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Pam H
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Dog that Itches terrible

Post by Pam H »

HI all, :)

I don't know if you can help with a dog? If not disregard.... :)
I have a little Male, silky terrier I rescued from Tucson Arizona streets 1 and 1/2 years ago.

He lives in washginton state with me now, hour west of Tacoma. A wet damp climate.
He is 3 years, a happy soul, the happiest little dog that LOVES people!
He itched a little when I got him NOW it is terrible.His scratching at night, I can't even sleep at night.
he has Kertitis(Ulcers in cornea) in his eyes, the eyes get Thick yellow/White Catarrh(mucus) very itchy and red. the eyes can become swollen. Itches so bad can make bleed.

His ears had a bad yeast discharge last year but I have gotten it under control some what with povidone/Betadine .

His ears Itch very badly and he can make sores and bleed Exzema in ears on flaps.
His skin can feel moist but dry, he is a itchy mess now and bites his paws and all over his body! it is so hard to see him soooo Miserable!!!! . Itches body and face on carpet. itches with claws very forcefully!
His stomach is upset, and he throws up very easily. he is on strict diet.
I have changed his diet NO KIBBLE! He has had cooked rabbit. at first he did ok on it but after 6 months on rabbit he is itching even worse!

I just changed him to cook ground pork 2 days ago, hoping he would not be allergic to this. Probiotic and prebiotic for tummy.
I wash him off with plain well water every night to wash allergens off him and dry throughly. He is allergic to all shampoos and fragrances.
1) Remedy's last year tried Silica 30C a few times didn't not see any change

2) rememdy Sulphur 30C at different times and 200c at different times no difference.

3) tried Mer Sol 30C NO difference. tried 200c I saw a difference with less catarrh in eyes. I tried 2x and was told it is only for angry people...... and because he is so Happy this remedy wasn't good for him??

4) first of the this year 2015 tried Sulphur again no change.

5) Kali Bur 30c tried in april no change! waited 10 days tried 200c kali Bur saw little change with eyes. waited 10days 1 more does 200c no change.

6) July heard about Psorinum gave 200C july 16th 2015 in morning, lady told me to give 1 more dose the next day...... it has been 3 weeks and no change. from what I read in repertory to much to soon. I should have never dosed that soon!!

7) 3 days a go put 1 pellet Psorinum 30c in 4oz water and 8drops Vodka and gave him 1/4 teaspoon. No change.
Does anyone have any input on another remedy or how to approach this?

the vets can't help they are at loss just want him on immune suppressants............
Thank you for any input or help of any kind.

Pam :)


Ginny Wilken
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Re: Dog that Itches terrible

Post by Ginny Wilken »

Pam, the first thing I would do is get him on a raw diet, supplemented with a good fish oil. Stop with all the remedies for a while. He will need some good professional attention, most likely, but you need to remove all the maintaining causes. Especially if he is a rescue, you never know what he may be harboring in terms of insult from vaccines, drugs, poor treatment, poor heredity, etc. Go look at the list RawChat@yahoogroups.com , or search for their page on FB.

We have a terrific raw food coop here - I’m up by Sequim - and you can pick up from them in Tacoma or arrange with others to share pickups.

BTW, itching is a great sign he is still quite vigorous and trying hard to push out his disease. No one ever died of skin stuff, but using incorrect remedies, especially repeatedly and in high potencies, can complicate a cure greatly. Another complicating factor is the use of suppressive measures like the Povidone. Nothing in the ears, please, or elsewhere on his body, other than a little lavender in olive oil to clean ears. And try NOT to bathe him; he needs the oils his skin produces.

I can help you find a good homeopath when you are ready, but we need to get him cleaned up first:)

Ask me anything, privately if you like.

ginny - not a practitioner, but good with dogs
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Vicki Satta
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Re: Dog that Itches terrible

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Good morning…. sorry to hear about the itching problem.

