I have this patient and her son who has eczema. Everytime I speak to her she
has taken that poor child round to yet another complementary practitioner!!
This time is was a naturapath who does kinesiology!! Now I am sure that at
college we were told a Rx for the patient who keeps going from one to the
other but can't think what it was - Puls maybe? Any other suggestions? I
gave her Sepia and her energy went up, then down and now I think it is up
again. This was the first time I had managed to get her in for a
consultation rather than her son.
Re her son I have given him Puls which has changed the eczema in some way
( the eczema is more like a measles rash on his neck and face) but last time
I gave him Psor 30 - and thank goodness I warned her that it would probably
have to get worse to get better!! So it is worse at the moment and I am
seeing him next week again. Since then he has cut out milk and is now
cutting out wheat because the latest therapist she dragged him to said so.
The child is also on a rotation diet - I think this means rice one day etc.
Is there any advantage of going up in potency on the Psorinum or repeating
the 30 to try to get the eczema up and out?? Psorinum is not a remedy I have
had much experience of. I am pleased to note that naturally the asthma is
better now she has stopped using the zinc wraps (suppression!!). She has
given him an anti histamine today but I do wonder if it for herself or the
child!!! (Big sigh of exasperation from me!!)
Any comments welcome!!
Regards
Rochelle
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Fickle?
Re: Fickle?
Dear Rochelle,
I would settle for Changeable (fickle) or Capricious - a large number of
remedies.
What is more contentious is giving 30c for skin conditions especially if
they might aggravate.
Presumably you gave the Mother Sepia because it fitted the whole case and
likewise the Pulsatilla and the Psorinum to the child (how the same person
can be both remedies is a mystery to me
).
You ask us questions without presenting the whole case and thus it becomes
problematic to offer you the best advice, but I would certainly advise
against high potencies with skin conditions.
And it is exasperating to have a lot of clients like this, although you do
have a choice NOT to see them. If you do agree to treat them then patience
is essential and the correct remedy will probably sort out the so called
fickleness.
Good luck, Joy
I would settle for Changeable (fickle) or Capricious - a large number of
remedies.
What is more contentious is giving 30c for skin conditions especially if
they might aggravate.
Presumably you gave the Mother Sepia because it fitted the whole case and
likewise the Pulsatilla and the Psorinum to the child (how the same person
can be both remedies is a mystery to me
).You ask us questions without presenting the whole case and thus it becomes
problematic to offer you the best advice, but I would certainly advise
against high potencies with skin conditions.
And it is exasperating to have a lot of clients like this, although you do
have a choice NOT to see them. If you do agree to treat them then patience
is essential and the correct remedy will probably sort out the so called
fickleness.
Good luck, Joy
Re: Fickle?
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appeared like tha
I actually do have Psorinum in a 6C potency but have to admit I never
checked this at the time. Obviously 30 felt right to me and I only gave one
dose. I was looking at it as a miasmic remedy. This was a difficlut case to
begin with because Mother had self prescribed for the child and mucked the
case up before she came to see me. In fact the first prescription was none
and wait because I wanted to see if the sulphur she had given him had
anymore to do! Just before the follow up appointment she phoned to tell me
she was taking him to a chinese herbalist!!! At this point I said to her
she can't do more than one thing at a time and said that I would wait until
she was ready to do just homeopathy with me and no self prescribing!! Before
she shoved the Sulphur 30 down him for a couple of days and then Ars because
he had a racking cough he had been given Alum from a NHS homeopath. She had
also seen another homeopath a couple of years ago and says he was treated
for when it started at 3 months (after vaccination) and he had been given
Silica and graphites amongst other things. Oh yes I forgot that after the
chinese herbalist she went to Alder Hey and got the zinc wraps!!!
Anyhow eventually she brought this lovely patient boy back to me. I
presribed the Puls 30 on the clinginess and on reading various MM I found a
measles like rash which I thought was like the one on his face and neck, a
flat red itchy rash. He also prefers heat to cold to stop the itching. When
he came back there was some improvement with the asthma (lobelia MT was
given to use instead of ventalin and worked well) and he was better in
himself although the rash had got much drier. he looked dirty ( although he
wasn't) and untidy and I thought of Psorinum - looked it up and it seemed a
good match. Mum said that there was a smell around him. I gave one dose.
Yes
that you get the patients that you deserve!!!!!
