SECRET PHYSICS & CHEMISTRY OF HOMEOPATHY

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear John
A substance diluted 1/1000 is very detectable.

We can easily measure parts per million = 1/1000,000 (3C) and even lower dilutions can be detected.
When you say "organic molecules, take more energy to dissociate" I do not think this can be done by adding the substance to water. I am certainly not an expert, but I understand that this type of dissociation can only take place with for example electron bombardment and how long it will last, is another thing!
Without getting into the 'nitty-gritty' of possible mechanisms involved at infinite dilution, the fact that something happens with mineral/ionic solutions when made extremely dilute, might show that a similar thing can happen with organics too and it may have nothing to do with molecular dissociation.
I saw on BBC (I think) many years ago Jacque Beneviste doing an experiment where he had a flask containing a solution (some kind of cardiac poison) sitting on an electronic device - similar to a pair of scales with two pads and a flask of distilled water on the other pad. He had a rat or mouse heart suspended in an apparatus - fed by a liquid to feed it and it was happily beating.
He took a fresh pipette of water from the water flask and added it to the solution feeding the heart and nothing happened.
Then he took a pipette of solution from the 'poison' flask and added it to the solution feeding the heart and the heart immediately stopped.

The heart was replaced.
He then switched on the electronic unit and off. Took a pipette of water from the water flask and added it to the solution feeding the heart and the heart stopped again!
So what happened? What was now in the water? And what is explanation? He certainly gave none!
This was shown on BBC TV I think but I cannot find it.

May God rest his soul.
I would like to thank you for bringing to our attention the main points of the phenomenon of Infinite dilution what ever process is applicable. (This is what I call technology) and also the example of the copper poisoning Spirogyra plants. Fascinating!
There is much to read and learn.

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 25 June 2015 10:06
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] SECRET CHEMISTRY OF HOMEOPATHY EXPOSED
Dear Soroush,
Thanks for the comment, it got me to think (but not as hard as Irene makes me think) and kick loose something I didn't understand by Copeland that maybe I now do
COPELAND: "The authorities agree that the dissociation increases with the dilution from the most concentrated solutions up to a dilution of about one one-thousandth normal. It is safe to assume that dissociation of the simplest drug is not complete under the sixth decimal dilution."
http://www.homeowatch.org/history/copeland.html
1/1000th is a 3X, right? So does that mean that at that point most of the remaining chunks of surviving starting material have been either reduced by hydrolysis, ionized or completely diluted out? 3X is usually the minimal attenuation used therapeutically, is it not?

What I didn't understand is why Copeland doesn't just say, that by the 6X we can expect ALL the starting material of ANY solute to be completely ionized . . but (thanks to Irene) it just dawned on me that not everything ionizes at the same rate, and so this is why it's ambiguously stated. Some materials, such as organic molecules, take more energy to dissociate.
I was studying "enthalpy" to see if it was possible to articulate a link to succussion when I first came across the term "infinite dilution." When I first saw the words "infinite dilution" in an article on enthalpy in standard chemistry I got so intrigued with finding a conventional definition for a process observed by homeopaths that I bolted for that and forgot to pursue the articulation of enthalpy, or more relevant, what enthalpy has to do with infinite dilution.
1. Enthalpy change is the name given to the amount of heat evolved or absorbed in a reaction carried out at constant pressure.

Would enthalpy change then be the point in dilution when solvent temperatures stabilize? We don't know what the dilution scheme is for standard chemistry's tests for infinite dilution. Perhaps Irene could enlighten us on this.
The problem I'm having with this is that, with the exception to the one definition that characterizes it to be like "science fiction," the subject is treated prosaically, when it looks to me like there is no conventional explanation for the provenance of what testing reveals to be a perpetual concentration of the solute in step dilutes.
This prosaic attitude is what sickens and angers me about "science," the arrogant inability to show any wonderment, curiosity, surprise or even recognition of an anomaly or simply the admission of the inexplicable.
What Tolstoy noted in his time I have experienced sometimes daily in the past 16 years of mine when discussing physical and biochemical assays for "homeopathic remedies", actual tests that I was told by homeopaths and skeptics alike didn't exist. Not only do they exist, there are reviews of them and a system for scoring them.
Then, in this past year, I learn that 106 years ago Royal S. Copeland, an accomplished medical doctor who led the nation in crafting the Food Drug and Cosmetic Act, published what I think is an amazing explanation of the chemistry of the "homeopathic remedy" in 1909, naming four assays to confirm it.
Now, do I get any recognition for bringing this to the table? Of course not. Does anyone thank me for it? No, it's not expected, why should they thank me for something they run from and have never show any interest in except to condemn and criticize? So why do I bother presenting it, defending it? Maybe it's because of a perverse nature. Or maybe it's because I expect a little more from people.
According to the Washington Post, homeopathy is one of the two most contentious subjects in the Western world, and I think ossification of the subject as described by Tolstoy is why. Understanding the chemistry of the "homeopathic remedy" is the fulcrum of medicine, and those who refuse to accept that should drop out.
Currently the craft is limited and misguided by the misnomer of its medical materials. It's time to identify them conventionally for what they really are, and the place to start is
The Scientific Reasonableness of Homeopathy by Royal S. Copeland, A.M., M.D. http://goo.gl/q0jvtM
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John Benneth
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