Radionics machines

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Colleagues
When I was at college I became interested in Radionics machines and sought the advice of Sheilagh Creasy.
She warned me off them and said she had observed that a number of homeopaths using such machines develop cancers.
Is there any information around to verify her point of view please?
Soroush

[Tanya Marquette]

Never heard about this but sure would be interested to know myself.

Find it interesting that people who are often very health conscious in all areas

would not be concerned about this and put out that information
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[Allen Coniglio]

First of all, the information given is very vague. A "number of homeopaths" could be anything from 1 homeopath to many more so we do not know the facts. I have never heard of any such thing but I do know that energy medicine in all tst forms, including homeopathy, is under attack on many fronts. Most notably, when one searches for the answer on the internet under, "does radionics cause cancer", the majority of what comes up is nonsense from the so called "skeptics" industry but there is nothing on a possible cancer link to radionics. It is safe to say that anything from the "skeptics" can be ignored as they are, in the name of science, completely anti-science. I knew some of them when I was in college and I can truly say that they were among the worst human beings I have ever known. My professor was one of them, the founder of the group in fact, and he was an associate of the sleight of hand artist, James Randi, and the self appointed "quackbuster", Stephen Barrett, among others. All of these guys were receiving so called "grants" from the anti-truth industry (Big Pharma) to denounce all forms of alternative healing including homeopathy. Their MO is to denounce anything and everything that is not Big Pharma without ever bothering to study it. If they do study it because of public pressure, they will take a bunch of people with headaches or stomach problems and then give them all the same remedy based on what is printed on the front of a bottle of pills stating what they are used for. That type of information was required by the FDA in the US so, in order to prevent further harassment, the homeopathic remedy making companies went along just to be able to sell their products without more problems. Naturally, their poorly designed "tests" always failed and so in their twisted minds homeopathy was declared a failure and their "results" ware and are presented to corrupt and ignorant Congress people to influence lawmaking and to steal the rights and freedoms of the people to choose for themselves.
Whenever anyone is brought up on charges of practicing medicine without a license or of using "substandard" methodologies you can be sure that these dirtballs and/or their influences are involved. Thus, you will find in their writings numerous references to holistic practitioners of some sort who have been busted by the government and they offer this as proof that they are doing the right thing and "protecting" the public. These are demons who have enriched themselves at the expense of the people's right to choose their own medicine. This is the new world order which has been heralded by various American presidents and international "leaders" and this is what is planned for homeopathy, homeopaths, and alternative therapists of every kind.
I would like to ask Sheilagh Creasy where she got her information. While it may or may not be true, it is the kind of thing that is all too easy to say and all too easy to repeat, especially having come from a supposedly credible source. I do not know if radionics has any value but I would not want to be one who would make it any more difficult to practice than it already is as it may be just as valuable as homeopathy or other "alternative" methodologies. If there is truth to a cancer link I would be very interested in having sure and final proof of it.
In any case,

[Margaret Barco]

Bravo Allen !!
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From: "Allen Coniglio allen73call@gmail.com [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Radionics machines
First of all, the information given is very vague. A "number of homeopaths" could be anything from 1 homeopath to many more so we do not know the facts. I have never heard of any such thing but I do know that energy medicine in all tst forms, including homeopathy, is under attack on many fronts. Most notably, when one searches for the answer on the internet under, "does radionics cause cancer", the majority of what comes up is nonsense from the so called "skeptics" industry but there is nothing on a possible cancer link to radionics. It is safe to say that anything from the "skeptics" can be ignored as they are, in the name of science, completely anti-science. I knew some of them when I was in college and I can truly say that they were among the worst human beings I have ever known. My professor was one of them, the founder of the group in fact, and he was an associate of the sleight of hand artist, James Randi, and the self appointed "quackbuster", Stephen Barrett, among others. All of these guys were receiving so called "grants" from the anti-truth industry (Big Pharma) to denounce all forms of alternative healing including homeopathy. Their MO is to denounce anything and everything that is not Big Pharma without ever bothering to study it. If they do study it because of public pressure, they will take a bunch of people with headaches or stomach problems and then give them all the same remedy based on what is printed on the front of a bottle of pills stating what they are used for. That type of information was required by the FDA in the US so, in order to prevent further harassment, the homeopathic remedy making companies went along just to be able to sell their products without more problems. Naturally, their poorly designed "tests" always failed and so in their twisted minds homeopathy was declared a failure and their "results" ware and are presented to corrupt and ignorant Congress people to influence lawmaking and to steal the rights and freedoms of the people to choose for themselves.
Whenever anyone is brought up on charges of practicing medicine without a license or of using "substandard" methodologies you can be sure that these dirtballs and/or their influences are involved. Thus, you will find in their writings numerous references to holistic practitioners of some sort who have been busted by the government and they offer this as proof that they are doing the right thing and "protecting" the public. These are demons who have enriched themselves at the expense of the people's right to choose their own medicine. This is the new world order which has been heralded by various American presidents and international "leaders" and this is what is planned for homeopathy, homeopaths, and alternative therapists of every kind.
I would like to ask Sheilagh Creasy where she got her information. While it may or may not be true, it is the kind of thing that is all too easy to say and all too easy to repeat, especially having come from a supposedly credible source. I do not know if radionics has any value but I would not want to be one who would make it any more difficult to practice than it already is as it may be just as valuable as homeopathy or other "alternative" methodologies. If there is truth to a cancer link I would be very interested in having sure and final proof of it.
In any case,