I want to confirm that Ginny got me t


Pam H
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Re: Dog that Itches terrible

Post by Pam H »

Hi Ginny, J
Thank you for all the info J
And thank you Vicki for letting me know that Raw worked for you J
You are right about the vaccines he is probely harboring many vaccines after his rescue…….
I tried the raw diet with him for 6 months off and on and worked it in slow and he vomits on raw everytime I have tried it 4 different times and he gets sick. I have done raw where I cook it half way, do it very slow and try to work all the way to raw and he gets sick if the meat, is raw (rabbit,beef,).
His ears were so yeast ridden I needed to get it under control or he was going to go deaf.
He is allergic to any smells and lavender oil is terrible on him, his little eyes swell up and his allergies are 10x worse if I use lavender oil even the smallest amount in a carrier oil. He is also allergic to olive oil too…………
The only oil I can use on him is EMU OIL.
I Never bathe him in any soap, I only do hydro therapy washing to get the allergens off him at night. He is very allergic to the dust outside and when I wash him off with just water he does better at night.
I live in Gig Harbor Area and go to Sequim & Port Townsend sometimes. I have a friend that lives there J
I will email you privately
Thank you again so much for your help.
Pam


Irene de Villiers
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Re: Dog that Itches terrible

Post by Irene de Villiers »

Dear Pam,

I believe this case here is too complex to resolve in this forum, but if you would like me to help, you may write to me off list (furryboots at pobox dot com is my work address).
Some other comments:
Indeed. I'm on the east side of WA, not as drippy.
For some interim relief, as he likely has depleted adrenal glands by now, the fol nutrients can help:
Ascorbic acid to bowel tolerance (use pure ascorbic acid crystals ot avoid nasty excipients)
Pantothenic acid, get 500 mg capsules as they have less exceipients than tablets, and avoid magnesium sterate if possible) , about 150mg a day for a SiIky
And Vit B6 about 3 or 4 mg a day.
Mix the three with something to taste nice and divide te doses up into two or pref three.

These are the nutrients and ratios tha will help the adrenal glands cope better, and may bring relief.
The Ascorbioc acid you could start with 250 mg twice a day.

One cap of Moducare a day also can help as he clearly is Th-2 skewed and needs Th-1 stimulus.
Use Thorne Research brand, humans or "vet" with no flavot added, (they are identical) found on-line NOT the one in HF stores as the latter has awful excipients that cause tummy upset and includes magnesium stearate which actually reverses some of the effect as it damages the very organ the supplemenet is desgned to help - thymus.
(go figure!)
Not a good idea to use, but I can hear your desperation in what you write.
Are you SURE it wasa yeast discharge - was it looked at under a microscope?
Exzema is an allergic response rather than an infection response - the above shoud help a bit in the meantime.
I was going to ask about diet next.
He needs a proper carnivore diet, and no plant toxins (no veg, fruit or herbs or plant proteins or plant fats) or meat surface toxins (raw meat has toxinsfrom bacteria, and it is better to cook the meat. That will have yhe same nutrients as raw meat without the bacterial toxins. THe reaon he is not handlingraw, is tose basterial toxins., They deplete his internal atioxidants and being adrenal exhauisted he has none to deplete, so he responds to the toxins.

Bacteria which make these nasty toxins, get onto the meat at slaughter time, there is no way to avoid it.
If the meat is eaten immediately, as in 20 seconds after slaughter, there is time for bacteria to grow and roduce the toxins on the meat surface. But from then on they do grow, in transit in storage, in the froge etc. This makes raw meat WORSE nutritionally than cooked meat which also destroys the toxins.
....Yes i know it is the fad out there to feed raw, but there is no science behind it, only the false assuption that raw in a house is like raw in the wild. That is far from the truth. It is not the rawness that matters - but the protein quality - and cooked is better. It is not as if meat has enzymes or ANYthing that cooking destroys.
Meat we feed is worse than fresh kill mainly becasue wild prey is full of extremely nutritious blood. Slaughtered meat is bled out before processing. A lot is lost that no amount of "raw feeding" can make up for.

