Having a bit of a problem with the email so I'm doing it this way..........
Thanks Dale!!! Great info.
Atb,
Leilanae
A few facts..................Thanks Dale
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Re: A few facts..................Thanks Dale
Dear Leanne,
Happy New Year's
I'm sorry I haven't gotten back to you with the enneagrm repertorizations. I got up to four and then decided that I wasn't learning anything from the process of repertorization.
That led to a drastic change in the way I think about homeopathy. I read a bunch of Jungian books on feminism. They were suggested by Ian Watson.
Up to then, the Puritan in me was trying to follow classical homeopathy. So I put a lot of energy into figuring out how to do better repertorizations. Actually I landed on Polarity analysis which is really helpful. So no effort is wasted.
I have been following the courses given by Farokh Master. His repertorization style was really confusing. I followed him through many courses because he does really complex highly pathological cases. He doesn't have the capacity to explain what he's doing because he doesn't know where Puritanical Americans are coming from. They are coming from Even though I'm a big supporter of Boenninghausen.
I read all the books on different non-homeopathic forms of using remedies, and that's really what he's doing. But they never help me to figure out how I could run a practice with such a confusion of methods.
I probably listen to 10 weekends of Ian Watson's description of how you do a complete confusion of different methods and remain sane. Dale and Dr. Roz are already doing this but they're not good at explaining their thought process because by now it's natural to them.
What I got out of repertorizing in the Enneagram up to four is repertorizion is not enough for dealing with the kinds of cases that I get in the kinds of patients that I have. The Enneagram function on its own. Just like Jungian psychological categories, or any other form of psychology.
Watson lays out a number of other different typologies that actually fit homeopathy much better than Jung or the Enneagram. I'm very familiar with the Mappa Mundi and the Chinese system. Jeremy Sherr has a set of lectures where he describes using a variety of different typologies to organize cases. I follow his point of view. Organize the case with what works at the moment. That is Watson's point of view, but he very nicely lays out how different methods can fit into a whole person classical approach.
Blessings.
Ellen Madono
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Happy New Year's
I'm sorry I haven't gotten back to you with the enneagrm repertorizations. I got up to four and then decided that I wasn't learning anything from the process of repertorization.
That led to a drastic change in the way I think about homeopathy. I read a bunch of Jungian books on feminism. They were suggested by Ian Watson.
Up to then, the Puritan in me was trying to follow classical homeopathy. So I put a lot of energy into figuring out how to do better repertorizations. Actually I landed on Polarity analysis which is really helpful. So no effort is wasted.
I have been following the courses given by Farokh Master. His repertorization style was really confusing. I followed him through many courses because he does really complex highly pathological cases. He doesn't have the capacity to explain what he's doing because he doesn't know where Puritanical Americans are coming from. They are coming from Even though I'm a big supporter of Boenninghausen.
I read all the books on different non-homeopathic forms of using remedies, and that's really what he's doing. But they never help me to figure out how I could run a practice with such a confusion of methods.
I probably listen to 10 weekends of Ian Watson's description of how you do a complete confusion of different methods and remain sane. Dale and Dr. Roz are already doing this but they're not good at explaining their thought process because by now it's natural to them.
What I got out of repertorizing in the Enneagram up to four is repertorizion is not enough for dealing with the kinds of cases that I get in the kinds of patients that I have. The Enneagram function on its own. Just like Jungian psychological categories, or any other form of psychology.
Watson lays out a number of other different typologies that actually fit homeopathy much better than Jung or the Enneagram. I'm very familiar with the Mappa Mundi and the Chinese system. Jeremy Sherr has a set of lectures where he describes using a variety of different typologies to organize cases. I follow his point of view. Organize the case with what works at the moment. That is Watson's point of view, but he very nicely lays out how different methods can fit into a whole person classical approach.
Blessings.
Ellen Madono
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Re: A few facts..................Thanks Dale
Gee, I’m flattered but don’t consider myself in the same league as Dr. Roz.
Ellen, I don’t think anyone has ever asked me to explain my thought processes. I’m not sure I could, because a lot of it is intuitive. I began my studies with Herscu, whose approach is to use cycles and segments. Great for studying remedies I found, but cumbersome to use in analyzing cases, at least for me. Sankaran’s method never appealed, either, mainly because my New England patients don’t readily slip into stream-of-consciousness and trying to lead them there would meet a lot of resistance.
