BOWEL NOSODES

[Bob Needham]

Dear All

I have seen bowel nosodes work very well in the past. I will be seeing a patient who is on beta-blockers for hypertension and is now experiencing a slight fibrilation. I am considering the Morgan Sulphur nosode, This nosode is also used for hypertension, which leaves me with a concern. Can this Bowel nosode have a similar effect like that of the Gemmo Hawthorne, which when taken with these drugs can exaggerate vessel dilation and increasing blood flow to the heart which is what many beta-blockers are based on?
tks bob

[Dale Moss]

Check which beta-blocker(s) the patient is on. Atenolol can cause bradycardia, then heart block, followed by vascular dementia. Perhaps you can get him off the heart meds -- in the best of all possible worlds.
Peace,
Dale

[Bob Needham]

Hi Dale

I should have mentioned such. Sadly it is Atenolol and the to be patient is a very loyal allo fan ?????. However, we'll see what we can do.

I have not treated someone for this condition while they ween down on their drug intake. Are you aware of a protocol that is relatively safe to use? My initial thoughts are to support the heart with Cardinum along with Dr. Reckeweg's BIO 85 (High BP combo) and then gradually introduce Hawthorne as the 3rd phase.

I've had excellant results using these three with addressing hypertension in others not on meds

thks
Bob

[Dale Moss]

Hi Bob,
I don't know of any protocol useful across the board for weaning someone from BP meds. I should think it would depend a lot on whether the hypertension is physiological (i.e., a compensatory mechanism for, say, failing kidneys) or pathological.
Then one would have to consider what else is going on with the cardiovascular system -- does the Px have angina, coronary artery disease, valvular problems, etc.? If nothing else is going on, a good constitutional remedy should do wonders.
It would be interesting to find out why Atenolol was prescribed and what was going on in the Px's life when he developed hypertension. Also would be good to know if his cardiologist or GP is monitoring him carefully. If he is developing heart rate issues, another beta-blocker, like Diovan, might be a better prescription than Atenolol.
As with cancer, a lot of heart-related problems can be handled with major lifestyle/diet changes.
Peace,
Dale

[Bob Needham]

Good thoughts Dale.
My experience has been when treating a patient who is on allo drugs, it is the material toxicity of the drugs that will override the effectiveness of homeopathic remedy. This situation has been clouded by comments from two Homeopathic Pharmacies, both of who I have the utmost respect. One is quite comfortable in this situation using both Gemmos and Bowel Nosodes while the other expresses a cautionary note with Hawthorne, in that the drugs actions may be exaggerated. I can see where they are coming from with this thinking when using a concentrate or 1X potency, which has put me on the defensive.
To my knowledge the patient works only with a local GP and has only experienced hypertension which points at Atenolol as the causation of fibrillation.
I like your constitutional approach which is often an excellent initial remedy to be used. And yes, it is so important to know what traumas they have experienced. I have seen remarkable healing when using Sequential Therapy in treating these traumas. Change in lifestyles/diet seem to underly most chronic illnesses and are in many cases, so difficult for many to adjust to. I have always found this reluctance to change of lifestyles so remarkable, even in the face of serious consequences.
Your input has help me to focus on initiating a basic homeopathic approach, instead of leaping directly into the middle of the fire fight at the start.
Tks again
Bob

[healthinfo6]

I take Atenolol for HBP plus high pulse rate.
Atenolol aka Tenormin is also used for stage fright, anxiety.
As I've previously posted, Lachesis is a remedy that I've found calms the adrenal glands
and besides cortisol, norepinephrine is the adrenal hormone known to cause the high heart rate and anxiety.
I found Lach reduced the need for Atenolol but Lach does not cover my chronic diseases.
TubK does and I find it also reduces the need for Atenolol to maybe every few days to once a week.
The feeling that I need to take Atenolol is not just a high pulse rate which I don't notice but a feeling of congestion, queasiness in chest.
Once I take it, I find it lasts for a few days at least.
Allopaths have told me that it is not "safe" to skip Atenolol doses as there is some type of negative rebound effect, etc. if not taken daily.
Haven't experienced that, yet.
The need for it is also diet dependent as going out of ketosis, eating too many carbs, eating foods I have allergies to also causes the high pulse rate
I wouldn't say I'm weaning off of Atenolol as I don't know if I will be able to but reducing it and that is dependent on how strongly and how many times I success the TubK LM dose I'm taking. Since I'm halfway through TubK LM18, hopefully it will continue to help for this as I've ordered up to TubK LM25 from Helios.
I will also take Lach again which I left off at LM8 as the next intercurrent when I need to take a break from TubK.
I find 3am is my prime time while 3pm is my most tired worst time which may be Tubercular and I've been using Melatonin sublingual which vastly improves my sleep quality, waking refreshed.
I highly recommend this particular Melatonin as you can adjust the dosing. I find 6 mg usually right, the full dropper 10mg, too much, waking up groggy.
http://www.solgar.com/SolgarProducts/Li ... -10-mg.htm
Susan

[Bob Needham]

Thanks for your input Susan. I would prefer this patient be weaned off their meds completely, but only time will tell. My thoughts are with the Morgan Pure Nosode for the high blood pressure. Lycopodium is one of the associated remedies which also happens to be their Primary Constitutional remedy. As you have mentioned Stage Fright, I have also seen good results with Lycopodium.

Keep Well
bob

[Irene de Villiers]

The classic remedy for stage fright is Gelsemium
...Irene

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[Maria Bohle]

How about arg nit? I have used that one for people who had to be sedated to get on an airplane.

[Bob Needham]

That's good info Irene. In my case the chap was playing country music. I'll certainly keep Gelsinium in mind should it be it be needed by a Classic Rock musician. ;>) ha ha

Bob