Your little SKye is the perfect example of why NOT to feed raw. Most dogs fed raw are not so adrenal depleted as to get sick in an obvious way from the toxins, they just use up their internal antioxidants (having less to fend of disease) and the owner continues oblivious to the issue they are causing by feeding raw.
Rabbit is very very hard to keep fresh. It just goes off many ties as fast as other meats, not sure why but it does. SO the bacterial toxins will be there in quantity.
A sigle protein source will lack some nutrient over time.
Rabbit is very low in sodium, which is a nutrient used up under stress.....and adrenal depletion (from allergiers or whatever causes the itching) is all about stress.
A Silkye will not hunt pigs and usuaslly the protein sources that work best are prey size.
He will likely have issues wih fish at the moment becasue they can cause histamine production as he has too much of that to cause itching already.
You also need to feed meat that did not itslef eat GMO. In other words organic meat is needed as GMO casues leaky gut which will make his condition deteriorate badly.
What does he think of orgianic unbasted turkey, or other fowl besides chicken? It has more copper and iron than chicken, and etter quality fatty acids.
For dogs best is a combination of rice bran and plain cooked pumpkin. Quarter to half teasp each daily. Stay away from all food with saponins, lignins, cyanoglycocodes, phenolics, etc etc for which carnivores have no liver enzymes.
A small piece of Nori (not other seaweeds, they have lignins) is okay.

Otherwise stay clear of ALL plant products.
Use only carnivore antioxidants:
fish oil
vit C
Vit E
taurine (nontoxic and useful even in high amounts, suggest 500 mg a day)
plain cooked pumpkin has carotene in a safe form (essentil to the carnivore immune system; it is used as is, NOT converted to Vit A for dog immune system esp in gut area, but used directly as carotene)
I would add a little low potency calendula to this, like 10X or 5C (NOT herbal anything.)
They are toxic and will go through his compromised skin anyway.
Homeopathic Calendula is good for healing of skin.
Horrible list of remedies IMO.... Those can not possibly all match him!
Needs a consult to find a true match.
Trust them to sweep everything under the rug :-(
What you need is the opposite - to HELP the immune system, regenerate depleted adrenal function and regenerate TH-1 activity from the thymus .... and baby him through the nutrition needed meanwhile to maintain him while working on healing the gut (whih takes a good three moinths to replace from iside to outside layer, with new healty tissue)

Supplement fish oil from SMALL fish (salmon or smaller like anchovy/sardine) up to a full capsule per day(Do not buy liquid fish oil, it will lose antioxidant ability when it hits the air)
ALso 100 IU VIt E daily or 200 IU every 2nd day.

(I know these are high doses, as are the three vitamins, but depeted systems need them)

AVOID anything that comes from a plant other than the two exceptions above.
Carnivores have NO system designed to handle plants, and they become toxins he has NO resources to handle currently, and can make such a depleted dog quite ill/poisoned.
SO no foods with plants added, no herbs (for any reason; stick with homeopathy as thre is no toxic risk), no fruit, no greens, no cereals, no legumes. (maybe a little rice if he needs pure calories as it has no saponins, but better he eats real carnivore food with helpful nutrients.)
Avoid all plant fats, and avoid large fish like tuna, which are more inflamatory from omega-6.
Gut health is an important area (I include it in all my consults as it is a complex area in carnovres. They produce oran supporting short chain fatty acids there anD a host of vitamins that omnivores get from plants - but only if the gut is healthy.)

I would also avoid all drugs, they kill the carnivore gut system among other toxic effects.
Does he have a flea problem? (Hope not)

Find good proteins he tolerates, and swap them now and then (not often).
Does he handle egg well? Dilute and lightly scramble if so. Remember one egg for us is like fifteen or more for a Silkye! So go easy on amount.

Hope this helps.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
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Dale Moss
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Re: Dog that Itches terrible

Post by Dale Moss »

This is a longshot, but have you looked at the remedy Histaminum? For such a highly allergic dog, I'd consider it, especially if he has a bad reaction to the sun.
Peace,
Dale


Irene de Villiers
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Re: Dog that Itches terrible

Post by Irene de Villiers »

As a suppressive idea?
It may be first aid but I believe a matched remedy is needed to restore the immune system, preferably ICT.
Histaminum will not likely help that.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."


Shannon Nelson
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Re: Dog that Itches terrible

Post by Shannon Nelson »

What I had learned as a preeminent "multiple allergies" remedy is Carcinosin. There are other guidelines for choosing it in a human, and I don't know how those would translate to a pup… (Family history, coloration -- I guess the temperament would be something to evaluate, but Carcinosin can cover *such* a wide range of temperaments…)

If he were mine, I might try a single dose of Carcinosin 30, and see whether any response. I

Shannon


Pam H
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Re: Dog that Itches terrible

Post by Pam H »

THANK YOU everyone that has helped with info :)
YOu all helped so much
I will let you know how my little dog is doing and how he gets better :)
Thank you again
Pam


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