I haven’t studied all that many systems of repertorizing and analyzing — it seems confusing to me. What has always been difficult is seeing the forest for the trees, i.e., figuring out what rubrics are truly representative of a case and which are superfluous. That means focusing on what needs to be healed, something that’s been drilled into me recently by an influx of “failed Lyme” cases referred to me by a local clinic. I call them “failed Lyme” because Lyme has been diagnosed — and treated — but that’s not what’s going on with these patients.
I’ve been paying close attention to my kinesthetic response to different patients. One of Herscu’s students (himself a sports doc) commented that when Paul was about to prescribe Ignatia, he moved his foot a certain way. I asked Paul about this during a recent clinical workshop; his reply was that patients needing Ignatia made him cautious about what he said, as if he feared they’d rebuke or correct him. I get that. I’ve had that same reaction to some; I’ve also had a fingernails-on-chalkboard reaction to an angry, hysterical Ignatia patient. When I see someone needing Carcinosin, on the other hand, my inner feeling is how hard it must be to be in their skin — my heart really goes out to them.
Don’t know if any of this is helpful to you with your own process, but it’s what I’m doing now. The work is always evolving!
Peace,
Dale
Ellen, I don’t think anyone has ever asked me to explain my thought processes. I’m not sure I could, because a lot of it is intuitive. I began my studies with Herscu, whose approach is to use cycles and segments. Great for studying remedies I found, but cumbersome to use in analyzing cases, at least for me. Sankaran’s method never appealed, either, mainly because my New England patients don’t readily slip into stream-of-consciousness and trying to lead them there would meet a lot of resistance.
I haven’t studied all that many systems of repertorizing and analyzing — it seems confusing to me. What has always been difficult is seeing the forest for the trees, i.e., figuring out what rubrics are truly representative of a case and which are superfluous. That means focusing on what needs to be healed, something that’s been drilled into me recently by an influx of “failed Lyme” cases referred to me by a local clinic. I call them “failed Lyme” because Lyme has been diagnosed — and treated — but that’s not what’s going on with these patients.
I’ve been paying close attention to my kinesthetic response to different patients. One of Herscu’s students (himself a sports doc) commented that when Paul was about to prescribe Ignatia, he moved his foot a certain way. I asked Paul about this during a recent clinical workshop; his reply was that patients needing Ignatia made him cautious about what he said, as if he feared they’d rebuke or correct him. I get that. I’ve had that same reaction to some; I’ve also had a fingernails-on-chalkboard reaction to an angry, hysterical Ignatia patient. When I see someone needing Carcinosin, on the other hand, my inner feeling is how hard it must be to be in their skin — my heart really goes out to them.
Don’t know if any of this is helpful to you with your own process, but it’s what I’m doing now. The work is always evolving!
Peace,
Dale
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Re: A few facts..................Thanks Dale
Hey, I am flattered to be with you....I still do not understand what is the question or the problem.
I have repeatedly written that I do not use a system/method/protocol/whatever you call it. I simply follow the patient. That is all there is, nothing more, nothing less.
Certainly I use conventional western diagnosis, coupled with TCM diagnosis, energetic diagnosis (the good old "osteopathic listening" but also at times feeling the chakras and the auras, and more) so that I get a multi-dimensional picture of the patient, not one that is limited to one single way of looking and understanding. I agree that this has become an instinctive approach and all "techniques" are now blended in what I do and how I do it, not only in the clinic but in life...and it all sums up to the Mantra that you can find at the beginning of each of my books: "Simplify, Demystify, Explain"...I could maybe also add "Expand" to that; for example, you know that I am a fan of ODD and detoxification before deep treatment (when needed); so I have recently expanded that to my lifestyle, cutting out the crap from my life, ditching people and organisations that I feel are toxic to me, trying to give no value to negative influences, approaches, relations, events, whatever...not easy after a lifetime of trying to please everybody and being as perfect as possible in the eyes of everybody...for those who watch cartoons: Aguna matata!
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
I have repeatedly written that I do not use a system/method/protocol/whatever you call it. I simply follow the patient. That is all there is, nothing more, nothing less.
Certainly I use conventional western diagnosis, coupled with TCM diagnosis, energetic diagnosis (the good old "osteopathic listening" but also at times feeling the chakras and the auras, and more) so that I get a multi-dimensional picture of the patient, not one that is limited to one single way of looking and understanding. I agree that this has become an instinctive approach and all "techniques" are now blended in what I do and how I do it, not only in the clinic but in life...and it all sums up to the Mantra that you can find at the beginning of each of my books: "Simplify, Demystify, Explain"...I could maybe also add "Expand" to that; for example, you know that I am a fan of ODD and detoxification before deep treatment (when needed); so I have recently expanded that to my lifestyle, cutting out the crap from my life, ditching people and organisations that I feel are toxic to me, trying to give no value to negative influences, approaches, relations, events, whatever...not easy after a lifetime of trying to please everybody and being as perfect as possible in the eyes of everybody...for those who watch cartoons: Aguna matata!
