kleptomania

[Joy Lucas]

Dear All,

I am doing some work on the rubric KLEPTOMANIA and am writing up on Bryonia.
Can anyone with extensive homeopathic computer software tell me what else is
under another related rubric - Purchases, makes useless - Lach and Con + ???

With thanks in advance

Joy

[Jan Klüssendorf]

Hi Joy,
Here you go:
Mind, Insanity, Purchases, makes useless :
Con(1), Nux V(2)
Jan

[Gaby Rottler]

Hi Joy,

Sorry, can't add another remedy.

For Kleptomania I'd also include related rubrics like:
Dreams, stealing fruit - Plb
Dreams, stealing a horse - Rumx
Mind, delusions thieves, sees, that he has been accused of robbing -
Kali-br

Best,

Gaby

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[Dr. R. Swift]

Gaby,

Here's from synthesis. Sorry for the extra text, but that's how it
cuts/pastes. The numbers and letters are grade and author. I am sure with a
good eye you can pick out the remedies. Hope this helps.

Russell Swift, DVM
Classical Homeopath
phone 561-391-5615
email drswift@therightremedy.com
www.therightremedy.com

"Allopaths have protocols, Homeopaths have principles."
MIND - KLEPTOMANIA
absin.;1;k ars.;1;k art-v.;2;hr1 art-v.;2;k bell.;3;gl1 bry.;1;k calc.;1;gl1
carb-v.;1;gl1 carc.;1;mlr1 carc.;1;zzh caust.;1;k cic.;1;bro1 cur.;2;k
gal-ac.;1;zr hyos.;1;bro1 kali-br.;1;zr kali-c.;1;k lach.;1;ctc lyc.;1;k
mand.;1;mgm nat-f.;1;stj2 nat-m.;1;gl1 nux-v.;2;k op.;1;gm1 op.;1;tl1
oxyt.;1;bro1 plat.;1;bro1 puls.;3;ckh1 puls.;3;gl1 puls.;3;k1 puls.;3;kl2
sep.;1;k sil.;1;gl1 staph.;1;hr1 staph.;1;k stram.;1;hr1 stram.;1;k
sulph.;2;k1 sulph.;2;st syph.;1;bg tarent.;1;c2 tarent.;1;k thuj.;1;gy

[jpgregorich@aol.com]

In a message dated 11/21/02 7:13:10 AM Mountain Standard Time,
joy.lucas@ntlworld.com writes:
Radar also includes:carneg-g (carnegia gigantea-saguaro cactus (Todd Rowe))
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[jpgregorich@aol.com]

Also consider:

MIND - DELUSIONS - stolen something; she has--lach.
MIND - KLEPTOMANIA - dainties, steals--mag-c, nat-c
MIND - KLEPTOMANIA - money, steals--calc, puls, art-v, cur, nux-v, tarent
DREAMS - STEALING--lac-lup, helodr-cal
DREAMS - STEALING - horse; a - someone is stealing his--aether
MIND - DELUSIONS - voices - hearing - commit crime; voice commands him
to--lach

Hope this helps,

Jim Gregorich

[Feras Hakkak]

Also:

MIND - DELUSIONS - stolen something; she has
Lach.
DREAMS - ROBBING
Hydrog.
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[Rochelle]

Hi Joy,
My rep gives me another Rx!!

Combined Synthesis - Mentals
INSANITY, purchases, makes useless (3)
1 carn-g, 1 con, 2 nux-v

Regards
Rochelle

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[Joy Lucas]

Dear All,

One of my online courses is in comparative materia medica - where one rubric
is selected and some of the remedies are compared - so I thought you might
be interested in this.

The repertories are full of strange and bizarre rubrics. There are rich,
quality sensations that you feel so lucky if a client utters them.; strange
symptoms that are a gift if elicited during case taking. Sometimes you just
wish clients would present with some of these clear cut but obscure states
just to make life easy - but they rarely do - many cases come across
initially as quite ordinary and even after careful and detailed case taking
one can still be left with a certain amount of interpretation, having to
unravel the richness of someone's story in search of a quality that comes
with strange, rare and peculiar symptoms.

