Treat the Patient/Disease

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi all,

This caught my interest from a post to Homeolist. Interested to hear
whether anyone (Andrew, are you on?) wanted to comment?

on 2/20/03 3:08 PM, Chris Gillen at chrisgillen@optusnet.com.au wrote:
This
is interesting in regard to two periodically re-surfacing arguments:
One re the meaning of the term "constitution", which Hahnemann seems
here to be using in the sense of "how the person is, overall, in the
present" (not in the sense of, "the deepest level of genetic functioning,
which they might get to some day once they are "heatlhy", e.g. a la
Eizayaga);
and second, about whether Hahnemann advocated "treat the disease", or
"treat the patient." Here he is (I gather) is saying that selection of the
remedy *for gonorrhea* is dependent upon (the "constitution" and) "the other
ailments attending it." I *think* this would be taken to mean either "treat
the patient" (where "the patient" includes the targeted disease, but also
the broader condition of the patient, including their other "ailments")
and/or, a different definition of "disease", wherein "gonorrhea" is not "the
disease" to be treated, but merely a *part* of the overall disease-state
being treated (which some of us would simply call, "the constitution",
present tense...)?

Does anyone feel inspired to try to convince me that this is consistent with
the idea that Hahnemann aimed to "treat the disease"?

Cheers,
Shannon

[Peter Quenter]

> is interesting in regard to two periodically re-surfacing
arguments:
Hahnemann seems
is consistent with

Do not treat the/by the disease-*Name* !!
treat the Disease !
and to treat the *Disease*, *consider* the symptoms
manifested in the whole person -
the meaning of 'treat the person, not the disease' gets
skewed and misunderstood if not explained otherwise -

nowhere in the Organon or the Chronic Diseases does it say
'treat the person, not the disease' -
Kent says treat the 'Person', not the disease' meaning, for
all I can read, do not treat the disease-*name*, but take
into consideration symptoms of the whole person -
*disease-symptoms* of the whole person -

more below -

is where Hahnemann
in the treatment
penetrate the whole
organs. They yield
this is indicated
cannabis, of
DIFFERENT

hmmm ....
sorry, but no go ....
once again the old translation-issue ....
no mention of 'constitution' in the original !
and neither does it say '... *their* different
constitution...' !

the German version :

" " ....., übrigen Tripper......... Sie weichen entweder
einer Gabe von einem Tropfen frischen Petersilien-Saftes
........ wenn der öftere Harndrang seinen Gebrauch anzeigt,
oder einer kleinen Gabe Hanfkraut-Saftes .....Cantharis....
Copaiva..... je nach **der** verschiedenen
**Beschaffenheit** und den übrigen Beschwerden dabei,
........ " "

( ** emphasis** mine )

no use of the term 'Konstitution' - and the term
'Beschaffenheit', in this context and within Hahnemann's
wordiness, can just as easily be read as referring to the
'Beschaffenheit des'... 'oeftere Harndrang' {the '
*condition* !! (not 'constitution'!) of the frequency of
urging} - that plus the 'other ailments/symptoms...' will
determine which remedy to choose in these
'other-'common'-kinds-of-gonorrhoea' -

Especially, considering Hahnemann's concept of the miasmas
of sycosis and syphilis to be of rather consistent nature
and character, and treatable with only few remedies, it may
be questionable to think he would consider the symptoms of
sycosis and syphilis to manifest much variation dependent on
the idea of 'constitutional' differences ....

My view

best
peter quenter

[Tanya Marquette]

i think that language changes over time and colloquialisms develop and
that this has something to do with this dichotomy that you refer to.
Today we refer dis-ease in the vital force and that relates to looking at
all the symptoms in a person, not just the disease "name"

And constitution can mean several things. One is the limited constitutional
state of the moment. Another is referrence to a core essence which may
include miasmatic taints.

How does this work for you

tanya

[Phosphor]

with the idea that Hahnemann aimed to "treat the >disease"?

yes: the different symptoms manifesting are certainly partly due to the
different constitutions of the patients. but this is by the by: we treat
according to the symptoms which manifest, neither rmore nor less.

there are two different intellectual enterprises at work: one is an
explanation for why different symptoms manifest in response to a similar
disease energy. the other is describing the methodology of finding the
appropriate remedy.

andrew
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