Regards
Rochelle
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appeared like tha
I actually do have Psorinum in a 6C potency but have to admit I never
checked this at the time. Obviously 30 felt right to me and I only gave one
dose. I was looking at it as a miasmic remedy. This was a difficlut case to
begin with because Mother had self prescribed for the child and mucked the
case up before she came to see me. In fact the first prescription was none
and wait because I wanted to see if the sulphur she had given him had
anymore to do! Just before the follow up appointment she phoned to tell me
she was taking him to a chinese herbalist!!! At this point I said to her
she can't do more than one thing at a time and said that I would wait until
she was ready to do just homeopathy with me and no self prescribing!! Before
she shoved the Sulphur 30 down him for a couple of days and then Ars because
he had a racking cough he had been given Alum from a NHS homeopath. She had
also seen another homeopath a couple of years ago and says he was treated
for when it started at 3 months (after vaccination) and he had been given
Silica and graphites amongst other things. Oh yes I forgot that after the
chinese herbalist she went to Alder Hey and got the zinc wraps!!!
Anyhow eventually she brought this lovely patient boy back to me. I
presribed the Puls 30 on the clinginess and on reading various MM I found a
measles like rash which I thought was like the one on his face and neck, a
flat red itchy rash. He also prefers heat to cold to stop the itching. When
he came back there was some improvement with the asthma (lobelia MT was
given to use instead of ventalin and worked well) and he was better in
himself although the rash had got much drier. he looked dirty ( although he
wasn't) and untidy and I thought of Psorinum - looked it up and it seemed a
good match. Mum said that there was a smell around him. I gave one dose.
Yes
that you get the patients that you deserve!!!!!
Regards
Rochelle
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Re: Fickle?
If I understand right you gave Psor. instead of Puls. because it
seemed now to better match the s.s / and not, as some do with nosodes,
as an anti-miasmatic intermittant ( for removing blocs, speeding up or
sth. ) with the previous rem. planned to return to. So Psor. is now
the chosen tool you are working with. Basic rule of course, don't give
anything as long as it apparently does work. Strictly speaking, acc.
to the Org. one should never repeat an identical dose, though many do,
and some report with success; but rather alter / go up, not
necessarily always
by large steps. As low as possible, as high as necessary, and
necessary means in order to gain progress. Sounds pedantic, but I have
even read in journal cases e.g. a she-dog got Lyc, I think C 200 and
then C 1000 and the author reported that "probably she had repeated
the Lyc too early", since she pushed the beast through very severe
prov.
reactions, but on paper the intervall looked all right, but no, I
thought, "who ever taught you there is a law you have to jump to a
C 1000 next ?"!, it was simply far too high, but she didn't even
realize that when preparing the case for publication. And "child
owners" may be even more sensitive ...
Of course when she is "collecting" treatments, you will have
difficulties to find out what altered what in the patient. Isn't there
a possibility to just do a reliable allergy test to find out what to
avoid at the moment ( and perhaps repeat after some intervall if
condition has improved / or worsened / to update the list ), and
otherwise not to alter a lot of things and start and drop diets based
on theories ?
Reg. "wandering mom": perhaps she has the feeling you "don't do
enough" for her child. Hahnemannian trick: Frequent consultation,
twice a week was his standart ( documented in his patient journals ) (
perhaps telephone will do similarly well at times ), adjusted
treatment whenever necessary and gave placebos in the meantime, very
frequently, about as often as
verum.
Rem. finding : describing the skin condition as precisely as possible,
and of course peculiars, perhaps you can get the child talking and
describing some "as if"s, how it feels like.
Now of course children often act out stuff of their family, it has
been rightly said that the best thing to do for an ailing child often
is to treat the parents (
and other important people ), but apparently you are already on a
right track there. Just last week I read a remark from one
homoeo-school-head that homp.s ought to read a couple of good psychol.
books, esp. on family dynamics, not just popular "how-to" stuff, but
most solid with psychoanl. foundation and a lot of practical
experience worked into it as well, and I think he is right.
If you get the mother into personal cons. again, you could try to coax
her into telling more about herself, own health history, present
family situation, past family histories etc., carefully step by step,
depending on reaction, some experienced people know all the tricks how
to do that, and it can occasionally open real flood-gates. And observe
how they are interacting, body language, looks, eyes, voice etc. In a
quiet moment you could try acting both of them in turn. I am
not advocating any new fad of "arts based prescribing", but you get a
better feeling for whom you are dealing with.
Reg.supression: you are of course right, excema and suppr. and then
the likes of asthma are textbook illustrations, psora as described by
S.H..Asking for past ailments, previous skin trouble, how that was
dealt with ( and for the mother as well, in chron. miasm ), could give
you a more complete picture of what is in store, what you will have to
deal
with.
Managing mom ( from your description and sound of relief, obviously
the most difficult part ): if you can make her see things a bit with
your eyes, make her understand what sort of detail you need to know,
and of course if you can improve her own state, she may come around so
you can finally work more in some sort of partnership. Easily said, I
admit.