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
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Re: A few facts..................Thanks Dale
Dear Dr. Roz,
I love that you have the freedom to use everything that you know. Certainly, it's a self-endowed freedom. Not having a system is really a system. You work with what presents itself at the moment and don't worry about what you didn't see the last time. There's a healer's philosophy to that. You trust yourself and trust your ability to choose your tools.
Drainage remedies for your relationships. Ha ha. Knowing what's toxic is most of the battle. Again you are using yourself endowed freedom. Yes, that's totally healthy.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono
I love that you have the freedom to use everything that you know. Certainly, it's a self-endowed freedom. Not having a system is really a system. You work with what presents itself at the moment and don't worry about what you didn't see the last time. There's a healer's philosophy to that. You trust yourself and trust your ability to choose your tools.
Drainage remedies for your relationships. Ha ha. Knowing what's toxic is most of the battle. Again you are using yourself endowed freedom. Yes, that's totally healthy.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono
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Re: A few facts..................Thanks Dale
Indeed, freedom is fantastic, exhilarating....and frightening at the same time...
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
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Re: A few facts..................Thanks Dale
Hi Dale,
Yes, I never asked you. But it's in the back of my mind always. I consider you to be a little bit closer to me than Dr. Roz. Very far ahead but closer.
Being able to make that mental note that you have a certain reaction to certain people is essential. If you don't believe that your intuitive reactions are meaningful, you won't remember. So it's a certain trust in yourself.
I personally am a bit emotionally close down. I do a lot of emotional work but I try to keep it all undercover. What I feel doesn't seem important in the real world. I have been working on learning the Bach flower essences. Just as you do with homeopathic remedies, I find myself constantly identifying emotional expressions around me with certain flower essences. That's very good for bringing my emotional reactions to people to the forefront.
I have studied all of Dr. Herscu's letters. Actually, I follow Jeremy Sherr better. That is, organized in the way that seems best at the moment. So I rarely organize into total cycles and segments.
The really big issue for me in my own practice is using all of my natural skills. Dr. Roz is all out there being himself in public. I really couldn't follow that act. What I try to do is get my multiple skills organized so that I can quickly and easily switch horses, so to speak.
I have started teaching Polarity Analysis in Japanese on the web, so it seems important to me to lay out the ground. Nobody starts out where Dr. Roz is now. Beginners need a map. Even if they're going to throw it away later, they need to map to even take the first steps. So I'm working on that.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono
Yes, I never asked you. But it's in the back of my mind always. I consider you to be a little bit closer to me than Dr. Roz. Very far ahead but closer.
Being able to make that mental note that you have a certain reaction to certain people is essential. If you don't believe that your intuitive reactions are meaningful, you won't remember. So it's a certain trust in yourself.
I personally am a bit emotionally close down. I do a lot of emotional work but I try to keep it all undercover. What I feel doesn't seem important in the real world. I have been working on learning the Bach flower essences. Just as you do with homeopathic remedies, I find myself constantly identifying emotional expressions around me with certain flower essences. That's very good for bringing my emotional reactions to people to the forefront.
I have studied all of Dr. Herscu's letters. Actually, I follow Jeremy Sherr better. That is, organized in the way that seems best at the moment. So I rarely organize into total cycles and segments.
The really big issue for me in my own practice is using all of my natural skills. Dr. Roz is all out there being himself in public. I really couldn't follow that act. What I try to do is get my multiple skills organized so that I can quickly and easily switch horses, so to speak.
I have started teaching Polarity Analysis in Japanese on the web, so it seems important to me to lay out the ground. Nobody starts out where Dr. Roz is now. Beginners need a map. Even if they're going to throw it away later, they need to map to even take the first steps. So I'm working on that.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono
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Re: A few facts..................Thanks Dale
Dr. Roz,
I find that when I throw out the chaff, the good stuff rises to the top.
I have to do that now, and I need some of your courage. Yes, the terror of freedom.
Blessings,
Ellen
I find that when I throw out the chaff, the good stuff rises to the top.
I have to do that now, and I need some of your courage. Yes, the terror of freedom.
Blessings,
Ellen