Kleptomania could be one of those rubrics. But what is Kleptomania and why
are the remedies that are in this rubric there; what do they have in common;
how do they relate to each other; what are the themes and essences of some
of the remedies that have this rather strange symptom and how might they
present during the case taking?

Let's look at the word itself first - klepht = a Greek belonging to one of
several independent and armed and sometimes brigandish communities, formed
after the Turkish conquest of Greece. From the brigandish, bandit element
(brigand can also mean to bring strength and honour), we get klepto = to
steal. With the addition of mania we have finally = a persistent, neurotic
impulse to steal, especially without economic motive in which the object
stolen is usually believed to have a symbolic significance to the
kleptomaniac. Almost magpie like.

The desire to steal is irresistible and obsessional and the emphasis is on
stealing items that are not rationally needed for personal use or monetary
value - we could perhaps extend this to 'Desires more than s/he needs'; or
'Capricious, knows not what s/he wants'; then there is 'Delusion s/he has
stolen something'; 'Fear of poverty'; 'Contradiction of will'; and 'Makes
useless purchases', to consider in the analysis. Aetiology is not to be
underestimated and could prove to be a confirming factor within the case -
such as jealousy for example. Some clinicians view kleptomania as part of
the obsessive-compulsive spectrum of disorders, reasoning that many
individuals experience the impulse to steal as an unwanted intrusion into
their mental state. Other evidence suggests that kleptomania may be related
to mood disorders such as depression - which in turn will have its own
aetiology.

But the emphasis really is on the need to steal. And, the thing is, you can
steal almost anything. You can steal a kiss, ideas, a look, time,
belongings, confidence, protection, energy, money, liberty, secrets,
identity, and so on.

If we take a closer look at some of the remedies in this rubric it might
shed some light and give us a deeper sense of understanding of these
remedies.

REMEDIES

BRYONIA

Bryonia effects all serous membranes causing great inflammation and fever of
many kinds. The circulation and the blood is disordered. Aggravation from
any movement at all, they have to be still and resting. There is physical
weakness when attempting to move. There are stitching, tearing, bursting
pains. 'Bry is dry' - mucous membranes are dry and they are very thirsty,
discharges are scant, menses are suppressed, joints seem to lack lubrication
- hot, red and swollen, skin rashes recede or do not develop - a definite
with-holding state, one of congestion.

Often affects people who are normally of a robust and determined
constitution, the complaints develop slowly but with great force, they do
not succumb quickly.

The trigger with Bryonia is all to do with clinging, protection and the fear
of being scorned (yet wants to be alone), fear of losing that protection
(and yet so ugly in behaviour as to repel). -
Bryonia is a clinging and climbing vine. The climbing aspect might well
relate to the normal robustness of this remedy - they often do well in life,
reach sociable heights, are always talking of their business (even when
ill). The clinging relates to the amount of protection they really do need,
their fear of being scorned - ailments from being scorned - and as a plant
that needs something to cling to the 'home' is a likely source of
discontent.

Anxiety in the house
Delusion is away from home
Delusion as if in a strange land
Attempts to escape
Desires to go home
Talks of home

For people who fear being scorned and have a need to cling then Bryonia is
unusually repellent in its attitude. They are so irritable and grumpy, to
the point of rage. They want to be left alone (good thing too!), very ugly
behaviour, taciturn. Usually so robust they cannot come to terms with being
ill so they are extremely apprehensive about their condition, and fear for
their future, but the overwhelming emotions are irritability and
complaining.

