1;c2 gels.;3;hr1 gels.;3;k germ-met.;1;srj5 glon.;3;bg2
glon.;3;bro1 glon.;3;c1 glon.;3;c2 glon.;3;hr1 glon.;3;k2 glon.;3;kr1 glon.;3;mg1
glon.;3;mtf11 glon.;3;sf1 guare.;1;c1 guare.;1;c2 hell.;1;c1 hell.;1;c2
hell.;1;hr1 hep.;1;bg2 hydr-ac.;2;a1 hydr-ac.;2;bg2 hydr-ac.;2;mg1 hyos.;2;a1
hyos.;2;bg2 hyos.;2;hr1 hyos.;2;k hyos.;2;mrr1 ign.;1;bg2 ign.;1;hr1 iod.;1;hr1
iod.;1;kr1 ip.;3;bg2 ip.;3;hr1 ip.;3;k juni-v.;1;a1 juni-v.;1;c1 juni-v.;1;c2
kali-br.;1;c1 kali-br.;1;c2 kali-br.;1;mrr1 kali-cy.;1;c1 kali-cy.;1;c2 kali-i.;1;bro1
kali-m.;1;bg2 kali-n.;1;mg1 kreos.;1;bg2 lach.;3;bg2 lach.;3;c2 lach.;3;hr1
lach.;3;k lach.;3;mrr1 lach.;3;mtf11 laur.;1;k lim.;1;c1 lim.;1;c2
lith-br.;1;c1 lith-br.;1;c2 lol.;1;a1 lyc.;2;bg2 lyc.;2;k merc.;1;a1 merc.;1;bg2
merc.;1;hr1 merc.;1;k mill.;2;a1 mill.;2;hr1 mill.;2;k13 mill.;2;k2 mill.;2;kr1
morph.;1;a1 nat-m.;1;bg2 nat-m.;1;k nat-n.;1;mg1 nat-ns.;1;c1 nat-ns.;1;c2
nit-ac.;1;bg2 nit-ac.;1;k nux-m.;2;a1 nux-m.;2;bg2 nux-m.;2;c2 nux-m.;2;hr1 nux-m.;2;k
nux-v.;2;a1 nux-v.;2;bg2 nux-v.;2;c2 nux-v.;2;hr1 nux-v.;2;k nux-v.;2;mrr1
oena.;2;c1 oena.;2;c2 oena.;2;hr1 oena.;2;kr1 olnd.;1;bg2 olnd.;1;mg1 olnd.;1;sf1
op.;3;a1 op.;3;bg2 op.;3;c2 op.;3;hr1 op.;3;k op.;3;mrr1 op.;3;tl1 ox-ac.;1;a1
pap-r.;1;mtf11 ph-ac.;1;bg2 phos.;2;bg2 phos.;2;hr1 phos.;2;k phos.;2;mrr1
plb.;1;a1 plb.;1;bg2 plb.;1;hr1 plb.;1;k plb.;1;mrr1 puls.;2;bg2 puls.;2;hr1
puls.;2;k ran-g.;1;c1 ran-g.;1;c2 rhus-t.;1;bg2 rhus-t.;1;k sabad.;1;bg2
samb.;1;bg2 sang.;1;hr1 sars.;1;bg2 sec.;1;a1 sec.;1;bg2 sec.;1;k sep.;1;bg2 sep.;1;c2
sep.;1;hr1 sep.;1;k sil.;2;bg2 sil.;2;k sin-n.;1;c1 sin-n.;1;c2 sin-n.;1;hr1
sin-n.;1;kr1 sin-n.;1;st1 sol-a.;1;c1 sol-a.;1;c2 staph.;1;mrr1 stram.;2;a1
stram.;2;bg2 stram.;2;c2 stram.;2;hr1 stram.;2;k stram.;2;mrr1 stront-c.;1;c1
stront-c.;1;c2 sulph.;1;bg2 sulph.;1;bro1 tab.;1;a1 tab.;1;c1 tab.;1;c2
tab.;1;hr1 tab.;1;kr1 thuj.;1;bg2 verat.;1;a1 verat.;1;bg2 verat.;1;bro1 verat.;1;c1
verat.;1;c2 verat.;1;h1 verat.;1;sf1 verat-v.;2;a1 verat-v.;2;bro1
verat-v.;2;c1 verat-v.;2;c2 verat-v.;2;hr1 verat-v.;2;kr1 verat-v.;2;sf1 viol-o.;1;bg2
vip.;1;a1 vip.;1;bg2 vip.;1;sf1
Jim Gregorich
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Re: Stroke
Thankyou!!!
My dim memory is that a stroke can be caused either by a clot or by a leak
-- is that right do you know, and would that rubric apply to either one? (I
suppose the old guys woulnd't have had a way to differentiate what had
happened, or would they?)
Thanks again!
Shannon
on 11/6/03 10:17 PM, jpgregorich@aol.com at jpgregorich@aol.com wrote:
My dim memory is that a stroke can be caused either by a clot or by a leak
-- is that right do you know, and would that rubric apply to either one? (I
suppose the old guys woulnd't have had a way to differentiate what had
happened, or would they?)
Thanks again!