Good
luck,
Panthera
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minutus@y..., "rochelle" wrote:
her she
practitioner!!
that at
to the
suggestions? I
is up
some way
last time
probably
I am
now
said so.
day etc.
repeating
remedy I have
asthma is
has
or the
seemed now to better match the s.s / and not, as some do with nosodes,
as an anti-miasmatic intermittant ( for removing blocs, speeding up or
sth. ) with the previous rem. planned to return to. So Psor. is now
the chosen tool you are working with. Basic rule of course, don't give
anything as long as it apparently does work. Strictly speaking, acc.
to the Org. one should never repeat an identical dose, though many do,
and some report with success; but rather alter / go up, not
necessarily always
by large steps. As low as possible, as high as necessary, and
necessary means in order to gain progress. Sounds pedantic, but I have
even read in journal cases e.g. a she-dog got Lyc, I think C 200 and
then C 1000 and the author reported that "probably she had repeated
the Lyc too early", since she pushed the beast through very severe
prov.
reactions, but on paper the intervall looked all right, but no, I
thought, "who ever taught you there is a law you have to jump to a
C 1000 next ?"!, it was simply far too high, but she didn't even
realize that when preparing the case for publication. And "child
owners" may be even more sensitive ...
Of course when she is "collecting" treatments, you will have
difficulties to find out what altered what in the patient. Isn't there
a possibility to just do a reliable allergy test to find out what to
avoid at the moment ( and perhaps repeat after some intervall if
condition has improved / or worsened / to update the list ), and
otherwise not to alter a lot of things and start and drop diets based
on theories ?
Reg. "wandering mom": perhaps she has the feeling you "don't do
enough" for her child. Hahnemannian trick: Frequent consultation,
twice a week was his standart ( documented in his patient journals ) (
perhaps telephone will do similarly well at times ), adjusted
treatment whenever necessary and gave placebos in the meantime, very
frequently, about as often as
verum.
Rem. finding : describing the skin condition as precisely as possible,
and of course peculiars, perhaps you can get the child talking and
describing some "as if"s, how it feels like.
Now of course children often act out stuff of their family, it has
been rightly said that the best thing to do for an ailing child often
is to treat the parents (
and other important people ), but apparently you are already on a
right track there. Just last week I read a remark from one
homoeo-school-head that homp.s ought to read a couple of good psychol.
books, esp. on family dynamics, not just popular "how-to" stuff, but
most solid with psychoanl. foundation and a lot of practical
experience worked into it as well, and I think he is right.
If you get the mother into personal cons. again, you could try to coax
her into telling more about herself, own health history, present
family situation, past family histories etc., carefully step by step,
depending on reaction, some experienced people know all the tricks how
to do that, and it can occasionally open real flood-gates. And observe
how they are interacting, body language, looks, eyes, voice etc. In a
quiet moment you could try acting both of them in turn. I am
not advocating any new fad of "arts based prescribing", but you get a
better feeling for whom you are dealing with.
Reg.supression: you are of course right, excema and suppr. and then
the likes of asthma are textbook illustrations, psora as described by
S.H..Asking for past ailments, previous skin trouble, how that was
dealt with ( and for the mother as well, in chron. miasm ), could give
you a more complete picture of what is in store, what you will have to
deal
with.
Managing mom ( from your description and sound of relief, obviously
the most difficult part ): if you can make her see things a bit with
your eyes, make her understand what sort of detail you need to know,
and of course if you can improve her own state, she may come around so
you can finally work more in some sort of partnership. Easily said, I
admit.
Good
luck,
Panthera
--- In
minutus@y..., "rochelle" wrote:
her she
practitioner!!
that at
to the
suggestions? I
is up
some way
last time
probably
I am
now
said so.
day etc.
repeating
remedy I have
asthma is
has
or the
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elham mohajir
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Re: Fickle?
Psor is a very deep acting medicine and if it has aggravated there is no point in repeating it. Wait and watch would be my suggestion.
best regards
Elham
best regards
Elham
Re: Fickle?
Dear Panthera,
Thanks for your remarks. When I see a patient for the first time I take 2
hours to take the case and therefore am well aware of what the problem is
with Mum. Basically she is thinking of leaving her husband. Hopefully
homeopathic constitutional treatment will cause her to be less anxious about
the child and to sort herself out. I often feel that the children play out
the expectation of the parents. i.e. if mum is conscious of the child's
eczema all the time, constantly asking him then the child will reflect this.
Regards
Rochelle
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Thanks for your remarks. When I see a patient for the first time I take 2
hours to take the case and therefore am well aware of what the problem is
with Mum. Basically she is thinking of leaving her husband. Hopefully
homeopathic constitutional treatment will cause her to be less anxious about
the child and to sort herself out. I often feel that the children play out
the expectation of the parents. i.e. if mum is conscious of the child's
eczema all the time, constantly asking him then the child will reflect this.
Regards
Rochelle
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