The need to cling and fear of losing protection comes in the form of:-

Delusion is being injured
Delusion he is pursued
Delusion under the control of strangers
Delusion he is unfortunate
Despair of recovery
Fear of being alone
Fear of being poisoned
Fear of suffering
Ailments from scorn
Aversion to being touched
Feels unfortunate

So, Bryonia steals for self gratification, needing to reward the self at any
cost, they steal your time and drain your energy - a very selfish and needy
remedy.
STAPHYSAGRIA

Once known as an exterminator of vermin Staphysagria has the action of
stupefying. It also has physical, moral and sexual disturbance. Morbidly
sensitive, everything is painfully sensitive, sensation as if being squeezed
between stones - pushed to the limit where there is no thought as to the
consequence of actions - becomes warped and stupefied, numb to the
consequences. The faculties of perception and understanding are deadened but
at the same time shocking, astonishing, stunning. Manipulative with a great
propensity to object to what others may say or do to them but this is
suppressed until again, pushed to that limit.

Staphysagria stands tall and haughty with dignity, reputation and honour at
stake. So in the early stages their emotions are kept tightly controlled.
But if they fall from this grand stance (fear of falling) they become
capricious, appear sweet and romantic, sexually lures, suffers rape or
sexual abuse because of this (?), there is want of self control and then
deep suppression and remorse and finally more lack of control, violence and
serious deep pathology.

Like Bryonia, Staphysagria cannot be scorned and yet they want to throw what
they have away. They play with fire and like to throw things into the fire,
until they cannot maintain the image anymore and a very unstable symptom
picture begins to emerge.

But why does Staphysagria have kleptomania? What is it exactly that
Staphysagria needs to steal?

When you stupefy someone you take away their notions of freedom and this is
what Staphysagria steals - freedom of choice. Staphysagria suffers so much
at their own makeover, their own self image, that they suppress their own
identity to such a degree that they then, can only, explode and crumble
(sensation as if broken in pieces). Temper, bones, teeth, limbs, stomach,
sexual energies - all come to a violent breaking point and then break down.
SEPIA

Sepia gives and works and works and gives more and more until they feel as
though everything they are doing is against their will (undertakes things
opposed to her intentions and contradiction of will), they become completely
worn out doing things for others and never for themselves. They also have
fear of poverty and part of their disharmony is when they feel they want to
have something back for all the hard work endured - so they steal it,
whatever it is that they want - often is it freedom and liberty. The problem
is, they continue to work enduringly hard, they continue to give against
their will (even sexual activity is indulged in against their wishes) and
this exhausts them even more. Pulled in two directions like this - stasis
occurs.

Sepia has dreams of rape - this might be actuality - and this violation is a
form of 'stealing' in reverse - so within the Sepia concept of despair
'stealing' becomes the norm. They cannot tolerate being contradicted, this
is stealing respect; delusion, feels she could injure herself, this is a
stolen self worth; unconscious while kneeling in church, this is stolen
stability; ailments after anger, this is stolen control; averse to family,
this is stolen love. But to counter this they refuse sympathy and
consolation, they are heedless and impetuous, they love and welcome anything
which disturbs the environment such as thunderstorms, suffer from states of
mildness and indifference, have delusions the family will starve - the
balance is never achieved, hence stasis, which has to be the encompassing
keynote of Sepia.
KALIUM BROMATUM

Kali brom has guilt written all over it - they fiddle and fidget with their
hands, the eyes are never still, always averting, suspiciously scanning -
deep sense of guilt, as though they had committed a crime. This might
actually be the case but there is Delusion about to commit a crime; that
money is sewed up in the clothing; that he has been accused of stealing.
Taking their case is more like a police questioning - they answer no to all
questions!!

The Kali brom person is very unstable. It is likely that they have been
brought up to feel this deep sense of guilt - delusion forsaken and deserted
- perhaps they were not wanted as a child, so the love they had to work for
is deemed as being stolen. They develop depression and melancholy, concern
about their health, complain about everything, lose all moral and religious
feeling, are full of remorse and eventually become paranoid - delusion is
the object of god's vengeance, that life is threatened, that they are in
danger from their family (do not underestimate this), that they are
conspired against. They often develop overwhelming sexual activities and
epilepsy - all because love was stolen from them and they want it back.
CALCAREA CARBONICA

I never expected to see Calc carb in this rubric. The oyster in the shell,
cannot exist without a shell, this protection is a must for Calc carb -
protection and security, the stuff of bones and life and the need for a
'home' and all that entails. A fragile and threatening world is out there
waiting for them if this is threatened or stolen from them - delusion small
and weak.