Shannon
on 11/6/03 10:17 PM, jpgregorich@aol.com at jpgregorich@aol.com wrote:
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Re: Stroke
Dear Shannon,
Is 'what did the clot do to the person' not more
important than the clot itself? As recently discussed,
the stroke as a term would be dead without explaining
what happened. I mean the modality and the
concommittants.
But as one of the old men Clarke, said in the
prescriber- I approach now with the name of disease.
Boenninghausen does by signs and symptoms. In my
method you can zero in on a group of remedies
previously used. I have given some other outstanding
symptoms that differentiate the remedy.
Lilienthal has also done this way. But, as I slowly
learn Boger- boenn's method, I start to see what
immense potential is there to strike the similimum at
the first instance just with signs and symptoms.
Was there a need for those old guys to know what
happened inside ?
Regards
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Is 'what did the clot do to the person' not more
important than the clot itself? As recently discussed,
the stroke as a term would be dead without explaining
what happened. I mean the modality and the
concommittants.
But as one of the old men Clarke, said in the
prescriber- I approach now with the name of disease.
Boenninghausen does by signs and symptoms. In my
method you can zero in on a group of remedies
previously used. I have given some other outstanding
symptoms that differentiate the remedy.
Lilienthal has also done this way. But, as I slowly
learn Boger- boenn's method, I start to see what
immense potential is there to strike the similimum at
the first instance just with signs and symptoms.
Was there a need for those old guys to know what
happened inside ?
Regards
Venkat
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Re: Stroke
Hi Venkat,
I completely agree with you!
I asked this partly because I was annoyed not to remember the rubric
, but also when I know a "specific" rubric I usually look at it for
possibilities, tho I don't use that as the main criterion. (One couldn't
anyway, as there are so many remedies listed, but I mean I understand that
the possible choices are certainly not *limited* to those in the specific
rubric.)
Thanks!
Shannon
on 11/7/03 10:14 AM, J.VENKATA SUBRAMANIAN at apexpreci2000@yahoo.co.in
wrote:
I completely agree with you!
I asked this partly because I was annoyed not to remember the rubric
, but also when I know a "specific" rubric I usually look at it for
possibilities, tho I don't use that as the main criterion. (One couldn't
anyway, as there are so many remedies listed, but I mean I understand that
the possible choices are certainly not *limited* to those in the specific
rubric.)
Thanks!
Shannon
on 11/7/03 10:14 AM, J.VENKATA SUBRAMANIAN at apexpreci2000@yahoo.co.in
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Re: Stroke
Hi all,
Have you actually treated a pt after stroke?
I'm seeing a pt almost 3 years after a cerebral
hemorrhage and she was prescribed her remedy basis
symptoms only. It happens to be her const. rem. as
well. CAUSTICUM.
I wonder though if arnica (head injury) or bothrops
(left side hemorrhage, right side affected) wouldn't
also be indicated (even thought there's slow and
slight improvement-but it would be such without ANY
treatment).
I am lost here. She got caust 15c on 7/16 and caust
30c on 9/16 but all her symptoms remained.
Any ideas???
Anna
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Have you actually treated a pt after stroke?
I'm seeing a pt almost 3 years after a cerebral
hemorrhage and she was prescribed her remedy basis
symptoms only. It happens to be her const. rem. as
well. CAUSTICUM.
I wonder though if arnica (head injury) or bothrops
(left side hemorrhage, right side affected) wouldn't
also be indicated (even thought there's slow and
slight improvement-but it would be such without ANY
treatment).
I am lost here. She got caust 15c on 7/16 and caust
30c on 9/16 but all her symptoms remained.
Any ideas???
Anna
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Re: Stroke
Hi Anna,
Did you give only one dose of caust 15 and one of caust 30, or did you
repeat during that time? Have you tried repeated water doses, or LMs, maybe
that would be deeper? (I have no experience with this, just my thought...)
Shannon
on 11/7/03 10:52 AM, Witold Tomasik at anna_tomasik@yahoo.com wrote:
Did you give only one dose of caust 15 and one of caust 30, or did you
repeat during that time? Have you tried repeated water doses, or LMs, maybe
that would be deeper? (I have no experience with this, just my thought...)
Shannon
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Re: Stroke
Hello Shannon
Thanks for replying -esp that I'm really at a loss
here.
Yes, it was just one dose each, no repeating.
Causticum looked quite well, showed up in all main
rubrics - AND it acts: she has short-lived fevers,
mists before the eyes, even twice week-long itchy
rash.
It all disappears but the symptoms stay.
I also do not have much experience with water doses
(only twice with arnica-acutes, they are SO different)
or Q-potencies but maybe this is a way - not
additional remedies-as caust is ok just I wish it did
its work.
Anna
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Thanks for replying -esp that I'm really at a loss
here.
Yes, it was just one dose each, no repeating.
Causticum looked quite well, showed up in all main
rubrics - AND it acts: she has short-lived fevers,
mists before the eyes, even twice week-long itchy
rash.
It all disappears but the symptoms stay.
I also do not have much experience with water doses
(only twice with arnica-acutes, they are SO different)
or Q-potencies but maybe this is a way - not
additional remedies-as caust is ok just I wish it did
its work.
Anna
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