[Maria Bohle]

Lets be honest here.

Cancer is big business. If someone is diagnosed with cancer the allopathic medical profession and pharmaceutical interests have a great big straw into all of their finances and assests.

Claiming to cure cancer is going to be a great big red flag to that profession. Especially if what we are doing works!

The public is terrified of cancer as they cannot draw a link between total suppression of some of their symptoms and the immune system breaking down.

Can radonics cause cancer? Can cell phones cause cancer? Can vaccinations cause cancer? How about allopathic medicines?

Who knows, but I am darn sure no one is going to spend their windfall money on finding out. They just do not care as long as they get the exclusive right to do all the cancer treatments.

Warmly, Maria
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[Tanya Marquette]

Must agree in total with you Allen. The medical industry has been at it since the beginning of the 20c--over 100 yrs ago with organized efforts to kill all competition

and to promote a drug industry. Nothing like a bit of truth to demonstrate the falsity of their positions: Rockefeller, of Rockefeller big oil, was a proponent of
homeopathy. He used it for himself, his family and even his factory workers. However, it was his money that got the early AMA off the ground and the rest is

history as they say.
My understanding the organized Quackbusters began with Big Pharma in the mid-'90's when it was revealed that almost 1/2 of health money was going into
holistic protocols. Even then, that was a huge sum of money not going into their coffers and letting all these people get out of being under their control.
And they continue despite always losing in court cases of any size and their 'experts' being trashed on the witness stands of these cases. Since their personal

money is very limited, according to Bolen, it has been an ongoing process to get them to reveal their money sources and the money streams. But some big

money is funding them as Baretz (I think he is the one), is a defunct practitioner. A few others have been outed online trying to hide behind medical degrees
without any proof of their claims. There has been lots of talk about quackbusters being paid to troll sites but hard to get the dirt on that. Tim Bolen has been tracking them for years and written consistently about them.
As a tactic used by the 1%, we see this week alone how the DNC paid people to trash Sanders online. And we can go back in history to the Flexner report which was designed

specifically for the AMA to gain control of 'certifying' medical schools and, of course, they trashed homeopathic colleges as unfit. The tactic worked along with other bullying/threatening
tactics to force doctors to cease using homeopathy or referring patients to such practitioners. Personally, there is nothing in our kind of political/economic system that does not subscribe to

these tactics to gain control of whatever industry that is up for grabs for profit and power.
t

[Allen Coniglio]