Protection comes in many forms - people, money and possessions, softness,
food - Calcarea needs company, has fear of poverty, loves soft food
(especially eggs) and are often plump (but not always). If these basics are
missing then they will steal to get them. But they are fearful of being
observed and don't want to be found out, (in fact many fears will evolve
over time, all to do with a theme of persecution). So this is how they do
it:-

they complain about offences long past
spend ridiculous amounts of money - delusion wealthy
steal money
talk a lot about money in general
become indifferent about their own recovery so others will attend to them
get irritable
become extremely obstinate
talks all the time of danger - fire, cruelties, murder, rats and snakes -
and how it effects them
become averse to the family
pretend to be sick
become destructive
will let people take them over completely
indulge in sexual excesses
shriek and scream for attention
they bite you

So next time you bite into an oyster, think on.
CARBO VEGETABILIS

This is an antiseptic, disinfectant and deoderent remedy. It is a remedy of
decay and putrefaction, there is no oxygen in the blood, there is stagnation
and collapse, maybe after a long period of serious and weakening illness,
they are weak, sick and exhausted - they appear to be lifeless and this is a
clue as to why this remedy is in the kleptomania rubric. It is a 'must have'
state:-

must have air
must be fanned
must have windows open
must have cold water
must have high living and over indulgence with lots of stimulants, rich food
and wine - this is often the causation of their diseased state.

But there is also 'never been well since a violent attack or shock'. This
can be absolutely anything, but it will be something that renders them
lifeless, something big has been taken from their life, there will be a
great loss somewhere - rape and abuse might be present and this is what
needs disinfecting. It will be an event that does this:-

makes them feel small
become indifferent to the music he used to love
anxious as if committed a crime
anxious with strangers but desires company
they bite (defence mechanism)
delusion as if someone in bed with them
delusion deserted or forsaken
hears footsteps in the dark
delusion people are beside him
fear of evil and that something will happen
shrieking during sleep
very timid and bashful

They are so dejected and unhappy that they can become excessively
affectionate - they just want to 'buy' or steal it back.
ABSINTHIUM

Anyone who knows anything about the history of drinking absinthe will know
the effects it has on the brain - hysterical cerebral irritation, hyperemia,
epileptiform seizures, delirium and hallucinations, sometimes loss of
consciousness, otherwise extremely restless, trembling and twitching,
nervous and no relief found in sleep - cannot sleep, insomnia. The active
compound in Artemisia absinthium is Thujone which causes brain damage. It
occurs naturally in all the artemisias. It is a monoterpene with 10 carbons
and is found in many other fragrant plants especially those which emit an
essential oil. Thujone is related to menthol and can be found in products
such as Vicks Vapour Rub.

There is a theme of two extremes which evolve out of the fact that the
alcoholic effects of Absinthe would be sedative but the Thujone content
would cause the excitation and the hallucinations. So you have stupor AND
violence, unconsciousness AND brain excitation.

The inner organs become paralysed and have sensations of swelling (probably
are), especially the liver, spleen and tongue, the heart thumps and can be
felt and heard all over the body.

Two of the most notable symptoms are always falling down (which can be taken
to mean both physical and emotional) and a compete loss of memory. Perhaps
that is what the absinthe drinkers wanted - to forget, to numb the brain and
memory of their fall from grace, from a higher status. They fall so far as
to end as if in a dream, where he has awful visions and feels persecuted,
pursued by enemies and fears being murdered. In return they become
dangerously violent themselves. It all gets so bad that death is desired.

The best part is the dreamy state, the initial exhilaration and then the
loss of memory - who would want to remember all that anyway. And like any
addictive habit, it has to be paid for somehow - by stealing.
I have always thought that comparative materia medica is a valuable learning
method - perhaps someone would like to add to this or make suggestions for
other unusual rubrics to compare.

Thanks for reading.

Best wishes, Joy Lucas
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