Exactly, and as anything that allopathy and the establishment is involved in, the truth is the first casualty. As you say, Barrett and virtually all of those involved in these things are corrupt, failed practitioners, shysters, and criminals who just happen to have something such as an MD, attorney, professor, or other professional title that Big Pharma can use. And yes, as you have brought up the latest Clinton/DNC e-mail scandal, that corrupt bunch is part and parcel of the same operation. Bernie Sanders had tremendous support among the people (just like homeopathy) but he was targeted and defeated by voter fraud and corruption in which the DNC and the Clinton crime family fully and willingly participated. I urge everyone to check these things out for yourselves. We, as homeopaths and alternative oriented practitioners, are in their crosshairs and are targeted for elimination. We cannot be complacent, we cannot say that someone else can do it, we cannot say that yes, there is corruption but it is my candidate so I will look the other way, we cannot deceive ourselves into believing that evil practices do not matter as long as they are not affecting me personally today. Those who are involved in these things are professional liars, thieves, backstabbers, and murderers. You must be aware of them and do all that you can to spread the word about them so that they can be defeated. YOU MUST DO THE RESEARCH AND WAKE UP!!! Otherwise, we will be the ones who are selected out of the evolution of human society and the dark forces will be the future of this planet.

[Suriya Osman]

My observation is that radionics practitioners may die suddenly prematurely. At least 5 radionics practitioners I know died in their late forties probably of stroke or a heart attack .
I think they absord the patient's energy.

Suriya

Dato' Dr.Suriyakhatun Osman MBBCh, DRM, MFHom

[Varun Gupta]

Mr Soroush, pls don't get interested in it.. As it wasn't said or written by Hahnemann...
I'm just saying it as per your being rigid everytime on this stand.. for Hahnemannian ways only...
Varun
http://hmpathy.com/

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

What is the relationship between the posts below and my qn about Radionics machines PLEASE??

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:13 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Radionics machines
Exactly, and as anything that allopathy and the establishment is involved in, the truth is the first casualty. As you say, Barrett and virtually all of those involved in these things are corrupt, failed practitioners, shysters, and criminals who just happen to have something such as an MD, attorney, professor, or other professional title that Big Pharma can use. And yes, as you have brought up the latest Clinton/DNC e-mail scandal, that corrupt bunch is part and parcel of the same operation. Bernie Sanders had tremendous support among the people (just like homeopathy) but he was targeted and defeated by voter fraud and corruption in which the DNC and the Clinton crime family fully and willingly participated. I urge everyone to check these things out for yourselves. We, as homeopaths and alternative oriented practitioners, are in their crosshairs and are targeted for elimination. We cannot be complacent, we cannot say that someone else can do it, we cannot say that yes, there is corruption but it is my candidate so I will look the other way, we cannot deceive ourselves into believing that evil practices do not matter as long as they are not affecting me personally today. Those who are involved in these things are professional liars, thieves, backstabbers, and murderers. You must be aware of them and do all that you can to spread the word about them so that they can be defeated. YOU MUST DO THE RESEARCH AND WAKE UP!!! Otherwise, we will be the ones who are selected out of the evolution of human society and the dark forces will be the future of this planet.
Must agree in total with you Allen. The medical industry has been at it since the beginning of the 20c--over 100 yrs ago with organized efforts to kill all competition

and to promote a drug industry. Nothing like a bit of truth to demonstrate the falsity of their positions: Rockefeller, of Rockefeller big oil, was a proponent of

homeopathy. He used it for himself, his family and even his factory workers. However, it was his money that got the early AMA off the ground and the rest is

history as they say.
My understanding the organized Quackbusters began with Big Pharma in the mid-'90's when it was revealed that almost 1/2 of health money was going into

holistic protocols. Even then, that was a huge sum of money not going into their coffers and letting all these people get out of being under their control.

And they continue despite always losing in court cases of any size and their 'experts' being trashed on the witness stands of these cases. Since their personal

money is very limited, according to Bolen, it has been an ongoing process to get them to reveal their money sources and the money streams. But some big

money is funding them as Baretz (I think he is the one), is a defunct practitioner. A few others have been outed online trying to hide behind medical degrees

without any proof of their claims. There has been lots of talk about quackbusters being paid to troll sites but hard to get the dirt on that. Tim Bolen has been tracking them for years and written consistently about them.
As a tactic used by the 1%, we see this week alone how the DNC paid people to trash Sanders online. And we can go back in history to the Flexner report which was designed

specifically for the AMA to gain control of 'certifying' medical schools and, of course, they trashed homeopathic colleges as unfit. The tactic worked along with other bullying/threatening

tactics to force doctors to cease using homeopathy or referring patients to such practitioners. Personally, there is nothing in our kind of political/economic system that does not subscribe to

these tactics to gain control of whatever industry that is up for grabs for profit and power.
t